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Post by skriefal on Jan 26, 2010 23:07:50 GMT -5
I too have been encountering issues with my VIP722 connected to UMC-1 via HDMI. The VIP722 doesn't "go crazy" when the UMC-1 is turned off, but switching channels via the EPG has become very very slow. The screen goes blank, several seconds pass, and the everything finally syncs up. And sometimes after the sync finally happens and the picture reappears, the sound will be absent until I switch the UMC-1 to another input and then back again. It does seem like an HDMI sync/handshake issue. The VIP722 also rebooted spontaneously on one occasion.
These issues did not occur prior to installation of the UMC-1, so it seems probable that the two are related... especially given the other comments here.
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Post by ICBM99 on Jan 27, 2010 10:02:59 GMT -5
Well hopefully the UMC firmware will help some of these issues.
If not, I guess that will free up one of the HDMI ports on the UMC. I don't really have any problem running component and toslink, for dish.
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Post by nashty1 on Jan 27, 2010 13:12:15 GMT -5
I will revise my previous statement, I don't necessarily have a problem with component and tosklink from the 722, it is more of a disappointment. Moving to the UMC was supposed to be my move to all HDMI so I could clean up all of the cords. It is something that I thought I was buying when I bought the UMC (i.e. the ability to run all HDMI). At the moment my solution is to simply leave the UMC on all of the time. I may consider changing over to component and toslink if the UMC firmware update doesn't correct the issue.
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Post by dvcdude on Jan 28, 2010 6:28:01 GMT -5
I went ahead and hooked up component, and toslink from the dish reciever, and everything works flawlessly. The UMC will up-convert the signal to 1080p, and send to to my TV Through the single HDMI out cable. Seeing that dish does not transmit 1080p or HD audio, nothing is lost in quality. Hope this helps. Mark I am glad that worked out for you. I was having a similar problem last year and was provided this recommendation for my setup. I made this change and everything has been smooth since. As I understand, some set top boxes (Dish in particular) do some strange things with handshake over HDMI. |
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Post by venaka on Jan 28, 2010 7:00:24 GMT -5
I will revise my previous statement, I don't necessarily have a problem with component and tosklink from the 722, it is more of a disappointment. Moving to the UMC was supposed to be my move to all HDMI so I could clean up all of the cords. It is something that I thought I was buying when I bought the UMC (i.e. the ability to run all HDMI). At the moment my solution is to simply leave the UMC on all of the time. I may consider changing over to component and toslink if the UMC firmware update doesn't correct the issue. Bootman gave me this info Power up 1)TV 2)UMC 3)STB Power down 1)STB 2)UMC 3)TV and i also switched hdmi cables..to a 1.3 vs and old one. trial and error man |
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Post by solidstate on Jan 28, 2010 23:57:41 GMT -5
That's very good advice for power on off cycle sequence.
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Post by nashty1 on Jan 30, 2010 11:54:03 GMT -5
I have tried several different on/off sequences, including the one specifically mentioned above. Unfortunately none of them have helped. The DISH 722 still locks up despite the order of power down or power up. It the UMC is off DISH is brought to its knees when hooked up via HDMI. Still waiting for the firmware upgrade. If it doesn't change things I will begrudgingly move to component and toslink.
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Post by solidstate on Jan 30, 2010 13:35:32 GMT -5
Did you try the complete master reset I spoke of in the thread and take a new firmware update? Shame about some of these receivers is they might have the same model number but be a different hardware revision. They do that but tell or admit nothing because they don't want users knowing they have a revision that's screwy. They try to fix this stuff via firmware updates and notice they roll firmwares out on a IRD#/CAID# basis and sometimes even though a receiver is say a 722 it might use an older firmware than another 722 because they are different hardware revisions. I"d do the master reset if you have not already.
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PS Master reset procedure
IRD up/on...
Step #1: Locate & press the menu button on your satellite remote control.
Step #2: : Press #6: This option is called system setup.
Step #3: : Press #3: This option is called Diagnostics
Step #4: : Now you are there, you have to press the following buttons in sequence (one at the time.) Before you do it, make sure, you find out where each button is located.
Info-Browse-Theme-TV/Video
note that on some remotes the "TV/video" button silkscreen isn't there but "input" is. It's the same button and is located to the left of the red TV power button.
