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Post by Jim on Jan 9, 2014 21:50:50 GMT -5
^ "The XMC-1 launch date is officially February 14th , 2014." Great! When does it ship? Probably the same date.
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Post by doc1963 on Jan 9, 2014 22:03:09 GMT -5
The first Pre Order List for the XMC-1 was started nearly 6 years ago. That list was open for a long time and had hundreds of people who signed up. That first list was closed and remained closed. The second list was started a couple of years ago, but I have no idea how many people signed up. It will be very difficult to even guess how many of those people who signed up are still interested in purchasing an XMC-1 once it starts shipping. If a large percentage of those on the first list opt to make a purchase it could be a fairly long wait for those who signed up on the second list. About a year ago, Emotiva e-mailed asking if I was still interested in purchasing a unit once they ship. Thus, Emotiva probably has a pretty good feel of those still interested, at least for those of us who signed up on the first list. If Emotiva follows form on previous Pre Order Lists, some one from Emotiva will call you once they start shipping and ask if you are still wanting to purchase. If you answer yes, they should be able to give you a fairly accurate guestimate before they are able to ship your unit to you. In the past, when I was called on an other product that I had signed up for it took about two weeks before they called me back for my credit card info. I hope you do not have to wait too long for them to contact you if you signed up on the second list. Don't hold your breath... There are, however, a few dynamics to consider when we speculate the approximate "wait time" once the XMC-1 begins to actually ship. One, as you've already pointed out, the first preorder list was started six years ago and, again as you've pointed out, we can assume a fair amount of people have moved on. Two, of those who didn't move on (being otherwise tired of waiting), we can assume that the $1,000.00 price increase (the original XMC-1 was $999) has turned a good percentage away as well. Three, considering the higher price and those that fear the past initial "issues" with Emotiva processors, there will be a fair amount of "fence sitters". Now, for the faithful among us who remain patiently waiting, a huge dynamic has come into play. The XMC-1 is now " Made in the USA". Assembled in good ol' Franklin, Tennessee from custom made components sourced "in country". So, I'm sure that must be a bonus to not have to have to wait for a container ship from China to arrive. Not knowing the actual logistics involved, I'm thinking that a shipment of "finished" goods would likely take four to six weeks from actually leaving a factory in China to actually landing on the dock at Emotiva's HQ. Then, after arrival, maybe another week until Emotiva actually ships the product to customers... Aside from not knowing exactly how many units can be produced in a day, this still has to be a big bonus. All things considered, hopefully the wait time for those of us who have been on that preorder list may not be all that bad. Or, at least, one can hope…..
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Post by bolle on Jan 10, 2014 3:13:42 GMT -5
And I am not really sure that this will be the Feb 14th - setting up a new manufacturing plant and getting quality output from it isn´t that easy. The longest period of setting up "quality output" from an electronics plant is the design time. The equipment to build and solder the boards are "off the shelf"; you populate and program them, verify the end product with SPC. We do this second step with every model change (and new model) in about a week at our (established) plant in Lewisburg, TN. Getting a warm body to put the boards in the box and drive a few screws takes as long as it takes to train your workers. Primates take longer to train than good workers and you get what you pay for. My company does this while we're setting up the process so there's no additional training time. Being that these boards have been built and beta tested in XMC-1's in mid-year 2013 I would say that the design time has been mostly completed. And the boards are being built in California at an established electronics plant means that they won't have to deal with actually setting up new equipment (stock it, plug in the program, verify, and go). So, to get "quality output" from the assembly facility in Franklin, TN takes as long as it takes to train workers to put the boards in the box and drive some screws (not quite that easy, but not rocket science either). Thanks for your answer. I didn´t know that it´s just an assembly plant. I spent some time in quality assurance for electronic board design and building (Eurofighter e.g. or tactical missile subs) which isn´t that easy and takes some time to get quality output. I thought that Emotiva is building an "all around" manufacturing plant, not only an assembly plant. If the latter is true, you should be right in my opinion.
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Post by benzone on Jan 10, 2014 20:55:47 GMT -5
Howdy all
It's been a long time away from the boards. Thought I would check in on the XMC-1. With good-ole Monoprice as backup, has anyone heard about EMO possibly making an outboard HDMI splitter for dual display duties to pal up with the XMC-1?
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Post by klinemj on Jan 10, 2014 21:19:22 GMT -5
benzone...it will initially come w/1 HDMI out, but see the following from Emofest notes:
"Design remains modular and some clues to initial upgrade options were shared…including that the case will come milled with openings for 2 HDMI outs and a board will be made available to upgrade to 2 HDMI outs as well as HMDI 2.0 once that’s ready."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2014 0:07:52 GMT -5
" The XMC-1 is now "Made in the USA". Assembled in good ol' Franklin, Tennessee from custom made components sourced "in country". So, I'm sure that must be a bonus to not have to have to wait for a container ship from China to arrive." It is great to know that the XMC-1 will be made in Tennessee, USA! Since my neighbor's Honda was made (assembled) in Tennessee, I found out that it is a right to work state. I saw online that the starting wage for factory assembly workers at Emotiva will be $4.79 per hour plus all you can eat (leftovers from Emofest). Here is a photo of folks from Chattanooga heading up the Murfreesboro River towards Franklin to apply for the assembly jobs. Since housing in Franklin is scarce Emotiva has set up free living quarters (Emo Blue) behind building 51. The XMC-1's should be rolling off the assembly line soon folks! (Maybe the price will be even be lowered slightly.) (It's a 100% joke, folks!)
