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Post by ntrain42 on Dec 7, 2009 14:07:42 GMT -5
LOL! Is that all you can state? Disagree with anything I say? Why not add something constructive to the conversation? I mean you yourself and all others are here on this board why? Because you want good amplification/processing products for a relatively reasonable amount right? Why do you think you can get a good decent power amplifier for well under $1k? Because Emotiva has no salesroom floor, no advertising costs,no middleman, they make their amps overseas to reduce mfg. costs and in the end you get a product that performs relatively well thats actually affordable. How many people do you think would be on these boards and buying their products if they were charging triple or more through a reseller like most other audio companies? No where near as many thats for sure.  excuse me, i didnt know i needed to prove myself to you as i have been a contributing member of this forum for a long time now. Ever since you joined this forum you have been turbo posting YOUR opinions in a very pompous way, that not only I noticed, but several other members including the Administrator had cited and told you to cool it. There is a line between being informative and being a self righteous ass who thinks his ideas and opinions are infallable. Perhaps you need to brush up on your social skills? Not sure, but every single one of your posts is thrown out in a argumentative manner. Again there is a proper and an inproper way to do this. Oh, I see, just because you crank out x amount of posts per day and have been kicking around for awhile means its OK for you to post whatever you want(and you I have noticed post your own snide remarks without need). Instead of attacking my own percieved way of posting, why not attack or debate the specific post on its MERITS itself instead of just attacking the post because of who posts it? I find it funny a very select few people here have problems doing this. I'll tell you why because my own "opinions" and ideas are based on tried and true practices, facts and fundamentals. So instead of attacking the posts themselves people decide to instead attack the person who writes them. Classy. You may have an issue with how I perceivedly post, but yourself and a few others end up being no better yourselves in the process. Never once here have I attacked an individual. I may have debated or disagreed with their opinions and ideas, but I never make it personal unlike yourself. |
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Post by Pauly on Dec 7, 2009 14:20:04 GMT -5
Let's move on shall we? How about those Emo subs? I can't wait.
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Post by jmilton on Dec 7, 2009 14:42:37 GMT -5
Ah, the pursuit of intellectual discourse!  "Everyone who is incapable of learning has taken to teaching."- Oscar Wilde |
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Post by ntrain42 on Dec 7, 2009 15:00:58 GMT -5
Ah, the pursuit of intellectual discourse! "Everyone who is incapable of learning has taken to teaching."- Oscar Wilde "People who quote other individual thoughts and ideas have the inability to think for themselves" -Todd Eichenbaum Where is the "boob" comment you normally post? |
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Post by jmilton on Dec 7, 2009 15:23:44 GMT -5
Ah, the pursuit of intellectual discourse! "Everyone who is incapable of learning has taken to teaching."- Oscar Wilde "People who quote other individual thoughts and ideas have the inability to think for themselves" -Todd Eichenbaum Where is the "boob" comment you normally post? ... touche! Nice quote. & "I am saving it for another time!"- Jim Milton |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2009 20:56:01 GMT -5
JL F112....never read a bad review on it. Many reviewers have it as their benchmark reference sub: www.audiovideonews.com/onhometheater/20070701.htm"In fact, the Fathom JL f112 is the best subwoofer I’ve ever used. It exudes quality, from its elegant cabinetwork to the transparent way it handles whatever dynamic sounds you throw at it without any sense of strain. My long-term reference sub, the Sunfire Signature, now sounds anemic. I’m now spoiled for any other sub." - Wes Marshall
Having heard it, I would agree. Can't wait to see reviews on the Emotiva subs...my experience is, if you see the driver moving...it's doing it's job moving air. Most subs employ a long throw driver to achieve depth. The Earthquake Audio Super Nova moves at 14Hz, but is inaudible. But boy, can you feel it! Jim, you might want to read the Sound & Vision review on the f112. It is OK but not in the same class as the larger subs such as the SVS PB12-plus in the same review which far outclasses it. I'm not sure who Wes Marshall is but if he thinks the f112 and the Sunfire subs are reference level he must be deaf! ;D There is a place for the small subs (for those who don't have the space for a large box sub) but there is no way they compete with conventional enclosure size subs. As I mentioned in another post recently: "..... You might know that the JL f112 gets rave reviews here at at other forums. It also has 1500 watts and a 18.5 x 15 x 17.5 cabinet size (4856 cu in and 115 lbs). The SVS has 525 watts and a 21 x 19 x 25 cabinet size (9975 cu in and 127 lbs). The f112 hit a very loud maximum of 118.2 dB's but at 63Hz. At 22.5 Hz and 10% distortion it only reached 95.4 Hz. The SVS delivered its maximum output of 114.8dB's at 20Hz! From 20-80Hz it was between 108.7 and 114.8Hz at 10% distortion. Now that is real subwoofer performance!....." |
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Post by jmilton on Dec 7, 2009 21:04:20 GMT -5
You indeed are very bass fellow!
