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Post by jamrock on Aug 28, 2011 14:52:45 GMT -5
Upon my 'initial' review of the current information provided in support of the X-Ref subs, my feedback is that I'm NOT impressed... As far as what appears as an EMO marketing strategy, IMO, the 3 lines of good, better, and best is unnecessary product redundancy to support a customer mindset of upgraditis and that of corporate greed, which appears to delay the release of other 'promised' flagship products. I will NOT partake in this sub-offering (pun intended) of 'cheese' that is 'AlMOST', the best sub you offer. Please bring-on the TRUE reference series of Emo subs; otherwise, I'm jumping the EMO ship for a Rythmik! I believe that I, and others, will NOT wait forever... Emo is not the only audio 'show' in town. Thank-you! Say what?  |
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Post by LCSeminole on Aug 28, 2011 15:13:23 GMT -5
Upon my 'initial' review of the current information provided in support of the X-Ref subs, my feedback is that I'm NOT impressed... As far as what appears as an EMO marketing strategy, IMO, the 3 lines of good, better, and best is unnecessary product redundancy to support a customer mindset of upgraditis and that of corporate greed, which appears to delay the release of other 'promised' flagship products. I will NOT partake in this sub-offering (pun intended) of 'cheese' that is 'AlMOST', the best sub you offer. Please bring-on the TRUE reference series of Emo subs; otherwise, I'm jumping the EMO ship for a Rythmik! I believe that I, and others, will NOT wait forever... Emo is not the only audio 'show' in town. Thank-you! Not partaking in this sub-offering is definitely your choice, as for having options you've had them all along, as well as the rest of us. I personally didn't wait on Emotiva's subwoofers, SVS got my business in the subwoofer world. I'm not quite sure of the hostility in your post, but no one has forced you to wait and if Rythmik is what you want then why not go to their website and order just as I did on the SVS site back in late January??? Here's hoping your day takes a turn for the better.  |
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Post by flamingeye on Aug 28, 2011 16:53:34 GMT -5
I think he needs to get horizontal with someone
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Post by r1lee on Aug 28, 2011 18:49:51 GMT -5
Upon my 'initial' review of the current information provided in support of the X-Ref subs, my feedback is that I'm NOT impressed... As far as what appears as an EMO marketing strategy, IMO, the 3 lines of good, better, and best is unnecessary product redundancy to support a customer mindset of upgraditis and that of corporate greed, which appears to delay the release of other 'promised' flagship products. I will NOT partake in this sub-offering (pun intended) of 'cheese' that is 'AlMOST', the best sub you offer. Please bring-on the TRUE reference series of Emo subs; otherwise, I'm jumping the EMO ship for a Rythmik! I believe that I, and others, will NOT wait forever... Emo is not the only audio 'show' in town. Thank-you! Relax.... I thought I was stressed out. |
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Post by Dan Laufman on Aug 28, 2011 20:17:29 GMT -5
I just confirmed on phone with Emo. The Xref. 12 is the same driver as the Ultra 12. Is that good or bad? Same size, same driver, good or bad? Big Dan here... The Xref 12 s NOT the same driver!! The Xref 12 is a brand new drive unit with a high power 3" voice coil assembly, etc, etc. Sorry for any confusion! |
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Post by Dan Laufman on Aug 28, 2011 20:24:44 GMT -5
Upon my 'initial' review of the current information provided in support of the X-Ref subs, my feedback is that I'm NOT impressed... As far as what appears as an EMO marketing strategy, IMO, the 3 lines of good, better, and best is unnecessary product redundancy to support a customer mindset of upgraditis and that of corporate greed, which appears to delay the release of other 'promised' flagship products. I will NOT partake in this sub-offering (pun intended) of 'cheese' that is 'AlMOST', the best sub you offer. Please bring-on the TRUE reference series of Emo subs; otherwise, I'm jumping the EMO ship for a Rythmik! I believe that I, and others, will NOT wait forever... Emo is not the only audio 'show' in town. Thank-you! Kind sir, I would take offense at your characterization of my company, but anyone who has had dealings with us knows your comments do not ring true. Are we perfect? Certainly not! But we are most definitely not greed heads, dangling cheese under the noses of our clients; and we also know that we do not own our customers loyalty. Some of the new products under development are extremely complex and have taken longer then anticipated to complete. I'm not sure how your logic brought you to your conclusion, but we are not abusing you or anyone else for sport or greed! For being human and imperfect, you have my apologies, but that is where it ends. The new Xref subs, contrary to your opinion, are excellent products in every respect and I am quite certain that independent testing, customer experience, and feedback will prove this to be true. The Xref subs represent a significant improvement in performance over the Ultra subs and they deserve their place in our line up. As far as our competitors are concerned, we will leave it to our customers to determine who