|
Post by elwicksto on Jun 8, 2012 16:54:47 GMT -5
Here's my white paper....... Same thing if you ask me :-) You prefer yours over rather than under? Me too. my take-away is we have at least 2 lounge members without cats. ;D
|
|
jamrock
Emo VIPs
Courtesy Costs Nothing. Give Generously!
Posts: 4,750
|
Post by jamrock on Jun 8, 2012 16:58:33 GMT -5
It's amazing how such an innocent question can turn into such a debate. I only asked for something that was offered to us. Dave. Some people has nothing to offer but unwarranted negative criticism. You did nothing wrong. In fact, you were more than reasonable. And I believe that Dan & Lonnie welcome your querry ;D
|
|
|
Post by jdskycaster on Jun 8, 2012 17:00:53 GMT -5
So after reading through this thread the only thing missing now is a polling thread asking if Emo should create a white paper for tact.
|
|
klinemj
Emo VIPs
Honorary Emofest Scribe
Posts: 14,773
|
Post by klinemj on Jun 8, 2012 17:05:33 GMT -5
Oh God Rickie...you are right...sheeze...I dread that outcome!
Others - please don't take any of my comments as criticizing anyone who asks to see the white paper. Really - I am just try to get people to shed light on "what, specifically, technically" they are looking to see. So far, I still haven't seen that and it's 3 pages in.
Normally, by this point, we'd have someone like Solidstate chiming in with facts way beyond my comprehension about how a room correction system works, differences between Tact as it exists and 48 versions of OddISee, and what would be the sweet set up if they had their way by writing the code themselves. While I often don't initially understand those posts, at least it gives me a place to start learning.
Mark
|
|
|
Post by Topend on Jun 8, 2012 17:15:15 GMT -5
Oh God Rickie...you are right...sheeze...I dread that outcome! Others - please don't take any of my comments as criticizing anyone who asks to see the white paper. Really - I am just try to get people to shed light on "what, specifically, technically" they are looking to see. So far, I still haven't seen that and it's 3 pages in. Normally, by this point, we'd have someone like Solidstate chiming in with facts way beyond my comprehension about how a room correction system works, differences between Tact as it exists and 48 versions of OddISee, and what would be the sweet set up if they had their way by writing the code themselves. While I often don't initially understand those posts, at least it gives me a place to start learning. Mark Dan offered a white paper so that is what I asked for. I would be just as happy to read about Emo's version of Tact in any format they care to offer. My question was motivated by my interest only. Dave.
|
|
klinemj
Emo VIPs
Honorary Emofest Scribe
Posts: 14,773
|
Post by klinemj on Jun 8, 2012 17:16:13 GMT -5
that's cool - no harm in asking.
|
|
jamrock
Emo VIPs
Courtesy Costs Nothing. Give Generously!
Posts: 4,750
|
Post by jamrock on Jun 8, 2012 17:17:37 GMT -5
Mark: I think that you have asked an unanswerable question. There is nothing specific anyone wants to see unless you have an E.E. degree and you want to butt heads on a technical issue. That's a DYohn thing. He has the qualifications. For simple guys like me, we just want to read as much as we can to see what we can glean. BTW, when I posted, I did not have you in mind. Chill!
|
|
|
Post by Topend on Jun 8, 2012 17:17:41 GMT -5
that's cool - no harm in asking. That is what I thought. Dave.
|
|
|
Post by suffolk112000 on Jun 8, 2012 18:49:37 GMT -5
Not sure if this is where I should post this but... As some of you may know, I’ve been asking some questions re: the cable length of the room correction mic for the UMC-1 (33 feet) because my equipment is in another room. I’m sure I am not the only person on this forum with such an equipment configuration. Thankfully, because taking the calibration measurements will only a temporary/occasional task, I will be able to make the UMC-1 mic work at 33 feet. Having said all of that… I am really looking forward to seeing what TACT is and how it works. My questions are: The way I understand it is that TACT will be constantly taking readings of the sound in your room. Am I correct? If this is the case, this is then going to require a permanent mic or some sort of device in the room. This must be the case. If not, then how is the unit gathering its real time readings? I am going to be calling Emo on Monday to find out my questions such as how long the room correction mic for the XMC1 will be. I hope they can tell me, because this is a MUST for me. And if there is another mic, say a mic that is used for the permanent readings, how long will that cable be? And if needed, can the mic cable(s) be extended? How much? Additionally, I'd be curious to know how sound, such as casual talking in the room is going to affect these real time readings… if at all. We all know the room has to be dead quiet when performing traditional room correction.
|
|
bootman
Emo VIPs
Typing useless posts on internet forums....
