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Post by LCSeminole on Mar 16, 2016 20:05:31 GMT -5
I am happy to wait for an Oppo. Mark I think ill get into your boat Mark, seems like a very reasonable decision. While I agree that Oppo makes one helluva media player, what else could they possibly add to a new UHD 4K blu-ray player that, as home theater enthusiasts, will we need that we don't already have except for disc playback? My BDP-83/93 already play SACD/DVD-Audio, my FireTV is way more robust than any media players capabilities, so all I will be needing at this point once I have a 4K flat panel would be disc playback. Yes I'm sure the future Oppo 4K blu-ray player will have a great build and be feature rich as well as frequent firmware updates, I just can't for the life of me, figure out what else it will do for me that I don't already have? I might add, I have a feeling that 4K blu-rays may just be the last video disc format, so I'm not so sure I'll want to spend a premium price on what I think an Oppo player will cost this time around.
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Post by novisnick on Mar 16, 2016 20:11:58 GMT -5
I think ill get into your boat Mark, seems like a very reasonable decision. While I agree that Oppo makes one helluva media player, what else could they possibly add to a new UHD 4K blu-ray player that, as home theater enthusiasts, will we need that we don't already have except for disc playback? My BDP-83/93 already play SACD/DVD-Audio, my FireTV is way more robust than any media players capabilities, so all I will be needing at this point once I have a 4K flat panel would be disc playback. Yes I'm sure the future Oppo 4K blu-ray player will have a great build and be feature rich as well as frequent firmware updates, I just can't for the life of me, figure out what else it will do for me lthat I don't already have? I might add, I have a feeling that 4K blu-rays may just be the last video disc format, so I'm not so sure I'll want to spend a premium price on what I think an Oppo player will cost this time around. Perhaps a premium preamp section with an upgraded DAC? Maybe, at leaste a 30 day trial to hear it before any firm decision is made with my money. You asked and I had already thought about this one. Really it depends on many things. Then again, it may all be for not, but thats part of the fun of this hobby,,,,,,,,isn't it? But the Panny sure looks alot better then the cheapo looking and functioning Sammy 4K player.
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Post by qdtjni on Mar 16, 2016 20:20:31 GMT -5
It's already released here in Switzerland. I expect mine to arrive the 19th. Do come back here and give us a review once you've had time to play!!! Will do.
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Post by LCSeminole on Mar 16, 2016 20:20:37 GMT -5
While I agree that Oppo makes one helluva media player, what else could they possibly add to a new UHD 4K blu-ray player that, as home theater enthusiasts, will we need that we don't already have except for disc playback? My BDP-83/93 already play SACD/DVD-Audio, my FireTV is way more robust than any media players capabilities, so all I will be needing at this point once I have a 4K flat panel would be disc playback. Yes I'm sure the future Oppo 4K blu-ray player will have a great build and be feature rich as well as frequent firmware updates, I just can't for the life of me, figure out what else it will do for me lthat I don't already have? I might add, I have a feeling that 4K blu-rays may just be the last video disc format, so I'm not so sure I'll want to spend a premium price on what I think an Oppo player will cost this time around. Perhaps a premium preamp section with an upgraded DAC? Maybe, at leaste a 30 day trial to hear it before any firm decision is made with my money. You asked and I had already thought about this one. Really it depends on many things. Then again, it may all be for not, but thats part of the fun of this hobby,,,,,,,,isn't it? But the Panny sure looks alot better then the cheapo looking and functioning Sammy 4K player. Yes I agree the Panasonic is advertising there player as a premium level player, and the Samsung looks quite cheap. A premium pre-amp section with an upgraded DAC adds a pretty penny to the price, ie: the 95/105, and I already have a pre-amp, so I'm just wondering what Oppo may have up their sleave? I certainly won't be spending more than what I think the DMP-U900 will be priced at here in the US, so I hope Oppo at least offers a similar featured player as the Panasonic, as well as a bell and whistle model.
