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Post by jethro on Oct 15, 2010 12:15:39 GMT -5
... and you can get an HDMI adapter for the Wii too. Exactly. I just don't see what there is to argue about really. It either is something that fits your needs or doesn't. If I go to buy a car and have decided that it has to be all wheel drive because sometimes I need that feature, I don't look at 2 wheel drive vehicles and *bleep* because they didn't make them AWD... I just look for an AWD vehicle. It's totally understandable that some people may not be able to use the xmc-1 as they have a bunch of legacy stuff... so they should go buy something else. Pretty simple.
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Post by ratmice on Oct 15, 2010 13:16:49 GMT -5
... and you can get an HDMI adapter for the Wii too. Exactly. I just don't see what there is to argue about really. It either is something that fits your needs or doesn't. If I go to buy a car and have decided that it has to be all wheel drive because sometimes I need that feature, I don't look at 2 wheel drive vehicles and *bleep* because they didn't make them AWD... I just look for an AWD vehicle. It's totally understandable that some people may not be able to use the xmc-1 as they have a bunch of legacy stuff... so they should go buy something else. Pretty simple. This thing is not built, yet, so people are discussing what they would like to see in it. If <car company> was designing a new model that was only 2WD would you ask if they were considering a AWD model?
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Post by jamrock on Oct 15, 2010 16:42:20 GMT -5
Hopefully to to clear a little confusion, with appolgies if someone has done this way back in the depths of this lengthy thread: Program material is generally mastered once, in HD to a high quality storage media. If original is film, then it's what we used to call "fil-to-tape" transfers, though now it's more like "film-to-digits", with the storage possibilites being numerous. To have to do this as few times as needed, the transfer from film, budget permitting, is made at the higheset possible quality, so that DVD or Blu ray you watch may have been mastered in 4K. From that one master, copies can be made so that edits are done, if needed, to accomodate the requirements of a specific release channel (e.g. pay channels vs. physical media distribution (DVD & Blu ray), airlines, regional requirements for coding, languages, subtitles, etc.). THEN, depending on the requirements of the distribution channel playback is from the source used by that channel. An interesting point with regard to ICT: A number of years ago at the HPA (Hollywood Post Alliance) annual Technology Retreat, where experts from production, post production and distribution gather yearly to see what is coming down the line for the future while figuring out how to deal; with "today", multi-Emmy winner Mark Schubin ran images in his presentation in both "full res" and "ICT'd 'half-res' " to make a point about ICT. In a room full of "golden eyes" many could not tell the difference. Regardless, we have to get used to the fact that it is the studios' football, and they can set the rules of the game any way they like. Thank you 2muchht for a lucid, cogent and instructive response. I never claimed to know everything. And, I believed that I could have been mis-informed on few things on this discussion. I only asked for a more detailed explanation of the facts. Never got it. Even though your response did not answer everything for me, and I believe that you have much more to offer, it is much better than the customary and dismissive responses: Your thinking is wrong. Your rationale is faulty. Go read this article, etc. No one learn from been told; You're wrong! You learn from getting the correct information, and better if it is explained. There must be a more sublime reason other than reduced cost, for Emo to include 7 hdim inputs on the XMC-1 and no legacy. Otherwise, it makes no marketing sense to leave out a significant section of the A/V market which uses legacy connections. Thanks again jamrock
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Post by 2muchht on Oct 15, 2010 19:22:45 GMT -5
jamrock:
Thanks. I would never presume to say that I know everthing, either. NO ONE does. We all have our own pieces of the puzzle, and all that I would ask is that fact be stated as fact, opinion as opinion, and conjecture or second-hand opinion also billed as such. I'll try to live up to my own rules.
Please, no offence meant if it came off that way; just trying to put in the benefit of my experience of spending too many years in the past and present dealing with those sorts of things.
BTW, you say I did not answer all your questions. Please ask and if I can I will be happy to answer them, or perhaps point in the direction of someone/someplace that can.
I'm sure there is some reason to leave out the legacy inputs, and could think of some. However, I would also tend to side with those who are taken aback by their ommission. No one needs S-Video anymore, but I would posite that at least one component is needed for use with Wii, and one composite "just in case" as a lowest common denominator input.
It will be interesting to see how this does or does not get traction in the marketplace. Time will tell the answer, not the opinions here.
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Post by jamrock on Oct 15, 2010 19:58:22 GMT -5
"I'm sure there is some reason to leave out the legacy inputs, and could think of some. However, I would also tend to side with those who are taken aback by their ommission. No one needs S-Video anymore, but I would posite that at least one component is needed for use with Wii, and one composite "just in case" as a lowest common denominator input. It will be interesting to see how this does or does not get traction in the marketplace. Time will tell the answer, not the opinions here" I'm simply at a loss to find a practical reason for not including at least 1 component I/O on the XMC-1. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think that cost is a very good explanation. Not when there are 7 hdmi. I suspect that very few users will need all 7 hdmi inputs! The XMC-1 is not Emo's budget pre/pro. That designation goes to the UMC-1, and it has 5 hdmi and 3 components I/O. I would like to know your thoughts. jamrock
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Post by NorthStar on Oct 15, 2010 20:07:00 GMT -5
Three questions regarding the XMC-1. 1. Will it have HDMI version 1.4 for 3D compatibility? 2. Will it have an AM/FM tuner? 3. Will it have a better and more advanced type of Auto Room EQ & Calibration system (EmoQ or similar)? * Bonus question: Will it have two HDMI outputs? Than you.
