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Post by ratmice on Feb 14, 2010 14:19:29 GMT -5
All systems have issues with mic placement and reflections etc... it's the nature of what you are trying to achieve. However, I have never had as inconsistent results, non-sensical setttings, and values for speakers that don't exist on any other system (MCACC, Audyssey). It seems that many others are having similar issues. Granted, things may have changed for the other systems, but your blanket statement just seems incorrect. Not trying to flame you, just pointing out that there are good, working, room correction systems - so people don;t get turned off to trying them. As always YMMV. Easy solution, don't use it and set it up manually. ;D ;D I had no choice, but to do so.  p.s. since you're around, could you take a peek at this thread for an interesting issue: emotivalounge.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=preamps&action=display&thread=9435 |
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Post by puft54cs on Feb 14, 2010 16:52:09 GMT -5
Wish I could share in many people's joy with the upgrade but I can't. Having just received my UMC-1 back from Emotiva after a loss of sound which caused me to send it back in to be repaired. The digital sound board was replaced. So far so good I thought. I unpacked it today and checked the firmware level per Lonnie's instructions. It had the original firmware installed. OK, I will upgrade the firmware per the instructions. A little background first. I am a network admin by profession and I upgrade software and hardware all the time. I followed the instructions to the letter and the first attempt failed. As per Lonnie's instructions I turned off the power switch on the back and rebooted my laptop. I turned on the switch on the back of the UMC-1 and viola no power. I tried a different receptacle, power cord, nothing. So now I have a dead UMC-1. I have owned this damn thing a month and it has only been usable a couple of days. I am so frustrated I want to throw it through the wall at this point.
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Post by majestyk on Feb 14, 2010 17:36:19 GMT -5
IMO, they should send you another one right now, before sending yours back. And an updated one too.
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Post by billmac on Feb 14, 2010 19:23:05 GMT -5
I have used both MCACC and Audyssey room correction systems in my HT room. I have never seen some of the issues that Emo-Q has with either one. I have not been told my speakers are out of phase, have settings for speakers that are not there, had an issue with test tones sending my amp into protect mode or having my R Front speaker set at 250Hz and the L Front at 80Hz. So I tend to think Emo-Q is much more inconsistent than other room correction systems available now. Bill |
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Post by moodyman on Feb 14, 2010 19:34:39 GMT -5
Wish I could share in many people's joy with the upgrade but I can't. Having just received my UMC-1 back from Emotiva after a loss of sound which caused me to send it back in to be repaired. The digital sound board was replaced. So far so good I thought. I unpacked it today and checked the firmware level per Lonnie's instructions. It had the original firmware installed. OK, I will upgrade the firmware per the instructions. A little background first. I am a network admin by profession and I upgrade software and hardware all the time. I followed the instructions to the letter and the first attempt failed. As per Lonnie's instructions I turned off the power switch on the back and rebooted my laptop. I turned on the switch on the back of the UMC-1 and viola no power. I tried a different receptacle, power cord, nothing. So now I have dead UMC-1. I have owned this damn thing a month and it has only been usable a couple of days. I am so frustrated I want to throw it through the wall at this point. I 'd demand a brand new one... |
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Post by bobbart on Feb 14, 2010 20:01:52 GMT -5
Wish I could share in many people's joy with the upgrade but I can't. Having just received my UMC-1 back from Emotiva after a loss of sound which caused me to send it back in to be repaired. The digital sound board was replaced. So far so good I thought. I unpacked it today and checked the firmware level per Lonnie's instructions. It had the original firmware installed. OK, I will upgrade the firmware per the instructions. A little background first. I am a network admin by profession and I upgrade software and hardware all the time. I followed the instructions to the letter and the first attempt failed. As per Lonnie's instructions I turned off the power switch on the back and rebooted my laptop. I turned on the switch on the back of the UMC-1 and viola no power. I tried a different receptacle, power cord, nothing. So now I have dead UMC-1. I have owned this damn thing a month and it has only been usable a couple of days. I am so frustrated I want to throw it through the wall at this point. That sucks. They are getting mine back for repair on Tuesday. One of my fears is that I'm going to get it back and it will still have some kind of problem. How long did the repair take and why didn't they load the new firmware on it? |
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Post by puft54cs on Feb 14, 2010 21:01:13 GMT -5
From the day I shipped it back till it was returned was about 2 weeks. I was rather surprised that they didn't upgrade the firmware while they were working on it, but perhaps it wasn't ready yet. I received it back last Thursday.
