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Post by hemster on Aug 28, 2012 16:33:11 GMT -5
My dear fellow loungers, Please let's keep this thread about the XMC-1 and not let it get personal. It really doesn't do any good and ruins it for most of us that are interested in this exciting product. Thanks for your understanding.
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Post by jamrock on Aug 28, 2012 16:58:57 GMT -5
I would say that if it does not have your particular choice of certification CE or UL or whatever, just don't buy the damn thing. I'll buy it on the bases of the 5 yr warranty, price and customer service. I would not worry over a situation or product for which I have no control and in which I have no financial interest. Especially when I have several alternate choices. Life is just too short
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Post by 2muchht on Aug 28, 2012 19:32:52 GMT -5
Once again:
Erwin: You are quite correct that EU is different from US/North America, and that is exactly the point. UL listing standards as certified by an NRTL (e.g. UL, CSA, ETL, etc.) are designed for applicablility here. CE is designed for EU. Similarly, when you deal in other parts of the world you need to accomodate what are nicely known as the "Tropical Deviations". Not better, not worse, just fitting the cloths to the frame of the one who wears it. And, yes, TUV, along with BSA play a part in setting standards. As I'm sure you know, once you get to other parts of the world you have to deal with the acronym soup of CCC, C-Tick, NOM, and the like. One only needs to look at the label on a "wall wart" power supply to see all the various standards body logos. (Given that some are more RFI/EMI and national based than safety.)
I, too, a disappointed that this has all gone in a different direction, I simply asked if the XMC would have an NRTL approval. I said NOTHING about quality, warranties, etc., as that simply has nothing to do with this and was added in by others. AND I never said that CE standard compliance is unsafe. Quite the opposite: It means that the unit has passed the stadnards set by CE and those are different than the UL standards for the same device. Not less safe, not better or worse, and having NOTHING to do with if the DUT even works. Simply that it is safe when, if you will, "taken as directed".
(NOT YOU, ERWIN, but:) One wishes it were possible to ask a reasonable question in a civil manner, acknowledging the response and having that be that. Why is something along those lines, which is all I asked, taken as more than it is? I guess it takes a village to make a surround processor. Isn't this Q&A what a forum is supposed to be about, or is it only when you gush over products not yet (until this weekend) seen or hear outside of a very tightly controlled group?
If it works well, sounds good, doesn't impact the video, etc., AND comes out in the next month or so I may just try one and see how it works in my main room system. If not, there are, as I've been scolded here, other choices. Maybe we'll see some other new SSPs announced this week and next at IFA and CEDIA. After all, as noted above, none of us have any finanical interest one way or the other here beyond making sure that our hard earned money is well spent on something we can enjoy.
Please, all, take the mod's advise and relax! Time to move on to pre-Fest speculation followed by post-Fest analysis and commentary.
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Post by jamrock on Aug 28, 2012 20:01:06 GMT -5
You are much too tense bro. I speak generally. Not specific. BTW, no one on this forum knows whether or not the XMC-1 has met it's many certifications. It could have, but would only be posted on the actual production models. It's all speculation because Emotiva is not saying anything quite rightfully. I don't worry about certifications because I firmly beliueve that it will pass all of them. That concern does not rise to the bottom rung on the ladder to production IMO. Let's have fun and stop being so darn serious ;D
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Post by sorbe on Aug 28, 2012 22:49:04 GMT -5
Well then, in the spirit of getting back UMC/XMC talk, I'll change the subject away from "stinkin' badges". Emotiva: UMC-1 (7.04.00.19) Emotiva: U-12 Sub x 2 Emotiva: UPA-7 Emotiva: UPA-2 Emotiva: X-Series I/C Impact Acoustic 12/2 S/Cable Def Tech: ProCinema 1000 x 6 Def Tech: ProCenter 2000 How come you have 9-channels of amplification hooked up to your lovely 7-channel UMC processor? Are you running zone 2 speakers (not listed) or are you bi-amping your mains? If you are running zone 2, are they actually elsewhere or in the same room in some way? Like A/B mains? Or some weird semi-surround config using Zone 2 for extra surrounds? Even the XMC-1 is still 7.2 channels withe rear surrounds. I was pondering doing something with 2 extra channels in my HT, but I couldn't pick one of the above (yet). (What I really want is high speakers ala PLii-Z mode or perhaps wides like Audyssey DSX in addition to normal 7.1 with rears, but I fear that will have to wait for another post XMC preprocessor).