Understand this will force redownload of firmware if newer one is in the stream. In other words don't interrupt the thing after doing this for at least 40 minutes. Also it will nuke your HD content and reformat it. Also run a checkswitch again under signal strength screen. (important depending on the dish/lnbs used and should always be done after a power outage or master reset)
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Post by venaka on Jan 31, 2010 12:05:48 GMT -5
Solid-State PS Master reset procedure IRD up/on... Step #1: Locate & press the menu button on your satellite remote control. Step #2: : Press #6: This option is called system setup. Step #3: : Press #3: This option is called Diagnostics Step #4: : Now you are there, you have to press the following buttons in sequence (one at the time.) Before you do it, make sure, you find out where each button is located. Info-Browse-Theme-TV/Video ss,will this work with directv? |
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Post by agehring on Jan 31, 2010 12:53:32 GMT -5
ss,will this work with directv? DirecTV and Dish use differnet equipment. To force a software update on a DTV receiver: Press the red reset button next to your card in the DVR and the unit will power off. When is comes back on immediately hit 02468 on your remote number pad and the download should be found and start. Chances are you'll just be wasting time and the receiver will download the same software it already has. When there's new software available for your receiver, it'll be downloaded automatically. Until then, all you'll get by forcing a download is the same software you have now... |
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Post by nashty1 on Feb 1, 2010 13:45:45 GMT -5
Solid State - I have not attempted the master reset yet. It will be my last resort. Since it will reformat the hard drive it is not a very appealing option. (There are a couple of items on the drive that I would like to keep... at least for awhile.) I did however check with DISH that I am running the latest version of the firmware per the DISH website for the model I have (722k).
Should I expect anything different from a master reset if I am already using the latest DISH firmware?
I will consider the master reset again if nothing changes from the UMC firmware upgrade.
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Post by canadianbacon on Feb 12, 2010 14:56:57 GMT -5
Doesn't sound like this has been resolved yet then eh? Any improvement with the new software update recently put out for the UMC?
I've got the Motorola 9242 box. Which from what I can see and read, is the same box as the Dish 722. I'm in canada. I do NOT have a UMC nor do I have a reciever that does HDMI switching yet but am anxiously awaiting an email from the good people at Emotiva regarding a UMC-1.
Given the size of Dish Network, and, relative to Canada, the size of Bell's network here, there seems to be no response from the guys at Emotiva. It would seem to me that with the level of Home Theatre savy on this board, most guys here, located in the US would have the 722 box if on dish's network. A selling feature of the 722 (9242) was that it could manage satelite signals to 2 separate televisions. 1 HD and 1 SD.
Emotiva, have you been able to duplicate the issue. It would seem to me that this is a big deal. and that the 722 box is a very common unit (Guessing)
I love the idea of all features and functionality that the UMC-1 brings to the table but find the prospect of having to purchase a separate satelite tuner for the SD television a little crazy.
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Post by alhull on Feb 12, 2010 15:23:30 GMT -5
I went ahead and hooked up component, and toslink from the dish reciever, and everything works flawlessly. The UMC will up-convert the signal to 1080p, and send to to my TV Through the single HDMI out cable. Seeing that dish does not transmit 1080p or HD audio, nothing is lost in quality. Hope this helps. Mark This is exactly what I did last night for my 722 dvr, and I hadn't even seen this thread yet. I have the 722 set to only single TV mode, and as soon as I had it hooked up (originally) with the hdmi to the UMC it started shutting down completely when I was done watching TV and shut off the UMC-1. Kept having to wait for it to reacquire the sats, get the guide, etc. a real PITA. I removed the HDMI last night, recabled with component and toslink, and everything is working flawlessly with the UMC-1. I am really beginning to hate HDMI and all the BS "rules" the circuitry is now forced to follow by Congress/MPAA/RIAA -- whatever. |
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Post by canadianbacon on Feb 12, 2010 15:31:05 GMT -5
I removed the HDMI last night, recabled with component and toslink, and everything is working flawlessly with the UMC-1. Granted I'm new to this thread but it still seems that this is a work-around on a fundamental level and NOT a solution. Is there a solution that would have us using Satbox-HDMI-umc-HDMI-tv? It would seem to me that taking an HD signal, downgrading it to whatever component can send (480P?) to the UMC and the upconverting it BACK to HD (1080 I/P) is not efficient and seems "Wrong" in the pursuit of home theatre excellence. Am I just being bitchy? |
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Post by ICBM99 on Feb 12, 2010 15:38:58 GMT -5
Component can output 1080i just fine (technically it can do 1080p), so really all the UMC will be doing is de-interlacing the source.
But I do agree that a proper HDMI connection would be the best. Now whether it is Emotiva, or the dish boxes that are to blame, has yet to be seen.
I do have a feeling that it is the UMC, because its the newest variable.