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Post by ntrain42 on Dec 7, 2009 21:20:49 GMT -5
Why "reviewers" give max spl volume specs at 10% is beyond me. At that point, there is significant abuse going on for both the subwoofer and amplifier. I can honestly see posting max spl levels at 1%, but even then your pushing equipment past levels they are not designed to take long term. One reason why I am a fan of running multiple subs in parallel at significantly lower power levels. Not only does it sound significantly better, but the equipment will last alot longer too. My PSW's have alot of daily use on them, for many years, and will continue to for the forseeable future.
That f112 has a true 420watt RMS class D amp rated at .1% distortion using a relatively inefficient driver in a small sealed enclosure, for real world clean output it has alot going against it. The SVS's 525 watts is also rated at .1% distortion. And the internal driver is alot more efficient, plus add to the fact the enclosure is ported and larger. The SVS should kick the cr@p out of the f112 at all frequencies above its tune. And for what? roughly a third the cost? No brainer here.
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Dec 8, 2009 8:11:53 GMT -5
+1 on not testing with distortion and adding more subs if you need more SPL.
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Post by ratmice on Dec 8, 2009 9:02:01 GMT -5
Now when I have all 4 PSW2500 subs hooked up in parallel next to each other, the gains are turned down to almost 0 literally. I now have appreciable frequency extension down to about 15hz. And when a loud hard thounderios clap or explosion occurs, each of those drivers barely move, even on a 20=25hz hit. No distortion, the sound is extremely smooth even below the audible frequency. The room literally "shakes" without shaking. I don't really understand a lot about subwoofers, so bear with me here. The PSW2500 is rated at 33Hz low end freq. resp. How do you even get 15 Hz output at an appreciable level and clarity. I'm not "piling on" here I really don't know about this stuff. If I can get stellar bass response with a bunch of small subs, I'm sure the wife would appreciate that. I tend to think in the "bigger is better" realm - at least where low freq. output is concerned. |
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Post by jmilton on Dec 8, 2009 9:50:47 GMT -5
Human hearing will max out at around 20Hz...the rest is sub sonic, which can be felt, but not heard.
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Post by ntrain42 on Dec 8, 2009 10:53:04 GMT -5
Now when I have all 4 PSW2500 subs hooked up in parallel next to each other, the gains are turned down to almost 0 literally. I now have appreciable frequency extension down to about 15hz. And when a loud hard thounderios clap or explosion occurs, each of those drivers barely move, even on a 20=25hz hit. No distortion, the sound is extremely smooth even below the audible frequency. The room literally "shakes" without shaking. I don't really understand a lot about subwoofers, so bear with me here. The PSW2500 is rated at 33Hz low end freq. resp. How do you even get 15 Hz output at an appreciable level and clarity. I'm not "piling on" here I really don't know about this stuff. If I can get stellar bass response with a bunch of small subs, I'm sure the wife would appreciate that. I tend to think in the "bigger is better" realm - at least where low freq. output is concerned. Thats a good question, and I'd be glad to answer that for you! A single 10" driver can only extend down to 30ish hz roughly by itself(give or take a few hz depending on room loading/placement), correct. BUt when you add multiple drivers in line, the low end extension naturally extends lower into the frequencdy range. To get good low frequency extension you need CONE SPACE. 1 single 10" can only go so low, but when you have 4 10" drivers working together, the amount of air they can move is significantly increased and the low frequency extension is extended. So in reality your right, the bigger the better. 4 10" drivers and their respective enclosures working in parallel IS BIGGER than a single 10" sub driver. SO with my setup(4 10" drivers), I set the xover around 40-50hz(which flattens out the natural bump these subs get around 60-80hz), use the pre/pro eq to flatten out any remaining bump or dip below the xover point(which wasnt needed in my case really) to give me a ruler flat smooth response from 20hz-80hz(with appreciable sub bass response between 15-20hz) roughly to where my satallites extend down to. |
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Post by mattyd on Dec 9, 2009 18:22:23 GMT -5
I've been waiting for these subs since they were first announced. Now that I have some Emotiva speakers I would really like to see these come out but I'm starting to think that they are like "vaporware". I hope I'm proved wrong.
