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Post by Lonnie on May 1, 2010 22:47:24 GMT -5
Has anyone here had any luck at getting all 5.1 channels on a LPCM 5.1 track on some blu-rays such as "Underworld" or "3:10 To Yuma" to play in "MultiPCM" mode on the UMC-1 without using DPL IIx? I have changed settings on my Panasonic blu-ray and the UMC-1 to no avail. If you have, please clue me in on what I'm not doing. LC, You are not doing anything wrong. When I had the UMC-1 with my Panasonic BD30 no matter what the settings were the UMC-1 would not play LPCM tracks in 5.1 only 2.0 . There is an issue with the UMC-1 that has to be corrected to be able to play Bluray LPCM at least when I had it with my BD30. I put my 886 back in my system and one of the first things I checked was Casino Royale with LPCM. The 886 displayed MultiPCM. So it was not a setting with my BD30 but the inability of the UMC-1 to play LPCM. Bill I was watching 3:10 earlier in MCPCM mode and had 5.1. I have a Pany blu-ray and I had to turn off the downmix within the player and it works just fine.
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Post by billmac on May 2, 2010 0:50:02 GMT -5
I was watching 3:10 earlier in MCPCM mode and had 5.1. I have a Pany blu-ray and I had to turn off the downmix within the player and it works just fine. Lonnie, I tried the downmix setting both off and on several times and it made no difference. Bill
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Post by Lonnie on May 2, 2010 1:04:58 GMT -5
I was watching 3:10 earlier in MCPCM mode and had 5.1. I have a Pany blu-ray and I had to turn off the downmix within the player and it works just fine. Lonnie, I tried the downmix setting both off and on several times and it made no difference. Bill I will certainly follow up on this, but mine is showing and playing 5.1.
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Post by mysterymachine on May 2, 2010 18:55:36 GMT -5
Has anyone here had any luck at getting all 5.1 channels on a LPCM 5.1 track on some blu-rays such as "Underworld" or "3:10 To Yuma" to play in "MultiPCM" mode on the UMC-1 without using DPL IIx? I have changed settings on my Panasonic blu-ray and the UMC-1 to no avail. If you have, please clue me in on what I'm not doing. Hmmm I tried Underworld blu-ray in my Oppo and it plays in 5.1 just perfectly with MultPCM in Direct mode. Sounds great. I'm using 6 beta v2. I hit Info and it says "Multi PCM 48Khz 3/2+LFE". I did notice if in the PS3 you let it auto-detect what audio the UMC can handle it does not show it able to handly any multi-channel PCM, only 2 but if you go in and set manually the UMC will process the signals. If I hit the mode + and - while watching underworld I get: Direct, DSP, Stereo, and then something labeled stereo but it is all channels so perhaps thats PLII.
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Post by Nemesis.ie on May 3, 2010 6:44:42 GMT -5
Speaking of info, can we get it to show e.g. 3/4+LFE when showing MCPCM rather than "L C R Rs LS RBS LBS LFE" or whatever big mouthful it currently has? I'd also love to see the resolution showing too, e.g. 16 or 24bit etc. Given the length of the string per the above, there should be plenty of room.
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Post by LCSeminole on May 3, 2010 7:53:45 GMT -5
Has anyone here had any luck at getting all 5.1 channels on a LPCM 5.1 track on some blu-rays such as "Underworld" or "3:10 To Yuma" to play in "MultiPCM" mode on the UMC-1 without using DPL IIx? I have changed settings on my Panasonic blu-ray and the UMC-1 to no avail. If you have, please clue me in on what I'm not doing. Hmmm I tried Underworld blu-ray in my Oppo and it plays in 5.1 just perfectly with MultPCM in Direct mode. Sounds great. I'm using 6 beta v2. I hit Info and it says "Multi PCM 48Khz 3/2+LFE". I did notice if in the PS3 you let it auto-detect what audio the UMC can handle it does not show it able to handly any multi-channel PCM, only 2 but if you go in and set manually the UMC will process the signals. If I hit the mode + and - while watching underworld I get: Direct, DSP, Stereo, and then something labeled stereo but it is all channels so perhaps thats PLII. With Lonnie above getting multi-channel pcm with his Panasonic blu-ray and you getting it with your Oppo, I must be missing an obscure setting or maybe a most obvious setting. The pcm downmix is set to off, so I know I'm missing something with two of you verifying the mc-pcm is working.