provides the best mix of features, performance, reliability, and overall value. You will all vote with your wallets in the end. As you can tell from our site, the product line is being updated and we are working on making every Emotiva product a market leader at their respective price points. We are also very intent on maintaining and expanding the idea of Emotiva as a complete line from end to end. We believe this is critical to the value and long term success of the company. The reason the XSP-1 specification has not been made public, as I have mentioned several times in the past, is that the performance of the first iteration of the XSP-1 did not meet my personal standard for performance and value. Back to the drawing board and now, the new version of the XSP-1 does. It's specifications will be released shortly. I am confident that upon its release it will set a new benchmark for high performance fully balanced preamplifier's. In fact, I believe it will redefine the market segment in terms of true value and overall performance! It's that good. It is my hope that in the future your confidence in our company will be restored. We continue to develop a wide range of new products and we are not done with our new subwoofer lineup. In the meantime, as you say, there are other options for everyone to choose from if Emotiva does not provide what you are looking for. Regards, Dan |
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Post by weird23 on Aug 28, 2011 20:28:21 GMT -5
Well said Dan.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2011 20:37:17 GMT -5
I would take offense at your characterization of my company, but anyone who has had dealings with us knows your comments do not ring true. Are we perfect? Certainly not!Dan As a owner of Emotiva speakers, speaker stand, amp, CDP and IC's (and future owner of pre-pro and powered monitors), I can confirm that this is not a perfect company. The only company or people that I have known that are prefect are my ex mother-in-law and Salma Hayek. However, in my 42 years in this sport hobby, I can confirm that this is the closest any company in this or any other business has come to being perfect, no other company has come even close, well except for Chuck E. Cheese. Warm Regards, ChuckieNut |
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Post by Dan Laufman on Aug 28, 2011 20:56:50 GMT -5
Thank you ChuckieNut and Weird23! ;D
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Post by pdaddy on Aug 28, 2011 21:23:41 GMT -5
"People do not buy what you do, they buy why you do it." Emotiva has a great loyal base because their leadership believe in and love what they do. And it's all about the music. Many buy because that passion shows through in their products they offer. Are all of them perfect the first time? No. But they continue to strive and seek a perfect balance of performance and excellence at a price point that most often exceeds the competition often as well at much higher price points. Beyond that, Emotiva fans feel part of something bigger than themselves individually. Whether through the forums, Emofest or the shows that they present the products, we appreciate why they do what they do. And so we are loyal to the brand and their products because we feel a part of that brand and celebrate their successes and many often encourage and support them as well when their the bumps in the road.
So with that, use the facts and your ears to assess what equipment you like, but nothing that I have seen in the 3+ years that I have tuned in to Emotiva EVER appeared to come off as corporate greed. These forums and Emofest are symbols of that fact.
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Post by monkumonku on Aug 28, 2011 22:45:15 GMT -5
"People do not buy what you do, they buy why you do it." Emotiva has a great loyal base because their leadership believe in and love what they do. And it's all about the music. Many buy because that passion shows through in their products they offer. Are all of them perfect the first time? No. But they continue to strive and seek a perfect balance of performance and excellence at a price point that most often exceeds the competition often as well at much higher price points. Beyond that, Emotiva fans feel part of something bigger than themselves individually. Whether through the forums, Emofest or the shows that they present the products, we appreciate why they do what they do. And so we are loyal to the brand and their products because we feel a part of that brand and celebrate their successes and many often encourage and support them as well when their the bumps in the road. So with that, use the facts and your ears to assess what equipment you like, but nothing that I have seen in the 3+ years that I have tuned in to Emotiva EVER appeared to come off as corporate greed. These forums and Emofest are symbols of that fact. Very true. "Corporate greed" is something that never comes to my mind when I think of Emotiva. Theirs is some of the most reasonably priced equipment you can find, especially for the quality that goes into it. |
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Post by hemster on Aug 28, 2011 22:57:18 GMT -5
