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Post by NorthStar on Jan 31, 2010 20:33:45 GMT -5
Or the Onkyo TX-SR876 that sells right now for only $800, and adds the HQV Reon video processor with separate video adjustments for each individual video inputs, VLSC for all channels, Bridgeable capability, and a few more twists? Where can you get this for $800? Very interested at that price! Am I allowed to tell you where in here? It is quite easy you know if you google it, it is at $800 at some places for a refurb, and brand new at others. Tons of people know that already. I guess you're just behind the curve as far news goes. |
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Post by NorthStar on Jan 31, 2010 21:00:07 GMT -5
"..........150 watts times seven (8-ohm loads at 1% THD) factual measured power.........." That's funnier than most of my humorous posts. 1% THD is considered the beginning of clipping. A more legitimate distortion percentage is 0.1% which is the maximum rate of distortion that is acceptable to quote power specifications. The Onkyo power spec of 150 watts is not with all channels driven as Emo specs are. How strong is that Onkyo amp into 4 ohms, be sure and give us the factual measured power? The Emo amps meet all THX certification levels, they just don't bother to get the label, it saves us money. The 805 was replaced by the 806 which was replaced by the 807. Emotiva does not sell refurbished products and all have a five year warranty. If you don't think the Emo amps are a bargain then why did you say in a previous post: "..........I was thinking that perhaps the Emotiva XPA-3 would do just fine in my situation, while using the internal amps of my Onkyo 876 to power my four surrounds. Or would I be better served by an XPA-2 in combination with an XPA-5?.........." BTW Bob, where did you hear that the XPA-5 got hot? I own the XPA-5 and it never gets more than warm. If you want to know what hot is, crank up your Onkyo receiver driving some 4 ohm speakers like my XPA-5 drives and put your hand on it. Now that is hot! ;D Well, where do I start? Ok, you ask for it: @ hometheatermag.com/compactspeakers/208bwonk/index5.htmlThat's the 805 I was referring before. Just forget about the 806 or 807, I never mentioned them and I won't. Let's stick to what I said, back up by facts only. And besides, I fully agree with the tremendous value of Emotiva amps. If I was not convinced, I will not have recommended them to the few thousand people I did in the past. So, they are indeed a great bargain, but I just want to mention that you can get away with even less money when you look carefully, than the combo you just recommend for $1,200 The Onkyo 805 is three times less money than your option. And the Onkyo 876 is one third less money than your same option. If this is not great value, I don't know what it is. What is also interesting, is that you seem very intelligent, and yet you ask me about facts that you can easily verify yourself! And lastly, about the XPA-5 running hot, where did I read that? Only early this morning in the Emotiva Amplifier's thread. @ emotivalounge.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=amps&action=display&thread=8857But if you will read my other posts, you'll realise that it is not a common incident, and that I also did confirm that. * I really love your avatar, the people here so far are very nice, and I hope to get along with all of them, or if not, with the vast majority. Besides I should, as I love the products and the people behind Emotiva in the major part. Nothing is perfect in this world, and I'm always searching for the best compromises with the less damage, and always with great respect for what people built. And this, is a great quality that Emotiva has already. But I am who I am, and I say things the way I see them, clear and frank. Nobody is equal to another person. We are all very unique individuals, and that's what makes life interesting, and worth living. We all strike to a better world with the best value in life on all aspects. And these values represent some unique qualities for each one of us. I hope we can be great friends. Bob |
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Post by bootman on Jan 31, 2010 21:01:47 GMT -5
Yes, the Onkyo does have the latest video bells and whistles but audio wise they are not very good in my experience.
My LMC/LPA combo killed the Onkyo receiver it replaced a few years ago.
Again, just my experience.