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Post by mysterymachine on May 3, 2010 11:55:24 GMT -5
Seminole - Well there have been a couple people with similar issues of it only doing 2 channel here on the forum so you are not alone.
On some of the Multi PCM test tracks on the AIX test disc (the same one Lonnie and Dan used in their UMC demo) I get only two channel as well.
Seems there are still some wrinkles with PCM/M.PCM on the UMC (off the top of my head I have an issue with the bass management on MPCM, another person was saying 2ch PCM sound quality is bad, someone else complained about ticks between songs on CD via PCM, and then there is the issue of modes on MPCM.. so a number of the outstanding issues are in this area). Hopefully now with the audio dropouts under control Lonnie and crew can work on things like this.
On the other hand the DTS HD and Dolby TrueHD works flawless for me everytime all the way up to 192khz.
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Post by LCSeminole on May 3, 2010 15:08:49 GMT -5
Seminole - Well there have been a couple people with similar issues of it only doing 2 channel here on the forum so you are not alone. On some of the Multi PCM test tracks on the AIX test disc (the same one Lonnie and Dan used in their UMC demo) I get only two channel as well. Seems there are still some wrinkles with PCM/M.PCM on the UMC (off the top of my head I have an issue with the bass management on MPCM, another person was saying 2ch PCM sound quality is bad, someone else complained about ticks between songs on CD via PCM, and then there is the issue of modes on MPCM.. so a number of the outstanding issues are in this area). Hopefully now with the audio dropouts under control Lonnie and crew can work on things like this. On the other hand the DTS HD and Dolby TrueHD works flawless for me everytime all the way up to 192khz. I don't doubt that Lonnie will clear these issues up. I just didn't realize how many of my blu-ray discs actually have the uncompressed lpcm 5.1 track. I just can't get it out my head that a setting in the player is to blame. This may just give me a reason to move on to an Oppo or Cambridge blu-ray player especially since I have a need for the SACD/DVD-A/HDCD capabilities, that is unless Big Dan doesn't happen to have one of these on the back burner that hasn't been leaked out yet.
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Post by hogweed75 on May 3, 2010 20:14:23 GMT -5
I have two different HTPC's connected to my UMC-1 right now. One uses an Saphire (ATI) 5570 card on a Gigabyte mb and the other unit is an Asus (Intel H55) style mb with an i3/540 and I get multi-ch PCM on both using PowerDVD9 and Arcsoft TMT3. DTSHD-MA and TrueHD work perfectly!
The new UMC-1 v.6 beta2 firmware is working much better with PCM. Locks on fast, can skip around with rarely a problem. Still having problems with Dolby Digital sometimes though. Center channel still gets shifted to a back speaker or not even on once in a while. Have to hit chapter search back a time or two to get it to lock on. I'm sure this will just keep improving though. Glad I stuck it out with the UMC-1 for the last few months! Nothing can touch it for the price.
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Post by LCSeminole on May 3, 2010 21:14:44 GMT -5
I resorted to pulling out my Panasonic blu-ray owners manual, you know the one thing that you think you already know 100%. ;D Well it mentions everything about all of the codecs, but doesn't mention a thing about LPCM streams, well this leads me to believe it is not capable thus the UMC-1 accepts it as a pcm stream and defaults to 2 channel. Time for a new blu-ray player, I only needed an excuse any way. ;D
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Post by Lonnie on May 3, 2010 21:24:16 GMT -5
I resorted to pulling out my Panasonic blu-ray owners manual, you know the one thing that you think you already know 100%. ;D Well it mentions everything about all of the codecs, but doesn't mention a thing about LPCM streams, well this leads me to believe it is not capable thus the UMC-1 accepts it as a pcm stream and defaults to 2 channel. Time for a new blu-ray player, I only needed an excuse any way. ;D If you press Info on the remote, it will show you what is coming into hte UMC. If it shows pcm 2.0, then that is all the Pany is sending it. Status will show what output format is selected, but Info shows what is being sent in. Hope this helps.