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Post by aussie on Oct 15, 2010 20:11:06 GMT -5
I know not many use the older inputs but I still use S-Video and component, as much as I love digital media and I have heaps I still also have a rather large VHS library so while I normally prefer to watch DVD or BD without question I still also watch Video tapes.
With that all said while it would be nice if devices such as the XMC had at least one input for these it wouldnt; stop me from buying them if it didn;t have any as for the small amount of viewing done on these I could just plug it directly into the TV/Monitor.
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Post by jamrock on Oct 15, 2010 20:23:53 GMT -5
Three questions regarding the XMC-1. 1. Will it have HDMI version 1.4 for 3D compatibility? 2. Will it have an AM/FM tuner? 3. Will it have a better and more advanced type of Auto Room EQ & Calibration system (EmoQ or similar)? * Bonus question: Will it have two HDMI outputs? Than you. 1. Yes ;D 2. Yes ;D 3. Yes ;D * I couldn't find the post Emofest picture to confirm. jamrock
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Post by NorthStar on Oct 15, 2010 20:28:48 GMT -5
^ Thank you very much Jamrock! * As for my bonus question, I knew it was a tough one. ...But I sure hope so (EXTREMELY IMPORTANT that it does).
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Post by jethro on Oct 15, 2010 20:39:43 GMT -5
Exactly. I just don't see what there is to argue about really. It either is something that fits your needs or doesn't. If I go to buy a car and have decided that it has to be all wheel drive because sometimes I need that feature, I don't look at 2 wheel drive vehicles and *bleep* because they didn't make them AWD... I just look for an AWD vehicle. It's totally understandable that some people may not be able to use the xmc-1 as they have a bunch of legacy stuff... so they should go buy something else. Pretty simple. This thing is not built, yet, so people are discussing what they would like to see in it. If <car company> was designing a new model that was only 2WD would you ask if they were considering a AWD model? I was under the impression that this unit was going to be legacy-free. I apologize for wasting forum space with my limited understanding of the xmc-1. If a car company was designing a 2WD car I WOULD NOT ask if they would instead consider it to be an AWD vehicle instead. I would look for a different company or model of vehicle that fit my specific needs. I didn't directly answer your question I understand... but you didn't ask it correctly either
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Post by NorthStar on Oct 16, 2010 3:40:51 GMT -5
Will the XMC-1 have an Ethernet port to stream music from various places (world radio) on the Internet?
I know, it's a stupid question! ...As the answer is probably 99.999999999999999999999999999% Yes. ;D
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Post by ratmice on Oct 16, 2010 7:22:41 GMT -5
I was under the impression that this unit was going to be legacy-free. I apologize for wasting forum space with my limited understanding of the xmc-1. If a car company was designing a 2WD car I WOULD NOT ask if they would instead consider it to be an AWD vehicle instead. I would look for a different company or model of vehicle that fit my specific needs. I didn't directly answer your question I understand... but you didn't ask it correctly either I know. Car analogies always suck. The point being that we have seen many of these units change specifications from the time they are conceived to the time they make it into your rack, so no harm in discussing the benefits of features - they just might make it in there. If it becomes glaringly obvious that a large segment of prospective buyers want a certain item, it would make sense to see if accommodations could be made to grab their business.
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Post by jamrock on Oct 16, 2010 8:44:20 GMT -5
Can someone post the front and back pics of the XMC-1 that was released at Emofest?
