oppo special edition vs erc-1

[maggieuser]

I see that the general consensus is that the erc-1 is better for 2 channel listening than the oppo
bdp 83 but has anyone compared the erc-1 to the oppo bdp83se. In other words what is a better buy $900 for a bdp83se or $900 for a bdp83 and a erc-1

[Animo]

6 of 1
half dozen of the other.
I guess it would depend on how much real estate you have in your rack system. For the record, I have the 2 unit $900 combo. Realize that the Oppo does not play HDCDs and the ERC does. That is what I based my choices on.

[hpc]

The Oppo 83/83SE support and play HDCD - I have several Reference Recordings
CD's which are recorded in HDCD; and both units decode HDCD.

[kse]

This is one topic that I continue to wrestle with. I have an -83, and in my mind, CD-quality thru the 2ch. analog is absolutely dynamite. That being said, I have read the many feedback opinions on the ERC-1 and realize that it is held in very high regard for it's playback capabilities. More than a few have noted playback that bests the -83. And if there is an affordable player (ERC-1) that I can put to my system that will make it sound better, then that is truly an awesome player. Affordable being the key word here.

I am very tempted to buy one because I just have to do an A/B comparison with the two to see for myself. If I can't tell a difference I know I can either return it to Emotiva, or sell it and get most of the money back.

Hmmmmm, what to do, what to do......

[Mike Ronesia]

Mar 8, 2010 18:46:34 GMT -5 Animo said:

6 of 1
half dozen of the other.

Also try "Six in one hand, half dozen in the other" or "Same same".

I just say "61" and all my friends and family know what I mean. ;D They've started to use it to.

Oh, I have the ERC-1 and plan on getting the 80 instead of the 83 or 83se.

[hemster]

kse, I too have struggled with the same dilemma. I did have the opportunity to listen to the ERC-1 at AXPONA last weekend. It is an amazing CD player. I do not own a lot of CDs but am considering the ERC-1 at some point and extending my CD collection.

[MikeWI]

What is AXPONA?

Mike

*EDIT*
Sorry, found it: www.axpona.com/

I had never heard of it before.

[ntrain42]

The Oppo SE is only marginally(at best and this is even debateable) worthwhile if your using the analog outputs. But if your going to use the digital out, there is 0 point in buying the SE.

Personally Id just get an Oppo 83 and go digital out into a quality processor with good DACs and bypass the ERC-1 altogether. In fact used the money saved from not buying an ERC-1 and grab a good processor with Burr Brown DACs.

[NorthStar]

I'm contemplating to add the ERC-1 to my system (I also have over 500 HDCDs).

Anyone with an objection?

* Strictly Analog.

[Animo]

Mar 9, 2010 9:15:08 GMT -5 ntrain42 said:

The Oppo SE is only marginally(at best and this is even debateable) worthwhile if your using the analog outputs. But if your going to use the digital out, there is 0 point in buying the SE.

Personally Id just get an Oppo 83 and go digital out into a quality processor with good DACs and bypass the ERC-1 altogether. In fact used the money saved from not buying an ERC-1 and grab a good processor with Burr Brown DACs.

What is your fixation with Burr Brown DACs, and which one in particular? I think there are better DACs out there like the Wolfson, and the new ESS Sabre DACs.

[NorthStar]

Mar 14, 2010 17:36:05 GMT -5 Animo said:

What is your fixation with Burr Brown DACs, and which one in particular? I think there are better DACs out there like the Wolfson, and the new ESS Sabre DACs.

DACs are one of my specialty. It's all about implementation and the analog stage circuitry integrated with other quality parts.

None is really better than the other one.

By the way, the ESS Sabre DACs, not that great if you ask me, plus they are flawed. But like I said, it's all about implementation.

Just saying...

[Lonnie]

Mar 15, 2010 20:43:31 GMT -5 NorthStar said:

Mar 14, 2010 17:36:05 GMT -5 Animo said:

What is your fixation with Burr Brown DACs, and which one in particular? I think there are better DACs out there like the Wolfson, and the new ESS Sabre DACs.

DACs are one of my specialty. It's all about implementation and the analog stage circuitry integrated with other quality parts.

None is really better than the other one.

By the way, the ESS Sabre DACs, not that great if you ask me, plus they are flawed. But like I said, it's all about implementation.

Just saying...

Personally I like the way the ADI and AKM DACs sound, but that is just my opinion. ;D Not that the Burr Browns are bad in anyway becuase they aren't. I have played with the Sabre, but it really didn't have what I was looking for.

[littlesaint]

Burr Brown (TI actually) is just a name. They make good DACs and the make marginal DACs, just like all the other big boys like Wolfson and Analog Devices. Without specifying which model DAC you're talking about, the name is meaningless.

[DYohn]

Mar 16, 2010 12:13:52 GMT -5 littlesaint said:

Burr Brown (TI actually) is just a name. They make good DACs and the make marginal DACs, just like all the other big boys like Wolfson and Analog Devices. Without specifying which model DAC you're talking about, the name is meaningless.

TI has been very successful marketing the name...

[roadrunner]

kse and those still sitting on the fence,

The ERC-1 is one of the best CD Players you can buy and is a steal when compared to other CD Players capable of challenging its sound quality. I also highly recommend that you use analog all the way. Your ears will thank you.