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Post by NorthStar on Jan 31, 2010 21:07:17 GMT -5
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Post by NorthStar on Jan 31, 2010 21:10:51 GMT -5
Yes, the Onkyo does have the latest video bells and whistles but audio wise they are not very good in my experience. My LMC/LPA combo killed the Onkyo receiver it replaced a few years ago. Again, just my experience. Bootman, the most important thing that most people always forget, is that with Audyssey MultEQ XT, you just reach a totally different audio stratosphere. * Very cool avatar yourself too Bootman. |
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Post by bootman on Jan 31, 2010 21:43:14 GMT -5
Yes, the Onkyo does have the latest video bells and whistles but audio wise they are not very good in my experience. My LMC/LPA combo killed the Onkyo receiver it replaced a few years ago. Again, just my experience. Bootman, the most important thing that most people always forget, is that with Audyssey MultEQ XT, you just reach a totally different audio stratosphere. * Very cool avatar yourself too Bootman. Well my Onkyo did not have Audyssey MultEQ XT but it really just wasn't good just playing music. Best way to describe it was congested and dry. Maybe the current models have better amps. But I don't think so since I see a ton of them being used as prepros. ;D Now if Disney would only come out with the bluray of The Incredibles in 2010, I'll be a happy camper.  |
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Post by NorthStar on Jan 31, 2010 22:00:14 GMT -5
^ Lol. You a funny guy for sure. Hey, if they used their Onkyo as a Pre/Pro, means it's doing the job well then, right? And honestly, I got two Onkyo receivers with Audyssey MultEQ XT, and it's just in a totally another higher league as far to quality listening to Music, and Movies too. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about, I've been around the block before. And the amp section on those ones that are THX Ultra2 & Ultra2 Plus certified, is very potent. Trust me again on that one, it's not just on paper, it's real too. * Now, 'The Incredibles' on Blu-ray, now you're talking 100% in my line of direction.  |
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Post by indyscammer on Jan 31, 2010 22:01:50 GMT -5
UPA-7...$599 during holiday sale
UMC-1 $699 when widely available
Listening enjoyment...PRICELESS ;D
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Post by NorthStar on Jan 31, 2010 22:18:11 GMT -5
Hey, to whoever's in charge around here, can I ask a very small favor?
Under my username, it says "Seeker of Truth"; could I please keep this, even when my post's count will hit 10,000 & more?
* Sorry for the short off topic jolt.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2010 22:45:47 GMT -5
I hope we can be great friends.Bob Yes Bob, being a member here we are automatically friends and part of the Emo family. As I've said many times we agree and disagree here but in a civil manner. I specialize in humor but also serious discussions. Your post implied that the Onkyo specs were spot on and perhaps superior to the Emo specs. That is simply not true. My purpose was to correct your inaccuracies and counter your subtle slams on Emo gear. We all have no problem discussing and complimenting other gear here but remember this is an Emotiva forum and not an Onkyo forum. So if you are going to imply that your Onkyo receiver might be superior in many ways, THX, Audyssey, chips, amp power, etc. then be sure your information is accurate. I am very aware that the 805 was an excellent receiver in its price range and superior at least in the amp section to the 806 and 807. With the 806, Onkyo cut some corners on the amp and reduced the total weight of the receiver. Also, the review you link to measured power is with only 2 channels driven and not all 5 or 7 channels. You will see a significant drop in power when going to 5 or 7 channels. Now of course, I know that this all channels is lab stuff and not usually demanded from actual source material but it is an excellent measure of the real stability and power of a multi-channel amp. My purpose in mentioning the 805, 806 and 807 was to let others here reading your post know that the 805 is a long discontinued receiver even though possibly still available on E-bay or refurbished dealers like Accessories4less. As far as the XPA-5 running hot you are playing a little game here. That was referring to an XPA-5 that apparently was defective. Try to sneak that over on us here? I have owned my XPA-5 for well over a year. I notice comments about the XPA-5's operating temperature. Almost 100% of all comments have been that the XPA-5 runs only mildly warm to fairly warm (only when operating at very high levels). This cool operating temperature is typical of all Emotiva amps. I have not seen a single comment on a non-defective XPA-5 that runs hot. Onkyo is known for their receivers running hot. I hope you have come here to share your knowledge and questions as we all do and not just to push your refurbished and discontinued Onkyo receivers. We don't always prefer Emo products but we do try to be fair and accurate in comparing them to other brands. So cut the sharpshooting crap and play fair. A belated welcome to the Emotiva Lounge, Bob. ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2010 22:54:49 GMT -5
Bootman, the most important thing that most people always forget, is that with Audyssey MultEQ XT, you just reach a totally different audio stratosphere. The Audyssey is no better than other non-Audyssey systems including the Emotiva Multi-Stratosphere XLFT-3689ai Turbo Acousticshaper-Plus ( ;D) auto room system. The Audyssey makes numerous errors and the best way is to always do a manual check on any auto setup system. |