At this point I don't know if I should just return it and do something else or get this one replaced. I have other Emotiva products and I am very happy with them.
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Post by roadrunner on Feb 14, 2010 21:24:53 GMT -5
I have used both MCACC and Audyssey room correction systems in my HT room. I have never seen some of the issues that Emo-Q has with either one. I have not been told my speakers are out of phase, have settings for speakers that are not there, had an issue with test tones sending my amp into protect mode or having my R Front speaker set at 250Hz and the L Front at 80Hz. So I tend to think Emo-Q is much more inconsistent than other room correction systems available now. Bill Bill You are missing the point of my post. First, you don't own an UMC-1 so you don't know, first hand, what problems Emo-Q has. You are judging it based on what you see on this forum. You have no way to know if Emo-Q is "much more inconsistent" than the other room correction systems. Users of the MCACC AND AUDYSSEY were reporting a large variety of issues when trying to setup their new Pre/pros. There were hundreds of people posting very similar problems that Emo-Q is displaying for some users. Just because you personally did not experience these issues with your system does not mean others did not. If you have been paying attention, we have had UMC-1 owners who posted that Emo-Q worked flawlessly for them. There have also been UMC-1 owners posting varying levels of strange results; and a handful of users having extremely unusual looking results. Again, this is very similar to what I saw while researching AVRs from Denon, Marantz, Onkyo and Yamaha. I too have used the other auto correction products; and, based on my experience, all of them have their problems. I would not trust any of them to correctly set up my room. At best, they are a tool to find a "starting point" from which you can go in and tweak the setting to fit your individual needs. This is this important issue that needs to be understood. |
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Post by snodog on Feb 14, 2010 21:52:51 GMT -5
puft54cs, I am thinking they would probably have replaced it but due to the ridiculous demand and shortage they thought it might just be easier to fix it. I think I would ask for a new one, sometimes you have to get a bit aggressive.
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Post by puft54cs on Feb 14, 2010 23:59:28 GMT -5
Did just that, I sent a PM to Dann, Lonnie, and big Dan expressing my frustration and asked that my unit be replaced with a new one. Dann responded that he couldn't help me get a new unit, but asked if I had left a message with tech support. I didn't, I was going to call tomorrow.
Will see what big Dan's or Lonnie's response is.
I will let you all know.
