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Post by troyd on Feb 4, 2010 6:56:00 GMT -5
Amazing. I will never understand the people here. And you are confusing arrogance with ego. Troyd, Prefacing every derogatory comment with "I don't really mean this, but" means you DO mean it. Do you really think people are stupid enough to not understand that? Passive aggressive is bad enough from women, let's not run it through the other half of the planet. Well, I can tell you this...when I REALLY mean something, I don't mince words. So, let's go with this. You know nothing about me. If you equate confidence with arrogance.....then you will think I'm arrogant. Egotistical? Not really..... Passive/Agressive....let's see, I first of all, that's a pretty sexist generalization....which if you find is ok to make, I'll add you immediately to the 'bozo list'. Second, you make my point very well. Not EVERY forum treats 'newbies' as well as they would like to think that they do. Again, people in glass houses. .... Third, I will post here until as long as I wish. If you don't like me, ignore me. It's posts like this that start the sh*t pot stirring..... I come in peace, I've given my explanation for things. If that doesn't suit you, fine, feel free to ignore me. BDT
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Post by briank on Feb 4, 2010 7:28:41 GMT -5
Sorry. . . I thought this thread was about Emo vs Krell. Silly me, I must be on the wrong thread.
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Post by troyd on Feb 4, 2010 10:19:22 GMT -5
Sorry for the derail.....
FWIW, Krell has never been my cup of tea.....
BDT
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Post by rooster on Feb 4, 2010 17:04:24 GMT -5
Well after reading all of the forum banter, I started wondering if I was missing out on something by not having more expensive amps. So... I took the plunge and ordered a new Krell S300i integrated ($2500) for my 2 channel set up ( 2 Polk LSi9's, an Onkyo AVR as a pre, an Emo UPA-2, a Wadia 170i, and a Marantz SA8003). I received the Krell and hooked up tonight. No bash intended here on Krell, but what a huge disappointment! Compared to my Emo, the bass was totally lost, depth and detail were horrible. I was just shocked. I fiddled around with it for about an hour, yanked it out, hooked my Emo back up and all is well again. The Krell will be returned tomorrow. Please forgive me! I will never doubt again!! this is absurd.
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Post by ntrain42 on Feb 5, 2010 10:50:21 GMT -5
Polk.......the "Bose" of the new millenium! ;D +1 right above me. I just don't see someone who has Polk speakers buying a Krell amp.........just doesn't make sense. Where is Rockford Fosgate on their new home amp line when you need em?! ;D
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Post by gordon58 on Feb 5, 2010 12:39:18 GMT -5
I don't think Polk is the new Bose at all. Making a statement like that is a stretch for any site.
Whatever your views are on the attitude of CP, the product is still an affordable, reasonable and tested over time piece. And no, I no longer own Polk speakers.
Gordon
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Post by broncsrule21 on Feb 5, 2010 15:02:51 GMT -5
Polk.......the "Bose" of the new millenium! ;D +1 right above me. I just don't see someone who has Polk speakers buying a Krell amp.........just doesn't make sense. Where is Rockford Fosgate on their new home amp line when you need em?! ;D Or how about "Onkyo---Better for heating your room than music" ;D ;D We don't need to stoop to these levels do we?
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Post by ntrain42 on Feb 5, 2010 15:31:51 GMT -5
Polk.......the "Bose" of the new millenium! ;D +1 right above me. I just don't see someone who has Polk speakers buying a Krell amp.........just doesn't make sense. Where is Rockford Fosgate on their new home amp line when you need em?! ;D Or how about "Onkyo---Better for heating your room than music" ;D ;D We don't need to stoop to these levels do we? Depends which Onkyo your talking about. THe top end Onkyo AVR's that use a real toroidal don't run hot at all. I know, I drive a combo of Kefs and Maggies with it. My older 805 though runs real hot in comparison. Can still get a ruler flat signal response out of it though. Polk's I never liked, their in room responses have always reminded me of the White Mountains. ;D I can take poke though in good fun.
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Post by broncsrule21 on Feb 5, 2010 21:00:36 GMT -5
Fair enough. I don't think anyone is calling modern day Polks "audiophile" grade but I think they do well for their price point. I have not had the chance to a/b mine against my ERM-1s yet to see which I prefer.
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Post by gordon58 on Feb 5, 2010 21:23:29 GMT -5
I thought the Polk LSI-9 compared very well with the Dynaudio Confidence C1 bookshelf. The C1 is a $6K set of speakers and the LSI is what, $1K? The C1 was a bit crisper on top, too much for me as a matter of fact, but the LSI with clean, controlling gear was a pleasure to listen to.
Gordon
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Post by bootman on Feb 5, 2010 23:33:21 GMT -5
I never cared much for Polk products (just my personal opinion and not intended to offend Polk owners) but I did not have a strong opinion one way or the other until now. I had never visited the Polk forum until today. After reading some of the totally inane and Emo disparaging threads from people who claim never to have heard Emo equipment, I am shocked that Polk would allow such drivel to be posted on their forums. I would be ashamed to be associated with such a company. What I find laughable is that most of the nay-sayers' arguments hinge on product pricing, suggesting that if a product is not expensive it cannot be worth considering. Amazingly, this same logic is not extended to the Polk products. Polk's flagship speaker, the LSi25 only costs $2800/pair - a pittance when compared to a range of high-end speakers available in the market. Polk is a long way from high-end, IMO. The first time I heard of Polk was when I auditioned a set of SDA SRS back in the late 80's. I thought at the time that they were going the high end route, but then they switched gears and went after those that bought Bose products and went big into car audio. From a marketing point of view, I think they did the right thing looking at how well they are doing now. The LSi series now remind me of those SDAs a bit but at a much smaller scale. They were huge, but I did like the sound that the SDAs put out at the time.