"People do not buy what you do, they buy why you do it." Emotiva has a great loyal base because their leadership believe in and love what they do. And it's all about the music. Many buy because that passion shows through in their products they offer. Are all of them perfect the first time? No. But they continue to strive and seek a perfect balance of performance and excellence at a price point that most often exceeds the competition often as well at much higher price points. Beyond that, Emotiva fans feel part of something bigger than themselves individually. Whether through the forums, Emofest or the shows that they present the products, we appreciate why they do what they do. And so we are loyal to the brand and their products because we feel a part of that brand and celebrate their successes and many often encourage and, support them as well when their the bumps in the road. So with that, use the facts and your ears to assess what equipment you like, but nothing that I have seen in the 3+ years that I have tuned in to Emotiva EVER appeared to come off as corporate greed. These forums and Emofest are symbols of that fact. Very true. "Corporate greed" is something that never comes to my mind when I think of Emotiva. Theirs is some of the most reasonably priced equipment you can find, especially for the quality that goes into it. Yes, and it's not just the price-quality ratio (which is unbelievable) but also the service. Everything from the packaging to rapid delivery to a generous 5-yr warranty to excellent after-sale care. Hard to find any semblance of greed IMHO. |
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Post by paintedklown on Aug 28, 2011 23:25:04 GMT -5
The reason the XSP-1 specification has not been made public, as I have mentioned several times in the past, is that the performance of the first iteration of the XSP-1 did not meet my personal standard for performance and value. Back to the drawing board and now, the new version of the XSP-1 does. It's specifications will be released shortly. I am confident that upon its release it will set a new benchmark for high performance fully balanced preamplifier's. In fact, I believe it will redefine the market segment in terms of true value and overall performance! It's that good. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D This is music to my ears!!! Of all the Emo products on the horizon...the XSP-1 is the one I am longing for the most...I so badly want to mate one up with my XPA-1s.   ;D Thanks for the update Big Dan!  |
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Post by dragonV on Aug 29, 2011 2:50:40 GMT -5
Cools great to see you in the lounge Dan. Sad you have to defend a great company like emotiva against some of the mindless dribble some dish out. Ignore it and just keep up the awesome products and I'm over the moon!!!! Now how bout that xref 15" subbie for us 'never enough bass fans......... ' |
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Post by Dan Laufman on Aug 29, 2011 7:06:34 GMT -5
Well, every once in a while I feel the need to defend myself. For the most part, I let our actions speak for themselves.
We are working on a new Xref 15... hmmmm, what to do with 1,000 watts RMS!!!
Peace,
Big Dan
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2011 7:16:03 GMT -5
1,000 watts is just about right for a sub amp. Not all products can meet everyone's needs. I don't b!tch about the subs as I find so many other things to like about Emotiva. This guy should just get the Rythmik and stop waiting for what he hopes is coming.
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Post by flamingeye on Aug 29, 2011 7:28:33 GMT -5
Dan I would like to apologies for the lack of respect and understanding/ignorance of some of the posters here as you can see this is NOT the consensus of majority here , we the majority know what your company is all about and is evident in every produce you make, I may only own a few of your products right now but there my crowning jewel in the system , a company doesn`t acquire a hug fan base by being greedy and or producing inferior over priced produces that nobody wants I hope your company lives long and prospers
sincerely Jeff aka flamineye
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Post by r1lee on Aug 29, 2011 7:56:47 GMT -5
Well, every once in a while I feel the need to defend myself. For the most part, I let our actions speak for themselves. We are working on a new Xref 15... hmmmm, what to do with 1,000 watts RMS!!! Peace, Big Dan Ok Dan, enough. Haha. Seriously, I'm looking at 2 subs, with the Xref 15 and the up and coming ERS 212, oh the choices! |
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Post by flamingeye on Aug 29, 2011 8:35:54 GMT -5
Oooo haaa 15" now where talking my kinda subs , but I hope where talking really 15" and not 13" -14" in a 15" frame ;D j/k I know you guys wouldn`t do that
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Post by alphaiii on Aug 29, 2011 10:55:54 GMT -5
Big Dan here... The Xref 12 s NOT the same driver!! The Xref 12 is a brand new drive unit with a high power 3" voice coil assembly, etc, etc. Sorry for any confusion! Hi Dan, Is this the same for the Xref 10.... different driver than the Ultra 10? On a side note, how does the Xref 10 compare to the Ultra 12? Does the DSP in the amp squeeze more extension out of the Xref 10, despite it being a smaller driver than the Ultra 12? Based on the Audioholics measurements of the Ultra 12, it has alot of output above 40Hz, but falls off around 30Hz... I don't need all the output of the 12, but would like comparable or deeper extension... Just curious if the Xref 10 would fit the bill, or if it would still roll off a bit higher than the Ultra 12... Thanks... |
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