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Post by broncsrule21 on Feb 1, 2010 11:10:14 GMT -5
^ Lol. You a funny guy for sure. Hey, if they used their Onkyo as a Pre/Pro, means it's doing the job well then, right? And honestly, I got two Onkyo receivers with Audyssey MultEQ XT, and it's just in a totally another higher league as far to quality listening to Music, and Movies too. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about, I've been around the block before. And the amp section on those ones that are THX Ultra2 & Ultra2 Plus certified, is very potent. Trust me again on that one, it's not just on paper, it's real too. * Now, 'The Incredibles' on Blu-ray, now you're talking 100% in my line of direction. Doing its job processing, I will give you that. Playing music, in my experience I've never found the Onkyo sound enjoyable. i have owned Integra gear in the past. Thx is a certification yes, but not a terribly hard standard for any quality built gear to meet. You pay for it and you get your sales fodder for the people at Best Buy and the like. But anyways we all have our opinions. Here is mine. I would take new products with 5 year warranty over a referb Onkyo with a 1 year warranty. |
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Post by Mr. Ben on Feb 1, 2010 11:30:40 GMT -5
All receivers are 7-channel these days. I think it's more appropriate to compare a receiver to the UPA-7, UMC-1, and 7 ultra series cables, which is ~$1435.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2010 23:58:20 GMT -5
The reason the OP (some guy named Chuckienut) used the five channel amp is that the majority of folks buying a 7 channel receiver still only have a 5.1 speaker system. So that is why he felt the 5 channel amp was a more legitimate price comparison. ;D
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Post by NorthStar on Feb 2, 2010 0:31:05 GMT -5
I hope we can be great friends.Bob Yes Bob, being a member here we are automatically friends and part of the Emo family. As I've said many times we agree and disagree here but in a civil manner. I specialize in humor but also serious discussions. Your post implied that the Onkyo specs were spot on and perhaps superior to the Emo specs. That is simply not true. My purpose was to correct your inaccuracies and counter your subtle slams on Emo gear. We all have no problem discussing and complimenting other gear here but remember this is an Emotiva forum and not an Onkyo forum. So if you are going to imply that your Onkyo receiver might be superior in many ways, THX, Audyssey, chips, amp power, etc. then be sure your information is accurate. I am very aware that the 805 was an excellent receiver in its price range and superior at least in the amp section to the 806 and 807. With the 806, Onkyo cut some corners on the amp and reduced the total weight of the receiver. Also, the review you link to measured power is with only 2 channels driven and not all 5 or 7 channels. You will see a significant drop in power when going to 5 or 7 channels. Now of course, I know that this all channels is lab stuff and not usually demanded from actual source material but it is an excellent measure of the real stability and power of a multi-channel amp. My purpose in mentioning the 805, 806 and 807 was to let others here reading your post know that the 805 is a long discontinued receiver even though possibly still available on E-bay or refurbished dealers like Accessories4less. As far as the XPA-5 running hot you are playing a little game here. That was referring to an XPA-5 that apparently was defective. Try to sneak that over on us here? I have owned my XPA-5 for well over a year. I notice comments about the XPA-5's operating temperature. Almost 100% of all comments have been that the XPA-5 runs only mildly warm to fairly warm (only when operating at very high levels). This cool operating temperature is typical of all Emotiva amps. I have not seen a single comment on a non-defective XPA-5 that runs hot. Onkyo is known for their receivers running hot. I hope you have come here to share your knowledge and questions as we all do and not just to push your refurbished and discontinued Onkyo receivers. We don't always prefer Emo products but we do try to be fair and accurate in comparing them to other brands. So cut the sharpshooting crap and play fair. A belated welcome to the Emotiva Lounge, Bob. ;D Wow! You surely don't mince your words! One thing; you are completely missinterpreting me. You have to be careful my friend, this is the internet, and it is easy to screw up on false judgement just from words, that you are even putting wrongly yourself in your own post and that you try to blame on me. How dare you? ;D I don't give a blooda$$ about Onkyo or Denon, or Audyssey, or Oppo, or whatthescrew else... I just report the facts as I said it and as I was asked for it, no more no less rata$$. So, cut the scrap yourself and have fun with your new friends. P.S. I don't need a Bible reading, I already got one. |
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Post by NorthStar on Feb 2, 2010 0:38:06 GMT -5