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Post by Lonnie on Feb 15, 2010 0:13:03 GMT -5
Did just that, I sent a PM to Dann, Lonnie, and big Dan expressing my frustration and asked that my unit be replaced with a new one. Dann responded that he couldn't help me get a new unit, but asked if I had left a message with tech support. I didn't, I was going to call tomorrow. Will see what big Dan's or Lonnie's response is. I will let you all know. Actually, I just said I couldn't do much of anything on my own, and to contact customer support/techs. |
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Post by RayoVac on Feb 15, 2010 0:33:33 GMT -5
I have used both MCACC and Audyssey room correction systems in my HT room. I have never seen some of the issues that Emo-Q has with either one. I have not been told my speakers are out of phase, have settings for speakers that are not there, had an issue with test tones sending my amp into protect mode or having my R Front speaker set at 250Hz and the L Front at 80Hz. So I tend to think Emo-Q is much more inconsistent than other room correction systems available now. Bill Bill You are missing the point of my post. First, you don't own an UMC-1 so you don't know, first hand, what problems Emo-Q has. You are judging it based on what you see on this forum. You have no way to know if Emo-Q is "much more inconsistent" than the other room correction systems. Users of the MCACC AND AUDYSSEY were reporting a large variety of issues when trying to setup their new Pre/pros. There were hundreds of people posting very similar problems that Emo-Q is displaying for some users. Just because you personally did not experience these issues with your system does not mean others did not. If you have been paying attention, we have had UMC-1 owners who posted that Emo-Q worked flawlessly for them. There have also been UMC-1 owners posting varying levels of strange results; and a handful of users having extremely unusual looking results. Again, this is very similar to what I saw while researching AVRs from Denon, Marantz, Onkyo and Yamaha. I too have used the other auto correction products; and, based on my experience, all of them have their problems. I would not trust any of them to correctly set up my room. At best, they are a tool to find a "starting point" from which you can go in and tweak the setting to fit your individual needs. This is this important issue that needs to be understood. Very nicely stated. Hammer -> Nail |
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Post by hemster on Feb 15, 2010 0:58:48 GMT -5
So after running EMO-Q 3 times, using the starting point obtained therein, I made some adjustments using a measuring tape and a sound meter. I enjoyed watching a couple of DVDs and listening to music on my upgraded UMC-1 over the weekend. I am in awe! I was pinching myself as I couldn't believe the SQ! I have yet to do some comparisons between the OPPO BD83 and the UMC-1 for video processing. For now I'm letting the UMC handle video and it's good... really good! This coming weekend I will program the remote using discrete codes. Funtime indeed!  Next up, Emotiva subs...  |
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Post by ksuvet on Feb 15, 2010 1:24:39 GMT -5
I always thought setting the crossover to a value, like 80Hz, would then filter the lower frequencies off to the LFE channel. Basically, everything below the crossover gets pushed to the sub [please, no lectures on rolloff and slopes, etc]. So why is there a crossover value even available for the subwoofer in the settings??? If the sub value is set to 70Hz like I saw in one photo in this thread, where is all THAT audio info going to? This makes no sense to me. Anyone care to expand on this or provide a n00b link? I had the same question, and the replies on p.23 still don't explain to me why I need the separate subwoofer crossover setting or what it does differently. Thanks. |
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Post by hemster on Feb 15, 2010 1:46:17 GMT -5
I always thought setting the crossover to a value, like 80Hz, would then filter the lower frequencies off to the LFE channel. Basically, everything below the crossover gets pushed to the sub [please, no lectures on rolloff and slopes, etc]. So why is there a crossover value even available for the subwoofer in the settings??? If the sub value is set to 70Hz like I saw in one photo in this thread, where is all THAT audio info going to? This makes no sense to me. Anyone care to expand on this or provide a n00b link? I had the same question, and the replies on p.23 still don't explain to me why I need the separate subwoofer crossover setting or what it does differently. Thanks. Firstly, Google is your friend! That said, below is a summary explaining this. You can read further details at forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/34579/109297.htmlThe only occasion where you will need to use the subwoofer's built-in crossover control is when you are not using a line-level "Sub Out" connection from an A/V receiver. If you are running an older two-channel stereo receiver or an integrated amplifier that lacks a subwoofer output jack, connect the subwoofer by running the receiver's left and right speaker cables to the subwoofer's high-level or "speaker-level" input connectors. A second set of speaker cables would then run between the subwoofer and your main left and right front speakers. In this scenario, you would adjust the subwoofer crossover control to achieve a smooth blend between your main speaker's bass output and the subwoofer's deep bass output. Setting the sub's crossover control to the 80-Hz position is a good place to start. If you use a crossover frequency much higher than 80 Hz, deep bass will start to be directional, so you risk hearing the subwoofer as a "source" of sound, which is what you want to avoid. Of course, if you have your subwoofer at the front of the room near your main speakers, it doesn't matter if the sub's output becomes directional. You can use a higher crossover frequency if you get a smoother transition between the mains and the sub. HTH... |