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Post by klinemj on Mar 16, 2016 20:47:42 GMT -5
Perhaps a premium preamp section with an upgraded DAC? Maybe, at leaste a 30 day trial to hear it before any firm decision is made with my money. You asked and I had already thought about this one. Really it depends on many things. Then again, it may all be for not, but thats part of the fun of this hobby,,,,,,,,isn't it? But the Panny sure looks alot better then the cheapo looking and functioning Sammy 4K player. Yes I agree the Panasonic is advertising there player as a premium level player, and the Samsung looks quite cheap. A premium pre-amp section with an upgraded DAC adds a pretty penny to the price, ie: the 95/105, and I already have a pre-amp, so I'm just wondering what Oppo may have up their sleave? I certainly won't be spending more than what I think the DMP-U900 will be priced at here in the US, so I hope Oppo at least offers a similar featured player as the Panasonic, as well as a bell and whistle model. As for me, the things I look for in a player are: 1) fast loading of disks 2) reliable, high quality playback 3) great handling of the video content Personally, I don't need/want my player to be a great DAC. I am thrilled with the XMC-1 and don't really want to be paying twice for great DAC's. (Don't ask me why I own an Oppo 105...feeling regrets on that call over a lesser Oppo!) Once I do have a 4K TV or PJ, I will worry about which player meets my needs. And, I think that will be a while. So, there will be plenty of options then that are not even around now. But, I have loved how fast my Oppo is today vs. my other players around the house. It sounds like a minor deal, but it's important to me. And, reliability has been great, both as a player and a streamer of Netflix/etc. Mark
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Post by LCSeminole on Mar 16, 2016 21:03:06 GMT -5
Yes I agree the Panasonic is advertising there player as a premium level player, and the Samsung looks quite cheap. A premium pre-amp section with an upgraded DAC adds a pretty penny to the price, ie: the 95/105, and I already have a pre-amp, so I'm just wondering what Oppo may have up their sleave? I certainly won't be spending more than what I think the DMP-U900 will be priced at here in the US, so I hope Oppo at least offers a similar featured player as the Panasonic, as well as a bell and whistle model. As for me, the things I look for in a player are: 1) fast loading of disks 2) reliable, high quality playback 3) great handling of the video content Personally, I don't need/want my player to be a great DAC. I am thrilled with the XMC-1 and don't really want to be paying twice for great DAC's. (Don't ask me why I own an Oppo 105...feeling regrets on that call over a lesser Oppo!) Once I do have a 4K TV or PJ, I will worry about which player meets my needs. And, I think that will be a while. So, there will be plenty of options then that are not even around now. But, I have loved how fast my Oppo is today vs. my other players around the house. It sounds like a minor deal, but it's important to me. And, reliability has been great, both as a player and a streamer of Netflix/etc. Mark I'm pretty much in the same boat as you Mark, except loading times just don't make or break my buying decision. Yes I love my Oppo's and don't regret buying them, but I'm thinking that the 4K UHD blu-ray player will be the last physical disc media player and I'm not so sure that I'm going to want to pay more for it, since most likely it will only be used as a physical disc player in my setup. Like you, the DAC in the player is wasted money, as well as the streaming abilities, so I'm really just looking for a good disc player.
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Post by cawgijoe on Mar 16, 2016 21:42:58 GMT -5
As for me, the things I look for in a player are: 1) fast loading of disks 2) reliable, high quality playback 3) great handling of the video content Personally, I don't need/want my player to be a great DAC. I am thrilled with the XMC-1 and don't really want to be paying twice for great DAC's. (Don't ask me why I own an Oppo 105...feeling regrets on that call over a lesser Oppo!) Once I do have a 4K TV or PJ, I will worry about which player meets my needs. And, I think that will be a while. So, there will be plenty of options then that are not even around now. But, I have loved how fast my Oppo is today vs. my other players around the house. It sounds like a minor deal, but it's important to me. And, reliability has been great, both as a player and a streamer of Netflix/etc. Mark I'm pretty much in the same boat as you Mark, except loading times just don't make or break my buying decision. Yes I love my Oppo's and don't regret buying them, but I'm thinking that the 4K UHD blu-ray player will be the last physical disc media player and I'm not so sure that I'm going to want to pay more for it, since most likely it will only be used as a physical disc player in my setup. Like you, the DAC in the player is wasted money, as well as the streaming abilities, so I'm really just looking for a good disc player. It's really hard to predict if this will be it for physical media. Things seem to always improve and as long as the physical media has better picture and sound than streaming, there will be a market for audio and videophiles. The Oppo player I currently own is the best machine I've ever had. I'm sold on Oppo.