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Post by paintedklown on Aug 29, 2012 2:19:00 GMT -5
Thanks for the pics Big Dan. It's very cool to see a working/fully functioning XMC-1. I must admit, that is does make me drool over these...more than just a little. ;D I will be looking forward to the reports from Emofest. Not only regarding the XMC-1, but of the two "secret" products in the HT room, the XDA-2, and most of all, the XSP-1.
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Post by tmassey on Aug 29, 2012 8:22:27 GMT -5
What speakers do you guys think they will be demoing the XMC-1 with? I am not sure the 6.2's or even 8.2's will be revealing enough to do the XMC-1 the justice it deserves.
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Post by richardrc on Aug 29, 2012 8:52:31 GMT -5
And, and and! We are way to burocratic and an overpriced and overtaxed community, lol, this is why every pacific island nation needs its own certification to keep all of those cut and past bureaucretins in a job insert <<CE or equivalent here>> in the legislation One unified certification, no more red tape, less tax, cheaper products, that sound like a win win win situation ;D Oh, the cooperation required to make that happen.....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2012 8:56:11 GMT -5
WHY ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT CE!!!!!!!!!
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Post by ansat on Aug 29, 2012 10:07:28 GMT -5
What speakers do you guys think they will be demoing the XMC-1 with? I am not sure the 6.2's or even 8.2's will be revealing enough to do the XMC-1 the justice it deserves. They could use their studio monitors.
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Post by savjac on Aug 29, 2012 10:20:30 GMT -5
Somebody screwed up my wet dream ;D I think this could be bad around electrical equipment. ;D These posts are most interesting in that I have never seen so much pre release bickering in my life. How can anyone possibly have a comlpete discourse on something that is not been born yet. This is so newer generation. I remember back in the day when new cars actually had a release month, I think it was October and we would wait in line to see what they looked like knowing it would be 6-8 weeks before what we ordered would arrive. Never once did I piss and moan about whether or not this was right or wrong etc, I was just happy it was coming, just like ketchup from a bottle. Back then the manufacturers and dealers had it made, I ordered my '78 Trans Am, brand new, $7,180 just before Smoky and the Bandit was released nationwide. By the time the car arrived at the dealer, the price had gone up due to popularity. The dealer tried to raise the price even though I had a contract. Emotive has never done that, they seem to give what the can in a price they shoot for and voila, we have stuff. These things are not a life need, they are a desire and we do not need them to survive. How can we treat a company so bad when all they are trying to do is get some products to the public. Yes I agree this is so generational especially in the I WANT IT NOW thoughts. We need to be happy we may have something new to play with soon because new does not make our products broken or useless.
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Post by monkumonku on Aug 29, 2012 10:38:32 GMT -5
Somebody screwed up my wet dream ;D I think this could be bad around electrical equipment. ;D These posts are most interesting in that I have never seen so much pre release bickering in my life. How can anyone possibly have a comlpete discourse on something that is not been born yet. This is so newer generation. I remember back in the day when new cars actually had a release month, I think it was October and we would wait in line to see what they looked like knowing it would be 6-8 weeks before what we ordered would arrive. Never once did I piss and moan about whether or not this was right or wrong etc, I was just happy it was coming, just like ketchup from a bottle. Back then the manufacturers and dealers had it made, I ordered my '78 Trans Am, brand new, $7,180 just before Smoky and the Bandit was released nationwide. By the time the car arrived at the dealer, the price had gone up due to popularity. The dealer tried to raise the price even though I had a contract. Emotive has never done that, they seem to give what the can in a price they shoot for and voila, we have stuff. These things are not a life need, they are a desire and we do not need them to survive. How can we treat a company so bad when all they are trying to do is get some products to the public. Yes I agree this is so generational especially in the I WANT IT NOW thoughts. We need to be happy we may have something new to play with soon because new does not make our products broken or useless. Can you just hurry up and say what you have to say and get out of the way??? We want our XMC-1's!!! What the heck is taking so long?? It better have a bunch of extra features on it to make it worth the wait or it's a deal breaker for me.