^ Lol. You a funny guy for sure. Hey, if they used their Onkyo as a Pre/Pro, means it's doing the job well then, right? And honestly, I got two Onkyo receivers with Audyssey MultEQ XT, and it's just in a totally another higher league as far to quality listening to Music, and Movies too. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about, I've been around the block before. And the amp section on those ones that are THX Ultra2 & Ultra2 Plus certified, is very potent. Trust me again on that one, it's not just on paper, it's real too. * Now, 'The Incredibles' on Blu-ray, now you're talking 100% in my line of direction. Doing its job processing, I will give you that. Playing music, in my experience I've never found the Onkyo sound enjoyable. i have owned Integra gear in the past. Thx is a certification yes, but not a terribly hard standard for any quality built gear to meet. You pay for it and you get your sales fodder for the people at Best Buy and the like. But anyways we all have our opinions. Here is mine. I would take new products with 5 year warranty over a referb Onkyo with a 1 year warranty. Hey, you like extended warranty, get a Bryston with a 20-year one. And screw Onkyo for 2-channel stereo listening, I like more Arcam, like the FMJ AVR600. But hey, I'm not you, I'm me. ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2010 1:46:02 GMT -5
it is easy to screw up on false judgement just from words..........I don't give a blooda$$ about Onkyo or Audyssey......... At this forum we do use words. In fact, in 1/3 of your posts so far here at Emotiva Lounge you have mentioned Onkyo and/or Audyssey. The thread subject was what I felt was a great deal on a combo of two Emo products. I would have no problem if you had mentioned that you also thought the Onkyo was a good alternative selection. However, you proceeded to go on in more than one post to state with inaccurate statements why the Onkyo with Audyssey, etc was superior. The idea of the thread was not for people to list what they thought was a better deal. If you feel the Onkyo's are better and want to post on and on about that then why not start your own thread. The title of this thread is not the Emo UMC-1/XPA-5 versus the Onkyo 805 & 807. You said above: "..........What about the Onkyo TX-SR805 that can be found sometimes for only $400, with THX Ultra2 certification, Audyssey MultEQ XT Automatic Room Correction, PCM-1796A Burr-Brown Dacs for all channels, 150 watts times seven (8-ohm loads at 1% THD) factual measured power, excellent pre-amp and amp sections, plus a no fuss simple setup receiver with clear OSD, and all that jazz?.....Or the Onkyo TX-SR876 that sells right now for only $800, and adds the HQV Reon video processor with separate video adjustments for each individual video inputs, VLSC for all channels, Bridgeable capability, and a few more twists?.....Oh, and not last, both with a glitch free operable proven record, after the latest firmware upgrades......Just giving more valuable and equally performing if not with more desirable features, options..........." You don't think that is what is referred to as hijacking a thread and trying to push an Onkyo product while sneaking in a few subtle jabs at Emo? "..........I just report the facts.........." Your repeating at this forum that the XPA-5's run can hot is completely inaccurate. There might be a few rare cases when one has got very warm or even slightly hot but the XPA-5 in almost all cases gets no more than warm. This is well known here due to the massive heat sinks in the Emo amps. Next thing you know the sharpshooters over at the Poke or AVS forum will be spreading your "facts." Your reporting the "fact" that the Onkyo receiver's amp power was higher than the Emo amp was absurd. How about cutting the Onkyo fan boy, anti Emo slant. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2010 2:14:24 GMT -5
UPDATE
For February, the price is up to $1248 but with only $20 for shipping!
Wow! Still a great deal. ;D
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Post by NorthStar on Feb 2, 2010 14:24:37 GMT -5
Sorry for hijacking your thread, that was not my intention.
But please, don't say that I said the Onkyo 805 had a higher power amp section than the UPA-5 (is it the amp that is part of your great combo?), because I did not say that, you did.
What I said was very clear, you just quoted me above; what you did is to insinuate that by "factual measure power" you thought I meant "higher power", which I did not; you just wrongly interpreted it like I did.
Please, read carefully, and don't make false comments towards me (no need to "fan boy" me neither).
I love Emotiva products very much so, and I will get few of them (couple amps) for their great value to use in my own system. Besides, my 876 sounds like crap in 2-channel analog stereo.
And Audyssey is a pain in the butt to properly set up. ...So many rules to follow, that if you miss just one little tiny detail, you screw everything else.
* I do really think that your Emotiva combo is an excellent alternative to receivers in the $1,200 to $2,000 range. It's a tremendous value.
I'm sorry that I jump on this like I did, but I just wanted to say that there are also other options for people with less cash, that's all. And your thread's title (Deal of the Century) did in fact influenced me alot for wanting to say something; nothing bad or alarming, just friendly and peaceful opinion.
I'm new here, and I don't know yet how people think; but I'm surely starting to get an idea with your recent post. And I will follow your smart advice by trying to post in the appropriate threads.
As for AVS, they have their own agenda, and I don't post there. Some people are simply too anti-language there (they don't like French people). ...Really don't need that in my life.
* By the way Chuck, what is the "Poke"?
Again, please do accept my apology for me stepping into your thread. And I hope you do understand better now where I'm coming from.
Bob
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Post by eman on Feb 2, 2010 15:42:55 GMT -5
Chuckienut you deserve an award. I would not have been that nice...
thelordoftherings, a "poke" is the Polkaudio forums, go check it out you will love it I promise.
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