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Post by rskarvan on Dec 10, 2011 10:59:52 GMT -5
I stumbled on this thread because I just ordered a USP-1 and a UPA-2 to power an older set of Polk Monitor 10's that I've had for some time (2nd system). My main system is Thiel 3.6's powered by Krell KAV250A/250P. I've listened to my Polk Monitor 10's powered by Krell and they can sound very good. I'm hoping the smaller UPA-2 will provide enough oomph to wake them up a little better than a Yamaha receiver.
My main comment about the Polk Forum is that the group is lead by a few and does tend to exhibit "group think" and disrespects individuals quite regularly. I haven't seen that happen here.
I don't expect the UPA-2/USP-1 combo to match the Krell KAV250A/250P combo.... but, I do (based upon the reviews here) expect it to be very good. I expect the old Monitor 10's to become the weak link in my 2nd system.
Krell is very good for what it does. But, as someone said, it does lack some SOUL. The devil is in the details and I hope the USP-1 delivers.
I've become an EMO follower slowly. I purchased the UMC-1 from a per-order list. I added the ERC-1 a little later on. And, now, I'm adding the UPA-2 and USP-1 along with some EMO RCA and Speaker Cables.
Thanks EMO for making quality products and break-thru prices. I know your products are MFG in China and I don't have any problem with that. Chinese are fine factory workers that appreciate the work and technology. WIN WIN.
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Post by ausman on Dec 10, 2011 13:28:52 GMT -5
from what i've seen of krell, it is mainly used within the studio market or cineplex markets, you don't really hear of them in the home market unless your dripping with the bread to buy them..
over hear in my country you hear the dynaudio, USaudio, polk and a heap of other brands being offered with the likes of denon, marantz, onkyo, pioneer, nad plus a few others.
if you plan to use bose be prepared to stock fuses, standing joke with bose over here is bose with bose, bose with anything else watch the fun times begin..
now krell vs emo I would say if you stick with 8/4 ohms look they are likely going to match each other, now if you want bench press 3/2/1 ohms you will pay for it, and it will likely be a krell or another vendor.
for price alone I doubt many could beat emo power amps..
with most other vendor 9/1p you are paying for a reliability of a brand name, not necessarily the sound that namebrand may or may not produce is pure conjecture..
yup you fan boys and girls with certain speaker aswell whether or not it suits your situation remains to be seen..
if you like krell buy krell if you like emo buy emo, in some quarters you may get stick for buying weiter product, same with speakers..
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Post by audiocr381ve on Dec 12, 2011 15:27:29 GMT -5
I stumbled on this thread because I just ordered a USP-1 and a UPA-2 to power an older set of Polk Monitor 10's that I've had for some time (2nd system). My main system is Thiel 3.6's powered by Krell KAV250A/250P. I've listened to my Polk Monitor 10's powered by Krell and they can sound very good. I'm hoping the smaller UPA-2 will provide enough oomph to wake them up a little better than a Yamaha receiver. My main comment about the Polk Forum is that the group is lead by a few and does tend to exhibit "group think" and disrespects individuals quite regularly. I haven't seen that happen here. I don't expect the UPA-2/USP-1 combo to match the Krell KAV250A/250P combo.... but, I do (based upon the reviews here) expect it to be very good. I expect the old Monitor 10's to become the weak link in my 2nd system. Krell is very good for what it does. But, as someone said, it does lack some SOUL. The devil is in the details and I hope the USP-1 delivers. I've become an EMO follower slowly. I purchased the UMC-1 from a per-order list. I added the ERC-1 a little later on. And, now, I'm adding the UPA-2 and USP-1 along with some EMO RCA and Speaker Cables. Thanks EMO for making quality products and break-thru prices. I know your products are MFG in China and I don't have any problem with that. Chinese are fine factory workers that appreciate the work and technology. WIN WIN. If you do end up comparing both combo's, please do a write up for us WITH pictures (or it didn't happen ) I completely agree with you about Club Polk. It's still a fun place to talk audio.
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Post by dust770 on Mar 13, 2014 15:55:24 GMT -5
It seems funny that the guys at Polk are hammering on you for spending less on an Emo amp, after all Polk are not super high end speakers, more of a value speaker, so you would think they would love Emo over there. Don't get me wrong, I love Polks, my whole theater is Polks but I have no illusions that they are some super high end speaker that need super high end amps. Although I will be getting XPR-1's myself Wow I just posted on like a 4 year old thread, that's funny! Must be my pain meds
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Post by garbulky on Mar 14, 2014 11:23:33 GMT -5
From my sig, I own the UPA-2. And I really like it. You're saying the Krell sucks compared to it? Well as much as I love my UPA-2, I would probably reserve judgment till after hearing the Krell and give it the benefit of the doubt. I mean...it's Krell! And as Eltwo puts it.... But I am glad you like the UPA-2! It's one of the best things I ever spent my money on! And honestly it's current price in the XPA-200, is IMO more in line with what it's worth than the pittance I paid for it. I hope to upgrade my amps someday. I am considering the XPA-1 L's or the XPA-1's. The class A fully balanced thing draws me. Anyway.....when did I miss all the troyd bruhaha? Who is this gent? And why is he already gone before I could join in on the fun?!
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