Posts: 9,358
|
Post by bootman on Jun 8, 2012 19:02:45 GMT -5
that's cool - no harm in asking. That is what I thought. Dave. No harm at all. We are just bored and you offered us a simple diversion. Your question is more than valid.
|
|
|
Post by Porscheguy on Jun 8, 2012 19:06:13 GMT -5
Here's my white paper....... Same thing if you ask me :-) Porscheguy, You also said "But it almost seems like guys sit around and think some odd thing to post about." Nothing more I need to say. Dave. I'm sorry Dave. If it was promised and you want to see it, you have very right to ask about it. You certainly are a good guy and I'm sorry that I opened this can worms.... I apologize :-) :-)
|
|
|
Post by jdskycaster on Jun 8, 2012 19:17:43 GMT -5
My questions are: The way I understand it is that TACT will be constantly taking readings of the sound in your room. Am I correct? I have no first hand experience with tact but I think you are confusing "real time eq" with real time measurements. I am pretty sure there is no microphone attached providing continuous real time feedback to the processor.
|
|
|
Post by Topend on Jun 8, 2012 19:27:31 GMT -5
Porscheguy, You also said "But it almost seems like guys sit around and think some odd thing to post about." Nothing more I need to say. Dave. I'm sorry Dave. If it was promised and you want to see it, you have very right to ask about it. You certainly are a good guy and I'm sorry that I opened this can worms.... I apologize :-) :-) No worries. I also appreciate your PM saying "sorry". I would like to point out I never used the word "promised". That was another more demanding lounge member. Cheers, Dave.
|
|
|
Post by billmac on Jun 8, 2012 19:32:19 GMT -5
I would be curious as to the details of TacT in the XMC-1 as well. I would hope by now that Emotiva would have the specs and features that TacT will have ironed out by now. I'm hoping it isn't that technical either but in basic Joesixpackese . Bill
|
|
jamrock
Emo VIPs
Courtesy Costs Nothing. Give Generously!
Posts: 4,750
|
Post by jamrock on Jun 8, 2012 19:54:55 GMT -5
Oh boy! You might get blasted too. Despite the fact that Dan stated (let me not say promised) that he would later release the TacT White Paper, (regarding the special implementation in the XMC-1) you have no right asking about it. But if there is one gunslinger that I want on my side, it's you bro. Welcome to the heat ;D
|
|
klinemj
Emo VIPs
Honorary Emofest Scribe
Posts: 14,773
|
Post by klinemj on Jun 8, 2012 19:57:03 GMT -5
suffolk...I am pretty sure jdskycaster is correct. Good question, though, from suffolk, that prompted that response! Suffolk...if you learn anything different once you contact Emo - let us know!
Mark
|
|
jamrock
Emo VIPs
Courtesy Costs Nothing. Give Generously!
Posts: 4,750
|
Post by jamrock on Jun 8, 2012 20:05:37 GMT -5
I think that the real time changes meant that you can hear the changes made while the music is still playing. You don't have to make the change, stop, save, then return to the source. This is one of the reasons that the white/technical paper is important. Oh, I keep injurying myself! ;D
|
|
|
Post by SticknStones on Jun 8, 2012 20:20:34 GMT -5
It's amazing how such an innocent question can turn into such a debate. I only asked for something that was offered to us. Dave. Dave, In all honesty I think a personal email to Dan would have been a wiser move. This is such a public forum with many unregistered guests and too much limelight for anyone who would be best advised to ignore. I really did not think there would be much more that a one page brief if anything and maybe an advance on the instructional documentation as a position paper. I really try to support all of you on this forum but this thread has been an uncomfortable read for me. On the upside I think we are near an overall update on the XMC based on the LA meeting and if that went well then some advancements in more mature features and functions could be forthcoming. I still think we are not respecting so much the intellectual property aspect for Emotiva and their partners and the need to have a a pretty mature product with a production schedule prior to advancing documentation would seem logical. But please know I dig you guys all of you, and I am also counting the days!
|
|
|
Post by Tip on Jun 8, 2012 20:57:06 GMT -5
My questions are: The way I understand it is that TACT will be constantly taking readings of the sound in your room. Am I correct? No, you are not correct. The "real time" processing is the modification of the correction filter in relation to you changing the volume level, which is defined by the group of "dynamic" target curves that you configure for different volume levels. See: emotivalounge.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=preamps&thread=24502&page=1#407016
|
|
|
Post by matt on Jun 8, 2012 21:27:47 GMT -5
Despite the fact that Dan stated (let me not say promised) that he would later release the TacT White Paper, (regarding the special implementation in the XMC-1) ... If it is "as implemented," then he is better off not releasing it until the software is final or close to final. That would be close to when it ships.
|
|