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Post by raylock on Feb 22, 2010 10:47:40 GMT -5
I am really sorry some people are having issues with their EQ, but I'll say it again the this is NOT an issue in all units as mine works as intended. This thread gives the impression that all units are defective in some way. They are not. If you have the time it would be educational for me to see a graph showing that the subwoofer trims work. We have seen graphs where they do not appear to work. I don't doubt those who say their trim doesn't work and I certainly don't doubt you that your's do work. I would just like to visually see the difference. Thanks, if you can. Ray |
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Post by osogovo on Feb 22, 2010 11:55:16 GMT -5
 This is interesting.I just ran the EmoEQ again and it finally made changes to the sub frequency chart.That was my fifth try with the EmoEQ ,and for the first time actually made any changes to the sub .Prior to this it left the sub frequency flat. ;D
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Post by Samuel on Feb 22, 2010 13:05:18 GMT -5
My sub freq. wouldnt adjust either, till I found the reason. Some of the different modes or not adjustable, when mine wouldn't adjust it was in direct mode, when I switched to another mode all was working fine. In setup menu select 2. Mode and pick one, I just tested with Stereo. Hope this helps.
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Post by bfisher on Feb 22, 2010 15:13:15 GMT -5
I disagree - I think it is good that dyohn posts that his is not affected. It does help narrow down the problem and also reassures people that it can work as intended however some are having issues.
Forums are great, but I'd call Emo if you are having an issue like this...
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Post by moodyman on Feb 22, 2010 15:40:19 GMT -5
My sub freq. wouldnt adjust either, till I found the reason. Some of the different modes or not adjustable, when mine wouldn't adjust it was in direct mode, when I switched to another mode all was working fine. In setup menu select 2. Mode and pick one, I just tested with Stereo. Hope this helps. You are correct Sam..when in DIRECT mode there is no bass managment . I did all my testing in STEREO mode on the Analog 2 (CD) right input...there should be BASS management functions when using STEREO mode. |
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Post by solidstate on Feb 22, 2010 18:56:34 GMT -5
When adjusting these fields for LFE/bass management, do you just change the fields and back outta the menu via "cancel" or "exit" or is there a "Save", "OK" or "Apply" etc function? Maybe it's simply pressing the "ok" or "enter" on the remote dpad (in the center) with cursor on the right field and it's not reflected in the GUI. Perhaps people just don't know what remote or keypress is required for it to save. Possibly people are adjusting the fields and simply canceling their way back outta the menu and not saving the fields/variables. Maybe? Possibly? Perhaps? LOL
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Post by solidstate on Feb 22, 2010 19:06:19 GMT -5
This is interesting.I just ran the EmoEQ again and it finally made changes to the sub frequency chart.That was my fifth try with the EmoEQ ,and for the first time actually made any changes to the sub .Prior to this it left the sub frequency flat. ;D Maybe each time your ran it you didn't save the results but backed outta the menu without saving it friend... The more I read and listen here the more I believe people are simply not understanding how to save changes and how to back outta the menu and save settings. People are canceling out of the menus and not saving field/variable changes. As soon as I have one I'll know for certain if this is the case but it only makes sense to me IMHO this is what's going on. I don't understand how it could not work not work not work then all of a sudden work. The time it worked you obviously used the GUI in the right way and saved the setting and the other times you did not. Could be Emo but if that's the case why are others like dyohn with the same unit same firmware reporting no problems. People are not understanding how to save field changes in the UI IMHO. |
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Post by moodyman on Feb 22, 2010 19:36:13 GMT -5
This is interesting.I just ran the EmoEQ again and it finally made changes to the sub frequency chart.That was my fifth try with the EmoEQ ,and for the first time actually made any changes to the sub .Prior to this it left the sub frequency flat. ;D Maybe each time your ran it you didn't save the results but backed outta the menu without saving it friend... The more I read and listen here the more I believe people are simply not understanding how to save changes and how to back outta the menu and save settings. People are canceling out of the menus and not saving field/variable changes. As soon as I have one I'll know for certain if this is the case but it only makes sense to me IMHO this is what's going on. I don't understand how it could not work not work not work then all of a sudden work. The time it worked you obviously used the GUI in the right way and saved the setting and the other times you did not. Could be Emo but if that's the case why are others like dyohn with the same unit same firmware reporting no problems. People are not understanding how to save field changes in the UI IMHO. Solidstate....just stop right there I tried saving the settings every which way I could think of. Regardless they should work on the fly...as you change the EQ sliders the adjustment should be immediate to the signal. I confirmed this by making changes to the front right equalizer sliders... |