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Post by villock on Aug 29, 2012 10:48:05 GMT -5
I think this could be bad around electrical equipment. ;D These posts are most interesting in that I have never seen so much pre release bickering in my life. How can anyone possibly have a comlpete discourse on something that is not been born yet. This is so newer generation. I remember back in the day when new cars actually had a release month, I think it was October and we would wait in line to see what they looked like knowing it would be 6-8 weeks before what we ordered would arrive. Never once did I piss and moan about whether or not this was right or wrong etc, I was just happy it was coming, just like ketchup from a bottle. Back then the manufacturers and dealers had it made, I ordered my '78 Trans Am, brand new, $7,180 just before Smoky and the Bandit was released nationwide. By the time the car arrived at the dealer, the price had gone up due to popularity. The dealer tried to raise the price even though I had a contract. Emotive has never done that, they seem to give what the can in a price they shoot for and voila, we have stuff. These things are not a life need, they are a desire and we do not need them to survive. How can we treat a company so bad when all they are trying to do is get some products to the public. Yes I agree this is so generational especially in the I WANT IT NOW thoughts. We need to be happy we may have something new to play with soon because new does not make our products broken or useless. Can you just hurry up and say what you have to say and get out of the way??? We want our XMC-1's!!! What the heck is taking so long?? It better have a bunch of extra features on it to make it worth the wait or it's a deal breaker for me. Screw the XMC-1 I want to here more about the brand new '78 Pontiac T/A Bandit that he had. Drool.
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Post by savjac on Aug 29, 2012 10:58:58 GMT -5
Youse guys Crack Me up big time. I hope i get to meet y'all in Franklin this Saturday :-)
Look at that, two different accents.
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Post by tmassey on Aug 29, 2012 12:10:56 GMT -5
I don't think there are any other two accents that could clash more and also gave me a great idea for a reality show. Beverly Hillbilles in Jersey Shore.
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Post by stiehl11 on Aug 29, 2012 12:11:47 GMT -5
What speakers do you guys think they will be demoing the XMC-1 with? I am not sure the 6.2's or even 8.2's will be revealing enough to do the XMC-1 the justice it deserves. They could use their studio monitors. Obviously the two of you have not heard their speakers. While they are not B&W 800D's the 8.2s are quite nice. Their studio monitors are nice for what they are but are not comparable to their higher end speakers.
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Post by ansat on Aug 29, 2012 12:37:42 GMT -5
They could use their studio monitors. Obviously the two of you have not heard their speakers. While they are not B&W 800D's the 8.2s are quite nice. Their studio monitors are nice for what they are but are not comparable to their higher end speakers. I will admit I have not. I am just going off of reviews of the two.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Aug 30, 2012 16:59:50 GMT -5
Can you just hurry up and say what you have to say and get out of the way??? We want our XMC-1's!!! What the heck is taking so long?? It better have a bunch of extra features on it to make it worth the wait or it's a deal breaker for me. While I expect it to have 'enough' features, I echo your sentiment, I sure hope we hear some good things about the XMC-1 this weekend. Those pictures just make me want to start pluggin' cables in!
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Post by jamrock on Aug 30, 2012 17:26:39 GMT -5
Fortunately for me, I'm a 7.2 guy and the XMC-1 is also 7.2. I'm a 90% audio guy and 10% video. I'm also a 75% surround audio guy and 25% stereo. Therefore, as long as it can do surround audio only 90% of perfect, I'm satisfied. Darn it. I wished that the girls I dated were this easy to be satisfied ;D
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Post by AudioHTIT on Aug 30, 2012 17:54:16 GMT -5
Fortunately for me, I'm a 7.2 guy and the XMC-1 is also 7.2. I'm a 90% audio guy and 10% video. I'm also a 75% surround audio guy and 25% stereo. Therefore, as long as it can do surround audio only 90% of perfect, I'm satisfied. Darn it. I wished that the girls I dated were this easy to be satisfied ;D I too am a 7.2 guy (well actually only 5'10"), but I do most of my music on my 2 channel system. So the XMC for me is probably 70/30 in favor of movies & TV, but I think I'll still want it 99% 'perfect', and hope the 1% is a 'nice to have', or a future firmware update. That said, from what I've seen and read I don't expect it to be missing anything I "need". However, along your lines, my wife will probably find something I never thought of (the girls I dated were happy with the pretty lights :~)
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