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Post by roadrunner on Dec 9, 2009 22:18:26 GMT -5
I've been waiting for these subs since they were first announced. Now that I have some Emotiva speakers I would really like to see these come out but I'm starting to think that they are like "vaporware". I hope I'm proved wrong. I hope you are wrong too. When I went to the Emofest Weekend Celebration, one of the first topics I brought up to Big Dan was the ERS series subwoofers. He said that they had been on the cusp of releasing them over a year ago, but decided that they just weren't good enough to wear the Emotiva name. As a result, the redesign went back to ground zero. That effort will bring us a superior product with a sturdier enclosure having improved bracing; a high-end driver having die cast aluminum frame and advanced voice coils and magnet structure; redesigned spiders for smooth operation at extreme levels; an advanced low-distortion motor assembly with integrated heat-sink mounted on motor structure; Integrated copper and aluminum shorting rings to reduce distortion; and internally damped, low resonance sealed enclosure. In addition to all the improvements in the enclosure and driver, a newly designed 1.25K Watt/RMS amplifier was created solely for this subwoofer; and, to top it all off an automatic, graphical room optimization software package was added. The package allows the user to shape the woofers performance within the room by modifying frequency response within each of the equalizer's bands in 1 Hz increments... all in real-time. Sweet. This is the package that Lonnie demoed to some of us during Emofest. The programming has been completed and completely debugged. It is ready for prime time. This jewel with give you unprecedented control over your subwoofer. The flexibility and control that this software will offer will make Velodyne and SVS envious of Emotiva's subwoofer EQ abilities. Dan and Lonnie both said that all of the parts to manufacture are in the factory and ready to go. It just a matter of getting an assembly line setup and get scheduling time to start production. No availability date has been given for them, but I think it should be available in early 2010. Here's hoping my guess is accurate. ;D |
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Post by bigred7078 on Dec 9, 2009 22:53:49 GMT -5
actually roadrunner, the subs demoed to us at Emofest were the Ultra subs, not the ERS subs.
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Post by roadrunner on Dec 9, 2009 23:52:54 GMT -5
actually roadrunner, the subs demoed to us at Emofest were the Ultra subs, not the ERS subs. Steve I am well aware of that. If I made you think I was talking about the subs that were used during Emofest, I am sorry. The only thing demoed at Emofest related to the ERS subs was Lonnie's software for calibrating and equalizing the subs. I was just sharing what Big Dan told me during our conversation about where the ERS series stood. To my knowledge, there was not even a prototype of the ERS subs at Emofest. None of my above post had anything to do with the Ultra series subs that were demoed in both the theater and the 2-channel room. Again, if anything I wrote left you with the impression that I was talking about the Ultra's while thinking they were the ERS's, I appologize. I knew that the subs being demoed were the Ultra's. I guess, after re-reading my post, you got confused when I said that Lonnie demoed the "SOFTWARE" that will be used in the amp/equalizer module. If you would carefully re-read my post and see if my wording still misleads you, I would appreciate it. I may need to re-word that part of my post if you still think I need to. Thanks. |
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Post by mattyd on Dec 9, 2009 23:57:02 GMT -5
sounds amazing I just hope I can afford it
Roadrunner where are you in NC?
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Post by bigred7078 on Dec 13, 2009 12:51:17 GMT -5
actually roadrunner, the subs demoed to us at Emofest were the Ultra subs, not the ERS subs. Steve I am well aware of that. If I made you think I was talking about the subs that were used during Emofest, I am sorry. The only thing demoed at Emofest related to the ERS subs was Lonnie's software for calibrating and equalizing the subs. I was just sharing what Big Dan told me during our conversation about where the ERS series stood. To my knowledge, there was not even a prototype of the ERS subs at Emofest. None of my above post had anything to do with the Ultra series subs that were demoed in both the theater and the 2-channel room. Again, if anything I wrote left you with the impression that I was talking about the Ultra's while thinking they were the ERS's, I appologize. I knew that the subs being demoed were the Ultra's. I guess, after re-reading my post, you got confused when I said that Lonnie demoed the "SOFTWARE" that will be used in the amp/equalizer module. If you would carefully re-read my post and see if my wording still misleads you, I would appreciate it. I may need to re-word that part of my post if you still think I need to. Thanks. whoops, my fault i just misread. |
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Post by roadrunner on Dec 13, 2009 18:30:41 GMT -5
sounds amazing I just hope I can afford it Roadrunner where are you in NC? I live outside of a little town call Faith, but I have a Salisbury postal address. I am 12 miles from Salisbury and 2 miles from Faith -- you tell me why I have a Salisbury postal address.  Are you from NC too? |
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Post by mattyd on Dec 13, 2009 20:44:46 GMT -5
sounds amazing I just hope I can afford it Roadrunner where are you in NC? I live outside of a little town call Faith, but I have a Salisbury postal address. I am 12 miles from Salisbury and 2 miles from Faith -- you tell me why I have a Salisbury postal address. Are you from NC too? No I'm not I live in a little town outside of Columbia, SC called Lugoff pronounced (Lou-golf). I just know there are a lot of people on the forum from NC and just wondering if enough people want to try to put together a meet and greet if maybe emo would come and bring the subs. |
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