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Post by Percussionista on Mar 16, 2016 22:41:03 GMT -5
While I agree that Oppo makes one helluva media player, what else could they possibly add to a new UHD 4K blu-ray player that, as home theater enthusiasts, will we need that we don't already have except for disc playback?... The Oppo 103 is also almost a basic pre-pro which I would hope would be continued and made even better in the UHD version. The 103 has several HDMI inputs but lacks analog and digital audio inputs; it's processor section can define a 7.1 system of speakers whose "only" downside is that you can only define a single cross-over, not per speaker. If this were changed to allow for different crossovers per speaker in the new unit, and maybe a few digital coax/optical inputs, you could get some mileage out of just using the Oppo UHD player until a suitable external pre-pro came along - that handled HDR, etc. - so you could once again route all the HDMI cables into the pre-pro, instead of some to the UHD TV to get around video limitations. Unlike another poster I expect my first theater purchase of a UHD item will be the next Oppo player - then I will see about getting an appropriate UHD TV (probably 2017 models). If no "suitable" pre-pro was available (taking all things into consideration, features and price) I could hang out pretty well with just the new Oppo unit - but it really needs to have separately specifiable cross-overs per speaker, which should be a trivial parameter to build into the unit. The other advantage of an Oppo being a "basic" pre-pro is that it can take over temporary duty as such if your main pre-pro is "in the shop".
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Post by KeithL on Mar 17, 2016 11:34:00 GMT -5
I'll definitely be buying an Oppo when they come out.... they just seem to play everything... and do it well. (I definitely plan to buy the UHD equivalent of the 103 - without any fancy extras.)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2016 11:43:35 GMT -5
As for me, the things I look for in a player are: 1) fast loading of disks 2) reliable, high quality playback 3) great handling of the video content Personally, I don't need/want my player to be a great DAC. I am thrilled with the XMC-1 and don't really want to be paying twice for great DAC's. (Don't ask me why I own an Oppo 105...feeling regrets on that call over a lesser Oppo!) Once I do have a 4K TV or PJ, I will worry about which player meets my needs. And, I think that will be a while. So, there will be plenty of options then that are not even around now. But, I have loved how fast my Oppo is today vs. my other players around the house. It sounds like a minor deal, but it's important to me. And, reliability has been great, both as a player and a streamer of Netflix/etc. Mark I'm pretty much in the same boat as you Mark, except loading times just don't make or break my buying decision. Yes I love my Oppo's and don't regret buying them, but I'm thinking that the 4K UHD blu-ray player will be the last physical disc media player and I'm not so sure that I'm going to want to pay more for it, since most likely it will only be used as a physical disc player in my setup. Like you, the DAC in the player is wasted money, as well as the streaming abilities, so I'm really just looking for a good disc player. so i will ask a question to your question (in relation to why would you need an oppo UHD) why do you own an erc-1?
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Post by geebo on Mar 17, 2016 11:55:09 GMT -5
I'll definitely be buying an Oppo when they come out.... they just seem to play everything... and do it well. (I definitely plan to buy the UHD equivalent of the 103 - without any fancy extras.) My intentions exactly.
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Post by Bonzo on Mar 17, 2016 12:07:56 GMT -5
Totally understand the 103 vs 105 thing. 103 is easily the better bang for the buck. Makes complete sense.
I've never taken any of the Oppo plunges yet because what I have works well, and none of the Oppos would totally blow away what I have. By the time the 105 hit the market, talk of 4k was already on the street, so decided to keep waiting.
But when this new UHD thing does come along, I'm thinking I'll probably pony up and go as high as I can and get the 105 comparable unit. Why? Well for one thing I'm thinking this might be the last player I will ever buy (as long as it keeps working of course) or need. My gut tells me there will never be an 8k physical media format. I think by the time that comes around streaming and such will have caught up to 4k, and the benefits to 8k in the normal home will be nill. People say we will always move forward and I don't doubt that, regardless of if there is a real benefit or not. But I see the UHD disks as being the last of the breed. Video will go cloud based and the like from there on out I think. Secondly, with such a "last purchase" unit I'd like to have all the options and bells and whistles I can have. I'd like the option to use the Oppo DAC instead of the pre-amp processor (especially if Oppo fixes the current problem of always having to switching inputs to get it). Will it be better? Perhaps not, but I like to have options for both the now and the future. The more inputs and outputs the better. There are also other dumb reasons I won't mention because they aren't relevant to anyone other than me.