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Post by garbulky on Jan 11, 2014 2:55:13 GMT -5
" The XMC-1 is now "Made in the USA". Assembled in good ol' Franklin, Tennessee from custom made components sourced "in country". So, I'm sure that must be a bonus to not have to have to wait for a container ship from China to arrive." It is great to know that the XMC-1 will be made in Tennessee, USA! Since my neighbor's Honda was made (assembled) in Tennessee, I found out that it is a right to work state. I saw online that the starting wage for factory assembly workers at Emotiva will be $4.79 per hour plus all you can eat (leftovers from Emofest). Here is a photo of folks from Chattanooga heading up the Murfreesboro River towards Franklin to apply for the assembly jobs. Since housing in Franklin is scarce Emotiva has sent up free living quarters (Emo Blue) behind building 51. The XMC-1's should be rolling off the assembly line soon folks! (Maybe the price will be even be lowered slightly.) (It's a 100% joke, folks!) Hilarious. Love the blue warehouses
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2014 3:26:11 GMT -5
Those Emo blue buildings are living quarters for the assembly workers.
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Post by benzone on Jan 11, 2014 6:43:51 GMT -5
benzone...it will initially come w/1 HDMI out, but see the following from Emofest notes: "Design remains modular and some clues to initial upgrade options were shared…including that the case will come milled with openings for 2 HDMI outs and a board will be made available to upgrade to 2 HDMI outs as well as HMDI 2.0 once that’s ready." Mark Mark that's very good news, splitters are fine but there's nothing like direct board feed integrity...
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Post by billmac on Jan 14, 2014 9:12:38 GMT -5
When the merger took place, D&M announced Denon would become more of the entry level AVR brand and Marantz would be the upper tier AVR and processor brand. So unless they are using the same high quality parts in the lower tier models, or they are using cheapo parts in the upper tier models, there is a quality difference between the two brands. I do not know national sales numbers, nor do I care too. I only know the units I see pass through one store and the number of issues that come back with Denon amp sections, headphone jacks, network cards (Airplay), and faulty IR sensors as compared to Marantz products. And then dealing with the two brands when there is an issue. Sorry if my opinion struck a chord with you billmac. I know you and I have disagreed in the past and since then you seem to take exception to most things I post. I was simply trying to give my opinion to a fellow lounge member about my experience with Denon and Marantz products and their customer service employees. Now back to the actual topic at hand, the XMC...... I wonder when the website will be updated with the pictures of the Gen 2 cosmetic changes to the XMC-1 and maybe some final specs. That would be a nice teaser for the final 5 week countdown. If you are going to post that Denon units have a higher failure rate then I would think you would want to consider how many more Denon units sell over Marantz units. As I posted earlier if Denon units out sell Marantz units 4 to 1 (just a guess) then it is logical that one will see more Denon units in for repair. To just ignore that fact your opinion that Denon units fail more than Marantz units is just that an opinion. With no factual figures to back up your "opinion" it is no more than an uneducated guess IMO. As far as me taking exception to "most of the things" you post is a crock of BS. I do not post here that often and just happened to see your post where you said " many of the yahoo's went to the Denon side". I found that post to be rude and troll like so I commented on it. Now how many posts have you made in the last several months that I took exception to? Off the top of my head I would say just the one but I could be mistaken. So if you want to continue posting rude comments and opinions on the failure rates of specific products with no factual data be prepared to have your posts questioned . Bill
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Post by bitzerjdb on Jan 14, 2014 9:29:50 GMT -5
Hi,
After playing with the UMC-200 this weekend I quickly found something that would be useful (at least to me). Would it be possible to make the HDMI switch autonomous to the PrePro. What I mean, It would be slick if you could switch the input ports with the PrePro in standby (like with a dedicated HDMI switch). Having all the connections going through the PrePro means it needs to be on and switched to the right port for the HT to function. 80% of the time, my system is used by kids, babysitters, grandparents, guests etc. and they simply want to watch a movie with the sound through the SoundBar.
Today I have HDMI connections going directly to the TV with the ARC feeding the UMC-200. I would love to have a single cable to the TV and all the other HDMI connections in the cabinet.
Just a thought.....
JDB
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Post by teklock on Jan 15, 2014 13:29:37 GMT -5
Hi, After playing with the UMC-200 this weekend I quickly found something that would be useful (at least to me). Would it be possible to make the HDMI switch autonomous to the PrePro. What I mean, It would be slick if you could switch the input ports with the PrePro in standby (like with a dedicated HDMI switch). Having all the connections going through the PrePro means it needs to be on and switched to the right port for the HT to function. 80% of the time, my system is used by kids, babysitters, grandparents, guests etc. and they simply want to watch a movie with the sound through the SoundBar. Today I have HDMI connections going directly to the TV with the ARC feeding the UMC-200. I would love to have a single cable to the TV and all the other HDMI connections in the cabinet. Just a thought..... JDB The current Denon AVR's do this.