Thanx, jamrock
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Post by jamrock on Oct 16, 2010 10:46:47 GMT -5
"I'm sure there is some reason to leave out the legacy inputs, and could think of some. However, I would also tend to side with those who are taken aback by their ommission. No one needs S-Video anymore, but I would posite that at least one component is needed for use with Wii, and one composite "just in case" as a lowest common denominator input. It will be interesting to see how this does or does not get traction in the marketplace. Time will tell the answer, not the opinions here" I'm simply at a loss to find a practical reason for not including at least 1 component I/O on the XMC-1. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think that cost is a very good explanation. Not when there are 7 hdmi. I suspect that very few users will need all 7 hdmi inputs! The XMC-1 is not Emo's budget pre/pro. That designation goes to the UMC-1, and it has 5 hdmi and 3 components I/O. I would like to know your thoughts. jamrock Well, look what I found at the Emonatics website: "The current plan is for the XMC-1 to be a home theater audio processor with HDMI 1.4 video switch. It is a legacy-free design for inputs and outputs. There are many reasons for this. The key points are that there is no viable HDMI 1.4 video processor on the market that could be used in the XMC-1 design. So, to do HDMI 1.4 with, for example, the UMC-1's Genesis Torino engine, the XMC-1 would have to route around the HDMI 1.4 switching when video processing is enabled or legacy video inputs or outputs are used. There are also HDMI/HDCP licensing restrictions with regard to HDMI 1.4 use. Nothing is written in stone at this point. Any change to the above description of the XMC-1 would certainly delay its delivery to market and, likely, increase its base offering cost" Now, here is a good reason for no legacy video connections. Best proffer so far! By the way, on the proposed back panel, I saw only 1 HDMI out. I feel pretty sure that this will be corrected, along with the provision of a HD Tuner & Dolby headphone. ;D However, can someone explain whether or not 2 HDMI outs are needed when the HDMI iteration is 1.4a jamrock
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Post by ratmice on Oct 16, 2010 10:58:54 GMT -5
However, can someone explain whether or not 2 HDMI outs are needed when the HDMI iteration is 1.4a jamrock Depends on whether you have more than one display device. Yeah, Mr. projector I'm looking at you.
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Post by billmac on Oct 16, 2010 16:54:50 GMT -5
"The current plan is for the XMC-1 to be a home theater audio processor with HDMI 1.4 video switch. It is a legacy-free design for inputs and outputs. There are many reasons for this. The key points are that there is no viable HDMI 1.4 video processor on the market that could be used in the XMC-1 design. So, to do HDMI 1.4 with, for example, the UMC-1's Genesis Torino engine, the XMC-1 would have to route around the HDMI 1.4 switching when video processing is enabled or legacy video inputs or outputs are used. There are also HDMI/HDCP licensing restrictions with regard to HDMI 1.4 use. Nothing is written in stone at this point. Any change to the above description of the XMC-1 would certainly delay its delivery to market and, likely, increase its base offering cost" Now, here is a good reason for no legacy video connections. Best proffer so far! So if I understand correctly what you are saying is the reason Emotiva is not offering legacy video I/O is because there would be issues implementing them with HDMI 1.4 and Genesis Torino processing? If that is the case why not go with a different video processing option? Other manufacturers such as Denon, Marantz, Onkyo and others seem to be having no problem implementing legacy video I/O with HDMI 1.4. Will the XMC-1 use the same video processing as the UMC-1? Bill
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Post by 2muchht on Oct 16, 2010 17:37:04 GMT -5
Accomodating legacy inputs and HDMI version 1.4 have NOTHING to do with one another.
If you want to include composite, S-Video or component in a product with a video processor, you do what you do with any architecture: the inputs are selected, the selected input, if analog, has to be digitized (ADC or in a combo chip) and deinterlaced, then it goes to the processor, be it a Torino from S/T, an Anchor Bay, an IDT, Marvell, or a whateveryouwant. The output of the processor then goes to the HDMI Tx chip. 1.3 or 1.4? You pick the Tx and that's what you get. Of course, easier to described than to do, but Bill is correct than many are already doing it, and more will in the future.
Same with the "two HDMI outputs" question. The "version" of HDMI in use has NOTHING to do with the ability to do, or not do, this functionality.
I'd be curious to hear what Lonnie is planning for the XMC for which "...there is no viable HDMI 1.4 video processor on the market ...". The processor, itself, does not carry the HDMI desigation, in any case. I'll presume the reference is to the total system architecture, but as others have pointed out, they must have something different and very unusual on their minds since the mix of legacy and HDMI with a video processor hasn't stopped other products from doing just that.
Cost is a factor to do that combination, and that's fine, and if that's the reason, say so. Otherwise, what is the great benefit we'll see int he XMC that is the root cause of this decision?
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Post by ausman on Oct 16, 2010 18:45:59 GMT -5
the biggest question why dual hdmi out wasn't included as standard since everyone and their dogs have it as a standard option, i for 1 would of liked to see the umc/xmc-1 compete with the likes of the onkyo pr-5507/5508, the avp from denon and the 8003 from marantz..
knock off the xlr outputs on the xmc-1 and it would be a glorified hdmi switch..
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Post by Topend on Oct 17, 2010 1:31:36 GMT -5
the biggest question why dual hdmi out wasn't included as standard since everyone and their dogs have it as a standard option, i for 1 would of liked to see the umc/xmc-1 compete with the likes of the onkyo pr-5507/5508, the avp from denon and the 8003 from marantz.. knock off the xlr outputs on the xmc-1 and it would be a glorified hdmi switch.. Maybe just get a HDMI male to 2 HDMI female 'Y' cable. Wouldn't the final result be the same? In my case I just pass through. Dave.
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Post by autocrat on Oct 17, 2010 2:44:21 GMT -5
And if so are the international buyers going to get ripped off again?
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