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Post by bootman on Jan 31, 2010 12:31:14 GMT -5
What is the video processor used in the UMC-1? Genesis Torino. Should be fine with standard resolutions in and standard resolutions out. Anyone looking for more fine tuning of the video or non standard resolutions should really be looking at a dedicated VP. |
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Post by snodog on Jan 31, 2010 12:35:17 GMT -5
I like the PS3 as a blu-ray player which I use more than playing games on. In addition to the wifi and it pretty much auto updates firmware, which they constantly come up with nice new features and oh yeah the netflix thing is nice now too. I guess I am looking for a good quality cd player but would be nice to listen to the SACD too even though I cant see myself buying many. Hmm maybe I need to reconsider my options.
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Post by venaka on Jan 31, 2010 13:31:49 GMT -5
doesnt the old ps3 play sacd?
Im pretty sure ive seen the sacd logo on the side of my fat ps3..??
I use my ps3 mainly for games , blu-rays, and like you mentioned, netflix streaming (hd only).
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Post by snodog on Jan 31, 2010 13:37:00 GMT -5
I dont think mine does, its the 40gb. It is new enough to not have the SACD and old enough to not have the TrueHD and DTS HD. Guess I got the wrong one.
Actually I was wrong it does do TrueHD and Dts didnt even know that but I see the logos on the side. Cool
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Post by NorthStar on Jan 31, 2010 13:43:04 GMT -5
If you go to the Emo home page,click umc1 you'll find good info. Thanks, but you could have mention it with less words that you just used! |
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Post by NorthStar on Jan 31, 2010 13:53:17 GMT -5
What is the video processor used in the UMC-1? Genesis Torino. Should be fine with standard resolutions in and standard resolutions out. Anyone looking for more fine tuning of the video or non standard resolutions should really be looking at a dedicated VP. Thanks, now you're talking, with a straight answer and with a note about its less than stellar performance on some digital, and even analog aspects of it. * I'm familiar with the Faroudja DCDI Torino VP. There are other much better solutions than this one. And besides, can you adjust all the video parameters for each individual video inputs? |
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Post by bootman on Jan 31, 2010 14:16:20 GMT -5
Genesis Torino. Should be fine with standard resolutions in and standard resolutions out. Anyone looking for more fine tuning of the video or non standard resolutions should really be looking at a dedicated VP. Thanks, now you're talking, with a straight answer and with a note about it's less than stellar performance on some digital, and even analog aspects of it. * I'm familiar with the Faroudja DCDI Torino VP. There are other much better solutions than this one. And besides, can you adjust all the video parameters for each individual video inputs? Right now all video settings are global. It's my biggest criticism about the UMC right now. Maybe they will add it later after a stable firmware is released. |
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Post by NorthStar on Jan 31, 2010 14:21:46 GMT -5
Thanks, now you're talking, with a straight answer and with a note about it's less than stellar performance on some digital, and even analog aspects of it. * I'm familiar with the Faroudja DCDI Torino VP. There are other much better solutions than this one. And besides, can you adjust all the video parameters for each individual video inputs? Right now all video settings are global. It's my biggest criticism about the UMC right now. Maybe they will add it later after a stable firmware is released. One can only wish...  |
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Post by bootman on Jan 31, 2010 14:25:53 GMT -5
My take on the torino.
Yes there are much better solutions available right now, but for the target audience of this product and at the price point they were trying to hit, I don't know if another more capable chip would have been justified budget wise.
The design goal of the UMC was to offer world class audio not world class video.
To do that would require almost 3x the price I think.
Maybe in the XMC?
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Post by petes on Jan 31, 2010 15:58:12 GMT -5
My take on the torino. Yes there are much better solutions available right now, but for the target audience of this product and at the price point they were trying to hit, I don't know if another more capable chip would have been justified budget wise. The design goal of the UMC was to offer world class audio not world class video. To do that would require almost 3x the price I think. Maybe in the XMC? Or, get the UMC and a DVDO Edge - you can get an Edge for about $550 and that'll give you a real step-up in video performance and lots more per input control. |
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Post by zductive on Jan 31, 2010 16:19:37 GMT -5
Petes, I use the UMC-1 and DVDO Edge combination and I think that its great.
The Torino chip puts out a nice picture but, the edge gives it the video processor features that makes the picture very very nice.
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Question - I have been listening to DD 5.1 mapped to DDEX. - It sounds like the rear speakers are receiving a lot of the sound that I would have expected from the front channels. Are you happy with the way that the UMC is decoding the signals?
How about 7.1 signals - I only have one DTS blue-ray that puts you into the middle of a Jazz arrangement. It was quite impressive but, want to hear from some of you that know what 7.1 should sound like. Are you happy with the way that the UMC is decoding the signals?