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Post by autocrat on Jan 29, 2014 0:09:52 GMT -5
Australian Update.
At current exchange rates, incorporating all duties/taxes etc, and assuming USD110 for shipping, landing the XMC will cost, in AUD:
$2761
or, with the 40% card,
$1712.
This means two things. First, the XMC is most definitely not a bargain for the Australian market at its full price. This puts it around the street price of, say, an Integra DHC-80.3. With the XMC being effectively a grey import in terms of service presence, I think it will have a fair bit of trouble competing.
However, at the discounted price, it's competing against something like a Marantz AV7701 which you can pick up for around $2000 (we really get ripped off on hifi!). Pretty hard call without knowing what the XMC is capable of.
On the plus side, my discount cards (I have 2) now have a face value of $1050 each. Better than a kick in the goolies.
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Post by wizardofoz on Jan 30, 2014 21:36:26 GMT -5
Goolies, is not a common term outside of of oz...but nuts would would be as close goolies in a form of more general slang use. I do feel for you tho...but cost of tv's in oz is still better than we get here in Asia. I now feel like I got kicked in the goolies too as a couple of weeks back I bought an hdmi V2 support splitter from monopricee in anticipation of the xmc-1 ... What a doofus! Now my xmc-1 just cost me $100 more...least I can maybe sell the splitter BNIB and maybe recover some $ back
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Post by pras1011 on Jan 31, 2014 8:00:17 GMT -5
Still using a 2005 TI DA710?
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Post by cwt on Feb 1, 2014 4:59:49 GMT -5
Still using a 2005 TI DA710? Plenty of horsepower ; theres 2 of them btw . Its not the generation its how it communicates with other plug ins and algorithms is how I look at it ; works nicely with the main MDS chipset by the looks of this quote www.ti.com/lit/ml/sprt367/sprt367.pdf The xmc1 webpage is due for an upgrade soon too so things may change ..
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Feb 1, 2014 12:07:11 GMT -5
Goolies, is not a common term outside of of oz. It's quite common in Ireland and the UK.
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Post by wizardofoz on Feb 2, 2014 1:37:03 GMT -5
Goolies, is not a common term outside of of oz. It's quite common in Ireland and the UK. perhaps I should have said outside the USA...seeing as Oz is a lot of other countries EU/UK and asia all thrown into one big melting pot
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Post by solidstate on Feb 4, 2014 12:41:32 GMT -5
I would have to assume that Denon out sells Marantz by a wide margin. I'm not sure if you considered that as far as Denon units having more failures. If Denon out sells Marantz 4 to 1 (just a guess) then it would stand to reason that you will see more Denon units in for repair than Marantz units. Bill When the merger took place, D&M announced Denon would become more of the entry level AVR brand and Marantz would be the upper tier AVR and processor brand. D&M Holdings was formed in 2002. The AVP-A1HDCI(A) came out years later. When you call Denon or Marantz you are reaching the SAME COMPANY. D&M Customer Service 100 Corporate Drive Mahwah, N.J. 07430-2041 Marantz America, LLC. 100 Corporate Drive Mahwah, N.J. 07430-2041 When you phone you reach the EXACT SAME PEOPLE. It's true that RECENTLY as in like the last couple or years D&M has scaled back on the higher end Denon pieces and decided to make Marantz the higher end label. This was prob due to a market survey done with people like you that have screwy ideas. The middle/highend Denon units used to be made in Japan but the newer ones are made in China. In my experience Denon has had the LEAST FAILURE RATES in the mainstream industry. In many cases the Marantz unit will share the same PCBs as a Denon unit. I have found the Japanese Denon units to be better made and designed than the American Marantz design team's work. You don't know what you're talking bout deewan.
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Post by deewan on Feb 5, 2014 9:15:37 GMT -5
You don't know what you're talking bout deewan. You are right. I have no idea of the number of Denon failures I see come back into the store compared to the number of failures I see of Marantz units. You are right that Denon and Marantz share the same mailing address and if the public wants to contact Denon or Marantz they send mail to the same place. Let me add that when dealers place orders for Denon and Marantz I would bet 100% of the time the same wholesaler is used. However, when dealing with Denon models and Marantz models, dealers have two internal department extensions to contact and the experience we receive is very different. And even though we ship RMA's to the same address, the communication we receive back are on different levels and we have experienced much better out of warranty "no-charge" fixes from Marantz over Denon. But yes, I am sure my first hand experience has lead me to have no idea what I am talking about becuase the mailing address is the same for both companies and they are under the same corporation. I would like to take this last sentence to apologize to any Denon owners I may have upset with my ludicrous opinion of my experiences and my opinion that between Denon and Marantz, I would suggest Marantz. Please go forward knowing Denon and Marantz are the same in quality and as solidstate stated, most likely use the same boards and materials. So if choosing between two units with the similar features, pick the cheaper Denon. There is no difference. Thanks!
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