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Post by billmac on May 3, 2010 21:48:15 GMT -5
I resorted to pulling out my Panasonic blu-ray owners manual, you know the one thing that you think you already know 100%. ;D Well it mentions everything about all of the codecs, but doesn't mention a thing about LPCM streams, well this leads me to believe it is not capable thus the UMC-1 accepts it as a pcm stream and defaults to 2 channel. Time for a new blu-ray player, I only needed an excuse any way. ;D LC, I see that you have the BD80 which I would believe does LPCM. My BD30 does so I do not see why you would need a new player. Bill
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Post by brijenjas on May 3, 2010 22:11:47 GMT -5
I resorted to pulling out my Panasonic blu-ray owners manual, you know the one thing that you think you already know 100%. ;D Well it mentions everything about all of the codecs, but doesn't mention a thing about LPCM streams, well this leads me to believe it is not capable thus the UMC-1 accepts it as a pcm stream and defaults to 2 channel. Time for a new blu-ray player, I only needed an excuse any way. ;D LC, I see that you have the BD80 which I would believe does LPCM. My BD30 does so [ I do not see why you would need a new player.Bill Man, you sound like my wife. The man just needed an excuse to upgrade. Let him rationalize. ;D ;D ;D Hey LC, I think you need to get a new BD player.
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Post by billmac on May 3, 2010 22:28:19 GMT -5
Man, you sound like my wife. The man just needed an excuse to upgrade. Let him rationalize. ;D ;D ;D Hey LC, I think you need to get a new BD player. Just trying to give him some advice . If the BD80 does LPCM why dump the player when it could be an issue with the UMC-1? So you suggest getting another player when he might have the same issue? Sounds like good advice to me . Bill
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Post by monkumonku on May 3, 2010 22:41:55 GMT -5
LC, I see that you have the BD80 which I would believe does LPCM. My BD30 does so [ I do not see why you would need a new player.Bill Man, you sound like my wife. The man just needed an excuse to upgrade. Let him rationalize. ;D ;D ;D Hey LC, I think you need to get a new BD player. Yes, sometimes it takes quite an effort to find that excuse!! It helps when fellow lounge members are supportive. ;D
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Post by marius on May 3, 2010 23:04:18 GMT -5
Ps3 slim bitstream mode. 5.1 lpcm uncompressed shows up as 2.0 pcm. Beta2
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Post by 2infinity on May 3, 2010 23:35:09 GMT -5
I'll second the request for adding the eq to LPCM.
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Post by leefdalucky on May 4, 2010 8:24:55 GMT -5
I decided to start playing around with this last night (I forgot how much I had wanted to hear that PCM track on underworld)..and got the same results as LC. Mind you, I'm using the v5 with my UMC-1 (waiting on more v6 results). My Panny BD35 (v2.2) still reported sending PCM 2.0 to the UMC. Maybe I'll have to upgrade FW on the UMC and see how it does. I want to try one thing first, tonight, and that's to do a factory reset on the panasonic.
I didn't realize how many Blu's had Uncompressed PCM soundtracks. I've been missing a lot, apparently, and 2 channel just isn't cutting it for me.
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Post by ratmice on May 4, 2010 10:37:58 GMT -5
I've done a little playing around here, now that I got around to intalling v6ß2. Oppo BDP-83: I get 5.1 playing the LPCM track on 3:10 to Yuma. Using the AIX calibration disk, I only get 2.0 when using the LPCM test suites. The status reads No Audio. I am also seeing "extra" stereo mode that is actually 5.1. I can't help wondering why there is not an actual MCPCM mode, only direct and stereo. Just my .02.
p.s The hi-rez LPCM tracks from the 2L disc "The Nordic Sound" play fine, as well.
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Post by mysterymachine on May 4, 2010 11:50:01 GMT -5
I've done a little playing around here, now that I got around to intalling v6ß2. Oppo DBP 83: I get 5.1 playing the LPCM track on 3:10 to Yuma. Using the AIX calibration disk, I only get 2.0 when using the LPCM test suites. The status reads No Audio. I am also seeing "extra" stereo mode that is actually 5.1. I can't help wondering why there is not an actual MCPCM mode, only direct and stereo. Just my .02. Yep, my experience mirrors yours with the AIX test disk on many of the MPCM test tracks. But Underworld works fine for me.
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