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Post by pmd918 on Jan 31, 2010 18:18:47 GMT -5
My take on the torino. Yes there are much better solutions available right now, but for the target audience of this product and at the price point they were trying to hit, I don't know if another more capable chip would have been justified budget wise. The design goal of the UMC was to offer world class audio not world class video. To do that would require almost 3x the price I think. Maybe in the XMC? Or, get the UMC and a DVDO Edge - you can get an Edge for about $550 and that'll give you a real step-up in video performance and lots more per input control. If you didn't already have the DVDO and are that concerned about video scaling, my choice would be just to get a Denon AVR-4310CI and use Emotiva amps for the fronts (XPA-3, or XPA-2, or 3xUPA-1). The amps in the Denon are more than capable to drive the surrounds and you would end up with a lot more features and I don't think there would be much of an impact on SQ, if any. If the problems with the UMC-1 aren't resolved in this upcoming firmware release, that's probably the route I'll go. I'm hoping to get the UMC-1, though. Mostly because my critical viewing is from DVD and Blu-Ray and my Oppo doesn't need any help scaling that. |
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Post by roadrunner on Jan 31, 2010 18:48:26 GMT -5
does the umc decode DSD over hdmi? i'm assuming not since it looks like my sony is automatically sending a multichannel pcm signal, unless there's a setting i'm not aware of. When I asked Lonnie this question last year, about including DSD, he said that they were talking with Sony, but he did not think Emotiva would license it because Sony was being totally unreasonable and inflexible with their demands in the Licensing Agreement. The Cirrus chip natively supports DSD, so the UMC-1 is fully capable of decoding, if Sony changed their stance. Since nothing is mentioned in the Product Page for the UMC-1, it is highly doubtful DSD over HDMI has been included in the list of codecs licensed and supported. Sony has a long history of being hard to work with when it comes to their intellectual property. Oops! I just noticed I was posting this response after taking several potent pain pills the other night. My brain was even foggier than I thought it was. To correct my error in the above post a little background is needed. Sorry for the confused state of my mind. I hope it did not confuse to many Lounge members. Back when the ERC-1 and the UMC-1 where being discussed during the final stages of introducing the ERC-1, quite a few people were asking if the ERC-1 would be able to play SACD disc. This is when I called Lonnie asking about including DSD functionality on the ERC-1 since the Cirrus chip set being used in the UMC-1 natively supports DSD. So it was the ERC-1, not the UMC-1, that was the root of Lonnie saying Sony was being totally unreasonable in negotiations for the DSD Licensing Agreement. The UMC-1's ability to decode DSD has never been in doubt. As mentioned above, the Cirrus chip natively handles DSD. Please accept my apology for getting the details scrambled in my drug induced foggy state of mind. This error has been eating away in my subconscious mind knowing I had posted something that didn't make sense, so today I finally went back over my posts to see what I had said. When I found it, I felt I needed to correct it just in case anyone was confused by it. Sorry.  |
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Post by Mr. Ben on Jan 31, 2010 18:58:02 GMT -5
Back when the ERC-1 and the UMC-1 where being discussed during the final stages of introducing the ERC-1, quite a few people were asking if the ERC-1 would be able to play SACD disc. This is when I called Lonnie asking about including DSD functionality on the ERC-1 since the Cirrus chip set being used in the UMC-1 natively supports DSD. So it was the ERC-1, not the UMC-1, that was the root of Lonnie saying Sony was being totally unreasonable in negotiations for the DSD Licensing Agreement. The UMC-1's ability to decode DSD has never been in doubt. As mentioned above, the Cirrus chip natively handles DSD. For the record, the DAC in the ERC-1 can also natively handle DSD, and the drive can read them. Licensing is the only reason the ERC-1 doesn't play SACD's. I'd assume that the licensing issues would be the same on the UMC-1. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2010 19:19:03 GMT -5
so this means the dac converts the signal to pcm , right ?
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Post by NorthStar on Jan 31, 2010 20:20:40 GMT -5
My take on the torino. Yes there are much better solutions available right now, but for the target audience of this product and at the price point they were trying to hit, I don't know if another more capable chip would have been justified budget wise. The design goal of the UMC was to offer world class audio not world class video. To do that would require almost 3x the price I think. Maybe in the XMC? I totally agree with you here. |
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Post by NorthStar on Jan 31, 2010 20:24:26 GMT -5
so this means the dac converts the signal to pcm , right ? In the UMC-1? * I'm starting to get quite confused now.  |
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Post by bootman on Jan 31, 2010 20:30:13 GMT -5
My take on the torino. Yes there are much better solutions available right now, but for the target audience of this product and at the price point they were trying to hit, I don't know if another more capable chip would have been justified budget wise. The design goal of the UMC was to offer world class audio not world class video. To do that would require almost 3x the price I think. Maybe in the XMC? Or, get the UMC and a DVDO Edge - you can get an Edge for about $550 and that'll give you a real step-up in video performance and lots more per input control. I have an Edge now. I was a beta tester and have one of the earlier units. With the current firmware on it now, I'm very happy with the video results with cable and DVD. I currently pass through 1080p/24 to my display when watching blurays. The one thing the edge cannot do is pass a HD bitstream from a connected source. PCM out only. |
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Post by moe on Jan 31, 2010 21:32:36 GMT -5
If you go to the Emo home page,click umc1 you'll find good info. Thanks, but you could have mention it with less words that you just used! You also could have just went to the products page and EASILY read the specs for yourself? You know,if you're really thinkin about buying one that would be a great place to start... |
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Post by NorthStar on Jan 31, 2010 21:46:02 GMT -5
Thanks, but you could have mention it with less words that you just used! You also could have just went to the products page and EASILY read the specs for yourself? True, but I guess I was lazy at the time. Besides I'm only starting to get around. And I'd rather hear from real people with their personal experience, so it was with that intention that my question referred to in the first place. Hey, don't sweat it, it's no big deal at all. And I truly enjoyed reading your take on the audio side of the UMC-1, honest to God. * Who knows what I'm really thinking... Cheers, Bob |
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