I think either the 103 or 105 (like 113 or 115) will be the way to go depending on your needs and how much money you are willing to spend.
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Post by LCSeminole on Mar 17, 2016 12:51:56 GMT -5
I'm pretty much in the same boat as you Mark, except loading times just don't make or break my buying decision. Yes I love my Oppo's and don't regret buying them, but I'm thinking that the 4K UHD blu-ray player will be the last physical disc media player and I'm not so sure that I'm going to want to pay more for it, since most likely it will only be used as a physical disc player in my setup. Like you, the DAC in the player is wasted money, as well as the streaming abilities, so I'm really just looking for a good disc player. so i will ask a question to your question (in relation to why would you need an oppo UHD) why do you own an erc-1? My signature hasn't been updated since I've setup my office(now updated), which is where I tend to listen to CD's while doing the bills and what have you.
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Post by mgbpuff on Mar 17, 2016 13:26:23 GMT -5
I have had the Samsung K8500 for 4 + weeks now and I have 14 UHD discs. I have HDMI cables going directly to my SUHD Samsung 65JS8500 and a second one (audio out only) going to my Marantz AV7702. My Oppo 103 is also in the system but goes to the Marantz which then outputs HDMI to the Samsung TV and to my Sony HW40 projector. I have found that this is a really good setup as the best picture settings for UHD disc playing is significantly different that the best setting for Bluray play. I am glad I did not wait for a better player, the Samsung UHD player is fast loading and delivers a fantastic picture, the UHD and WCG giving a real life effect that Bluray alone does not achieve. I am convinced that two players is the way to go anyway as I like my setup now. The player when a HDR UHD disc is played will change some picture settings automatically and when you go back to playing Bluray, these changed setting seem to remain. So a separate input on the TV saves one from changing picture settings all the time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2016 13:31:48 GMT -5
so i will ask a question to your question (in relation to why would you need an oppo UHD) why do you own an erc-1? My signature hasn't been updated since I've setup my office(now updated), which is where I tend to listen to CD's while doing the bills and what have you. Gotcha. But when you DID have it why did you? You had the xda-1 so the DAC was redundant. Any cheap CD player will get you the same result. So why the erc-1 I'm comparing the same reason to have an Oppo. Built like a tank. Quick load etc.
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Post by TempTag on Mar 17, 2016 13:44:37 GMT -5
My problem with the new format is not the players but content packaging. The UHD titles I've seen so far include a UHD disc but only an HD digital copy (why?!) and no 3D Bluray. 3D, when available, will remain a separate premium SKU. Someone who wants a UHD disc, a UHD digital copy and a 3D copy would easily spend over $90. I'll probably stick to 3D discs for the near future and buy UHD as a digital copy where available.
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Post by mgbpuff on Mar 17, 2016 13:58:28 GMT -5
All 14 of the UHD discs I have bought include a bluray disc AND a HD digital copy. None of them includes 3D however.
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Post by TempTag on Mar 17, 2016 14:11:31 GMT -5
Do you mean a UHD digital copy or an HD digital copy? The UHD discs I have seen show an HD digital copy when I would expect a UHD digital copy if I am buying a UHD disc.
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Post by mgbpuff on Mar 17, 2016 14:33:33 GMT -5
The digital copy is HD not UHD because it is meant for playback on assorted existing portable devices such as IOS and Android tablets, etc.
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Post by TempTag on Mar 17, 2016 14:41:58 GMT -5
Yeah, that is what I have seen but it is unfortunate. The current model used with UV titles included with bluray discs already accounts for devices that are only capable of lower quality. One can use the best copy they have (HD is what is included with blurays) or a lower quality copy is also available for phones, iPads or where bandwidth will prevent reliable playback of the better quality copy. This model could have easily been extended to UHD discs including a UHD digital copy with lower quality (HD and SD) available as needed. The current policy of a UHD disc getting an HD digital copy seems like a rather blatant attempt to sell 2 UHD copies of the same movie.
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