I have heard the ERC-1 (in the same exact system) hooked to an INTEGRA 9.8, both analog and digital, and also hooked to the Emotiva USP-1 (strictly analog). The sound quality is excellent with any hook up scenario, but is instantly noticeably better sound via analog; and, when connected through the USP-1 the sound reaches a new plateau. If you own a quality 2-channel preamp use the ERC-1 with it or consider buying the USP-1.

Listening to high quality media through the ERC-1/USP-1 bundle is truly analog bliss. I was stunned the first time I heard music via this bundle. It was, by far, the best my CDs had ever sounded. When listening to HDCD encoded media, this bundle sounded so good it challenges SACD releases of the same title. The first month I owned the ERC-1 I spent close to 200 hours rediscovering my CD music collection -- pure nirvana.

After buying the ERC-1 you will want to check out HDCD releases. Your ears will love the improvement they bring to the table. My favorite Internet site for purchasing HDCD encoded media is Reference Recordings. Click on the link below to check out their library.

www.referencerecordings.com/default.asp

Absolute Sound and Stereo Mojo gives their highest recommendations to every Reference Recordings release that they review. In the past few months, I have purchased over 50 of their HDCD releases and everyone of them are "Demo Quality" recordings -- first rate in every area.

[hemster]

^ roadrunner, thanks for the link. Very interesting site. I'm sure I'll be stimulating the economy on their web site soon! ;D

[ntrain42]

Mar 14, 2010 17:36:05 GMT -5 Animo said:

Mar 9, 2010 9:15:08 GMT -5 ntrain42 said:

The Oppo SE is only marginally(at best and this is even debateable) worthwhile if your using the analog outputs. But if your going to use the digital out, there is 0 point in buying the SE.

Personally Id just get an Oppo 83 and go digital out into a quality processor with good DACs and bypass the ERC-1 altogether. In fact used the money saved from not buying an ERC-1 and grab a good processor with Burr Brown DACs.

What is your fixation with Burr Brown DACs, and which one in particular? I think there are better DACs out there like the Wolfson, and the new ESS Sabre DACs.

Wolfsen? No way. Wolfson DACs tend to compress the soundstage inwards noticeably and the treble always seems to be unnaturally bright with the source and pre/pros that use them.

The reason why Im such a big fan of Burr Brown DACs, is that the soundstage is consistently wide and open......almost to a fault. And I alwasy find that individual sounds are seperated from each other with greater clarity, and the bass,treble and midrange always have a good natural balance to them.

I agree that implmentation is the key and its not just the DACs themselves that create the sound I look for, but pretty much every CD player or Pre/pro that uses Burr Brown DACs tend to have that real natural open soundstage presentation.

[bigred7078]

Mar 16, 2010 21:45:01 GMT -5 ntrain42 said:

Mar 14, 2010 17:36:05 GMT -5 Animo said:

What is your fixation with Burr Brown DACs, and which one in particular? I think there are better DACs out there like the Wolfson, and the new ESS Sabre DACs.

Wolfsen? No way. Wolfson DACs tend to compress the soundstage inwards noticeably and the treble always seems to be unnaturally bright with the source and pre/pros that use them.

The reason why Im such a big fan of Burr Brown DACs, is that the soundstage is consistently wide and open......almost to a fault. And I alwasy find that individual sounds are seperated from each other with greater clarity, and the bass,treble and midrange always have a good natural balance to them.

I agree that implmentation is the key and its not just the DACs themselves that create the sound I look for, but pretty much every CD player or Pre/pro that uses Burr Brown DACs tend to have that real natural open soundstage presentation.

LOL ntrain... You've been darn good around here lately but... This quoted post is just....ridiculous. I don't even know what else to say.

[taoggniklat]

Mar 16, 2010 23:34:56 GMT -5 bigred7078 said:

Mar 16, 2010 21:45:01 GMT -5 ntrain42 said:

Wolfsen? No way. Wolfson DACs tend to compress the soundstage inwards noticeably and the treble always seems to be unnaturally bright with the source and pre/pros that use them.

The reason why Im such a big fan of Burr Brown DACs, is that the soundstage is consistently wide and open......almost to a fault. And I alwasy find that individual sounds are seperated from each other with greater clarity, and the bass,treble and midrange always have a good natural balance to them.

I agree that implmentation is the key and its not just the DACs themselves that create the sound I look for, but pretty much every CD player or Pre/pro that uses Burr Brown DACs tend to have that real natural open soundstage presentation.

LOL ntrain... You've been darn good around here lately but... This quoted post is just....ridiculous. I don't even know what else to say.

Well for starters you could say the reasons why you disagree with his statements about the Burr-Browns instead of calling him "ridiculous". That would be more useful to the rest of us.

[bigred7078]

Mar 16, 2010 23:45:00 GMT -5 taoggniklat said:

Mar 16, 2010 23:34:56 GMT -5 bigred7078 said:

LOL ntrain... You've been darn good around here lately but... This quoted post is just....ridiculous. I don't even know what else to say.

Well for starters you could say the reasons why you disagree with his statements about the Burr-Browns instead of calling him "ridiculous". That would be more useful to the rest of us.

"He" is not ridiculous. His statement is.

Animo said it already.... there are MANY versions of Burr-Browns.
How can one say they are the best? Yes TI makes some awesome dacs, but they also make some cheaper models as well.

Wolfson makes some highly regarded dacs, but just like Burr-Brown they make more than one model. But to call the company out for making a compressed sounding unit? Eh, thats just chicanery.

The point is you cannot just lump them together and make a statement like that. Its ridiculous because everyone has different systems that each can obtain different results depending on the model in question.