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Post by solidstate on Feb 22, 2010 19:57:12 GMT -5
Maybe each time your ran it you didn't save the results but backed outta the menu without saving it friend... The more I read and listen here the more I believe people are simply not understanding how to save changes and how to back outta the menu and save settings. People are canceling out of the menus and not saving field/variable changes. As soon as I have one I'll know for certain if this is the case but it only makes sense to me IMHO this is what's going on. I don't understand how it could not work not work not work then all of a sudden work. The time it worked you obviously used the GUI in the right way and saved the setting and the other times you did not. Could be Emo but if that's the case why are others like dyohn with the same unit same firmware reporting no problems. People are not understanding how to save field changes in the UI IMHO. Solidstate....just stop right there I tried saving the settings every which way I could think of. Regardless they should work on the fly...as you change the EQ sliders the adjustment should be immediate to the signal. I confirmed this by making changes to the front right equalizer sliders... No one is saying the adjustments are not made on the fly whilst in the menu to do so. What I'm saying is that when you leave that part of the menu what do you hit to save it? I'd assume people can enter menus to check out the current setting and also back out without it saving. It's all speculation until I have one in house and can use it for myself. It is a valid explanation though for why others work and some not. |
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Post by solidstate on Feb 22, 2010 20:23:35 GMT -5
When a field is being modified it's orange and it's name or text label is yellow. After changing variable you have to hit ENTER then it goes blue again and name or text label your looking at is orange. If you enter a field adjust it and then hit exit on remote it won't save.... you have to hit enter and let it go blue and have it's label orange. If you are in field/variable adjustment and you change it and it's still orange (have not hit enter yet) and you hit exit without deselecting and saving it by hitting enter it won't save! Even after that I'd hit left dpad left dpad left (or return?) return (NOT EXIT!) as some vars might not save unit submenu is exited properly and again hitting exit might not save it! (you use return button not exit!)
PS I've seen this UI behavior in old denon units like the AVR-4306 as in a submenu adjustment had to be exited backwards through UI the right way because if you just hit exit/cancel it wouldn't save/stick.
PSS Return and Exit button do to different things ppl! don't make field adjustment and not hit enter and then just hit exit! Adjust field hit enter then hit return. DON'T HIT EXIT! DUH!
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Post by moodyman on Feb 22, 2010 20:46:21 GMT -5
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Post by solidstate on Feb 22, 2010 20:50:32 GMT -5
Well the sub EQ is broken until firmware update I guess but my points regarding GUI are valid IMHO. If what you are reporting is true why do others with the same firmware as you not reporting this? |
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Post by solidstate on Feb 22, 2010 20:51:18 GMT -5
You must be in direct mode (disables sub xover) The default setting for an input in PCM (any redbook etc SP/DIF or HDMI is direct (sub xover disabled). To adjust enter "Advanced Playback" for the input then make sure "PCM" isn't set to direct but anything other! (stereo would be smart) LOL That's a stupid "boxed" default. I suggest you watch this video. emotiva.com/umcvideo.shtmPS THE DEFAULT FOR PCM FOR AN INPUT IS BLOODY DIRECT WITH SUB XOVER/EQ DISABLED!!! CHANGE IT TO STEREO FOR LFE/Bass XOVER TO BE ENABLED! IN OTHER WORDS FOR EVERY INPUT PLEASE CHANGE PCM FROM DIRECT TO STEREO IN ADVANCED PLAYBACK menu! |
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Post by moodyman on Feb 22, 2010 21:01:00 GMT -5
You must be in direct mode (disables sub xover) The default setting for an input in PCM is direct (sub xover disabled). To adjust enter "Advanced Playback" for the input then make sure "PCM" isn't set to direct but anything other! (stereo would be smart) LOL That's a stupid "boxed" default. I suggest you watch this video. emotiva.com/umcvideo.shtmNo..if you were to read my posts you would know that I specifically stated I was NOT in direct mode but in STEREO the whole time. Please do not comment anymore until you have read through the thread..especially the very first post of this thread. Thank you |