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Post by ksuvet on Feb 15, 2010 1:58:04 GMT -5
Yeah, I tried Google and a search on AVS. Were either extensive? No. ;D However, I'm talking about the settings in the UMC not a subwoofer crossover on the subwoofer itself. See pics by Ratmice on post #446 or the manual page #33
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Post by billmac on Feb 15, 2010 5:04:11 GMT -5
No I do not own the UMC-1. Yes I did base my thoughts on what I have read here (as many others do as well) and what I have read the general consenus is that Emo-Q in its present form is not working correctly. Only a diehard Emotiva fan would not admit that Emo-Q does not have serious issues. Could be that I missed some posts of people having issues with MCACC and Audyssey but as I said I have not seen the issues I mentioned in my earlier post. I must have missed the posts of Emo-Q working flawlessly. I have seen posts of UMC-1 owners getting good results but then if they did another calibration the results were totally different than the calibration they just took. Then doing a third calibration the results were totally different from the first two calibrations. This clearly shows that there are serious issues with the Emo-Q system. Again the consenus I see here is that most UMC-1 owners who bought the UMC-1 expecting Emo-Q to work consistently without having to take the time to RTA their systems are disappointed. I also read quite a bit about Audyssey when I felt I was not using the system correctly. The one thing I never read was someone doing multiple calibrations one after another from the same exact mic location and getting totally different results everytime. By that I do not mean slightly different SPL levels, speaker distances or crossover differences. I mean one measurement with speakers not used being shown, huge differences in crossover settings and speaker distances. I also have read of some taking measurements with no phase issues than they take another measurement and there are phase issues. I understand fully that there is no perfect auto room correction system. Whether someone is happy with the way an automated calibration system calibrates their system or whether they prefer to tweak it more is all a matter of preference. What I think most people expect is consistent results and that is not what Emo-Q is capable of doing from what I have read. If you are not understanding that then you are not reading the posts here about Emo-Q in this forum. Bill |
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Post by venaka on Feb 15, 2010 7:29:14 GMT -5
you dont have a umc, ur done already..nail+hammer=done.  assumptions, you know what they are. |
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Post by rk1981 on Feb 15, 2010 7:41:52 GMT -5
Wish I could share in many people's joy with the upgrade but I can't. Having just received my UMC-1 back from Emotiva after a loss of sound which caused me to send it back in to be repaired. The digital sound board was replaced. So far so good I thought. I unpacked it today and checked the firmware level per Lonnie's instructions. It had the original firmware installed. OK, I will upgrade the firmware per the instructions. A little background first. I am a network admin by profession and I upgrade software and hardware all the time. I followed the instructions to the letter and the first attempt failed. As per Lonnie's instructions I turned off the power switch on the back and rebooted my laptop. I turned o I had to hold the USB pn the switch on the back of the UMC-1 and viola no power. I tried a different receptacle, power cord, nothing. So now I have a dead UMC-1. I have owned this damn thing a month and it has only been usable a couple of days. I am so frustrated I want to throw it through the wall at this point. I actually got mine to come back after switching USB ports and starting the upgrade again. It must have cycled the power back on. After I got power, I unhooked everything, then used my desktop computer and upgraded. I also had to hold the USB connection on the UMC-1 to get it to load the update. |
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Post by billmac on Feb 15, 2010 9:53:10 GMT -5
you dont have a umc, ur done already..nail+hammer=done. assumptions, you know what they are. OK, the maturity level on this forum from select members makes me laugh at times . Assumptions? Maybe you are not reading the recent posts here regarding Emo-Q  . I'm done, mind telling me why that is. So someone is not supposed to comment on the UMC-1 if they do not own one? If I was here going on about how great the UMC-1 is or slamming Denon, Marantz, Onkyo or Pioneer that would be no problem right . Bill |
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. I'm done, mind telling me why that is. So someone is not supposed to comment on the UMC-1 if they do not own one? If I was here going on about how great the UMC-1 is or slamming Denon, Marantz, Onkyo or Pioneer that would be no problem right 