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Post by roadrunner on Feb 12, 2010 20:31:57 GMT -5
Component can output 1080i just fine (technically it can do 1080p), so really all the UMC will be doing is de-interlacing the source. But I do agree that a proper HDMI connection would be the best. Now whether it is Emotiva, or the dish boxes that are to blame, has yet to be seen. I do have a feeling that it is the UMC, because its the newest variable. I don't know if Dish has "fixed" their HDMI problems during the past year, but I know that I have seen several posts in various forums alluding to the 722 have sever HDMI problems. Also, about a year ago, I upgraded my DirecTV receivers and the tech that came out to put in the new dish and new receivers told me that his company handles both the Dish and DirecTV line and that they were not hooking up ANY of the Dish receivers via HDMI because of the problems they were having. It is a fact that a year ago Dish was plagued with HDMI problems so that makes it nearly impossible to know if Emotiva's FW is contributing to the issue. The Satellite TV installer said that they only used component cable to hook up the Dish receivers. I don't own a Dish system or I would try to see what issues still exist with trying HDMI. Have any of the Dish owners contacted Dish to get a firm ware upgrade to fix the problem or is Dish even acknowledging they were have issues with HDMI? |
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Post by powerwindow on Feb 13, 2010 20:13:02 GMT -5
Component can output 1080i just fine (technically it can do 1080p), so really all the UMC will be doing is de-interlacing the source. But I do agree that a proper HDMI connection would be the best. Now whether it is Emotiva, or the dish boxes that are to blame, has yet to be seen. I do have a feeling that it is the UMC, because its the newest variable. I don't know if Dish has "fixed" their HDMI problems during the past year, but I know that I have seen several posts in various forums alluding to the 722 have sever HDMI problems. Also, about a year ago, I upgraded my DirecTV receivers and the tech that came out to put in the new dish and new receivers told me that his company handles both the Dish and DirecTV line and that they were not hooking up ANY of the Dish receivers via HDMI because of the problems they were having. It is a fact that a year ago Dish was plagued with HDMI problems so that makes it nearly impossible to know if Emotiva's FW is contributing to the issue. The Satellite TV installer said that they only used component cable to hook up the Dish receivers. I don't own a Dish system or I would try to see what issues still exist with trying HDMI. Have any of the Dish owners contacted Dish to get a firm ware upgrade to fix the problem or is Dish even acknowledging they were have issues with HDMI? This post is troubling to me as I do have the Dish receiver in question. However, I have not had any handshake issues to speak of. Currently running HDMI from Sat to HK AVR. Do not have a second TV. Use the Sat in single mode so that two differnt shows can record simulatneously and at same time watch recorded program. I too feel going the component/toslink route does not reduce quality it is just an unfortunate situation. To me, logically it would seem to be a UMC issue. But since I don't have a UMC yet to try and duplicate OP situation I'm just hypothesizing. Although pretty savvy, I'm still a little in the dark w/ the whole HDMI handshake deal. Hopefully it is in the UMC and it can be addressed w/ a future update? Just my 2cents. |
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Post by alhull on Feb 13, 2010 21:25:08 GMT -5
I removed the HDMI last night, recabled with component and toslink, and everything is working flawlessly with the UMC-1. Granted I'm new to this thread but it still seems that this is a work-around on a fundamental level and NOT a solution. Is there a solution that would have us using Satbox-HDMI-umc-HDMI-tv? It would seem to me that taking an HD signal, downgrading it to whatever component can send (480P?) to the UMC and the upconverting it BACK to HD (1080 I/P) is not efficient and seems "Wrong" in the pursuit of home theatre excellence. Am I just being bitchy? I am happily watching the Olympics in pristine 1080i HD. While folks can argue that the 722 box ought to work correctly with HDMI, since the box can only output a max quality of 1080i I'm not losing a thing. It only takes 1 more cable and solves a ton of problems. |
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Post by powerwindow on Feb 15, 2010 11:32:35 GMT -5
I am happily watching the Olympics in pristine 1080i HD. While folks can argue that the 722 box ought to work correctly with HDMI, since the box can only output a max quality of 1080i I'm not losing a thing. It only takes 1 more cable and solves a ton of problems. Ya it's only one more cable, but right now I'm using one 4m HDMI cable to get from my Dish box to my AVR. If this is not going to work w/ the UMC then I have to buy TWO new 4m cables and have a $70 HDMI sitting in a drawer. No qulaity lost for sure, but money wasted, you bet. |
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Post by nashty1 on Feb 15, 2010 13:20:32 GMT -5
I finally had time to perform the UMC-1 firmware update and unfortunately this issue remains. Nothing has changed. The DISH 722k still crashes when hooked up to the UMC via HDMI and the UMC is powered down.
I did contact DISH directly regarding this issue. They definitely seemed to be aware of HDMI handshake issues, but did not go anywhere near saying the problem I was experiencing was their fault (surprise, surprise). The too suggested using the component out and tosklink. Not what I wanted to hear.
I have spent too much time trying to sort this out. I am begrudgingly going to hook-up via component and toslink and forget about it. If someone comes up with a solution please keep us informed!
Thanks!
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