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Post by solidstate on Feb 22, 2010 21:05:23 GMT -5
You must be in direct mode (disables sub xover) The default setting for an input in PCM is direct (sub xover disabled). To adjust enter "Advanced Playback" for the input then make sure "PCM" isn't set to direct but anything other! (stereo would be smart) LOL That's a stupid "boxed" default. I suggest you watch this video. emotiva.com/umcvideo.shtmNo..if you were to read my posts you would know that I specifically stated I was NOT in direct mode but in STEREO the whole time. Please do not comment anymore until you have read through the thread.. Thank you Forget what mode you manually set it when it's running. Please enter "advanced playback" settings menu then for the input your having LFE/bass xover/EQ problems and make sure the field labeled PCM is set to stereo and not direct and direct is the boxed defaults for all inputs using PCM! I'd change everymode to anything other than direct actually... Please check and tell me what that setting is set to for the culprit input. PS Emo that was a BAD MOVE to have the defaults for all inputs with PCM stream set to direct mode with xover/EQ disabled on the LFE!! I hope people read this as I believe it's the issue! |
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Post by moodyman on Feb 22, 2010 21:10:39 GMT -5
No..if you were to read my posts you would know that I specifically stated I was NOT in direct mode but in STEREO the whole time. Please do not comment anymore until you have read through the thread.. Thank you Forget what mode you manually set it when it's running. Please enter "advanced playback" settings menu then for the input your having LFE/bass xover/EQ problems and make sure the field labeled PCM is set to stereo and not direct and direct is the boxed defaults for all inputs using PCM! I'd change everymode to anything other than direct actually... Please check and tell me what that setting is set to for the culprit input. PS Emo that was a BAD MOVE to have the defaults for all inputs with PCM stream set to direct mode with xover/EQ disabled on the LFE!! I hope people read this as I believe it's the issue! I'M NOT USING PCM/DIGITAL !! READ THE FIRST POST!! I used the advanced playback menu to set the analog input mode to Stereo... |
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Post by ratmice on Feb 22, 2010 21:25:36 GMT -5
Forget what mode you manually set it when it's running. Please enter "advanced playback" settings menu then for the input your having LFE/bass xover/EQ problems and make sure the field labeled PCM is set to stereo and not direct and direct is the boxed defaults for all inputs using PCM! I'd change everymode to anything other than direct actually... Please check and tell me what that setting is set to for the culprit input. PS Emo that was a BAD MOVE to have the defaults for all inputs with PCM stream set to direct mode with xover/EQ disabled on the LFE!! I hope people read this as I believe it's the issue! I'M NOT USING PCM/DIGITAL !! READ THE FIRST POST!! I used the advanced playback menu to set the analog input mode to Stereo... Don't waste your breath, just back away slowly... |
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Post by solidstate on Feb 22, 2010 21:28:49 GMT -5
Ok I understand. Try it with a TOS/link and see if it still does it. So I take it this means on an analog source the sub EQ/xover is broken with current firmware. Please try TOS/link or coaxial SP/DIF and see if it's the same results.
And when your adjusting advanced playback settings your adjusting the right input text label right and it's mapped to the input your using? as it's not global and if you look at the top of that menu "Advanced Playback" you can change the input as it's a per input thing and not global.
PS please be patient as I'm just a good citizen trying to HELP YOU!
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Post by snodog on Feb 22, 2010 21:35:29 GMT -5
Solidstate is only trying to help by saying maybe its just something overlooked. What happened with the call or letter from Emotiva? I would call vs an email as it seems its a bad one. If you followed the instructions and it didnt work then it doesnt work..
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Post by moodyman on Feb 22, 2010 21:41:20 GMT -5
Solidstate is only trying to help by saying maybe its just something overlooked. What happened with the call or letter from Emotiva? I would call vs an email as it seems its a bad one. If you followed the instructions and it didnt work then it doesnt work.. I welcome anybodies input....but they must read through the thread first before suggesting things or implying its user error.  Sent e-mail last night (Sunday)..haven't heard anything back yet. |
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This is interesting.I just ran the EmoEQ again and it finally made changes to the sub frequency chart.That was my fifth try with the EmoEQ ,and for the first time actually made any changes to the sub .Prior to this it left the sub frequency flat. ;D
