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Sept 16, 2012 22:08:29 GMT -5
Post by Dark Ranger on Sept 16, 2012 22:08:29 GMT -5
I know this is an RMC-1 thread, but with all the discussion about the XMC-1 and TacT, I feel that some folks need to see this again: Hi everyone,
Glad to see such spirited discussion regarding the XMC-1.
Well, for those of you who were at Emofest, I think that your confidence level in the XMC-1 is running very high. We ran the XMC-1 in our demo theater all weekend long without a glitch. We certainly have more work to do, but if you've had any experience with these types of products, you know you can't fake correct operation. The XMC-1 is going to be a killer product.
I feel the need to address some of the comments regarding the initial release of the XMC-1. As stated, it will initially release without the TacT SW module implemented, but it WILL be released in Q1 of 2013. It will ship with the new professional caliber measurement microphone and ail necessary hardware fully implemented to support the Tact system. You will literally download the new updated code to a USB drive and it will self install on the XMC-1.
Some of you say that you are concerned about buying the XMC-1 without room correction implemented. My answer is: don't buy it. If you don't believe that we will live up to our word and deliver on our promise to you then I don't know what to say. You've seen our effort to date. You've met Boz, you've seen our investment and dedication to this product, either you believe us or you don't. We respect your decision and understand if you elect to wait or go another way, but we are confident in the path that we are on, and know that we are very close to completion.
Also, the XMC-1 will never be "finished". That's the very nature of it's design and system architecture. It is designed to allow the XMC-1 to continuously evolve and improve.
The XMC-1 will ship with a very capable parametric EQ system and extensive bass management installed. I can name several multi-thousand dollar pre-pro's that do not offer as much capability as our basic system, and they are receiving kudos for being "pure, no nonsense" products. Heck, some of them don't even have on screen display for nearly $10k!!
We added the Tact room correction feature late in the development cycle of the XMC-1. We need time to implement it properly. We did not add a penny to the cost of the unit when we did this. It will be one of the most capable room correction systems available on the market when it is completed. If you think your 900 bucks is at risk because it will initially ship without TacT, then sit back, keep your money in your pocket, and relax. Maybe you can sell your upgrade certificate to someone else and use the money towards a $5k-10k "real" AVP. Please don't sit on the sidelines and hammer us endlessly. It's not necessary. We haven't taken your money. And we haven't done any one any harm.
For those of you who believe in us, you will not be disappointed! I think everyone who knows us knows we're really doing this. If you were here at Emofest you know it's real.
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Sept 16, 2012 23:56:45 GMT -5
Post by emovac on Sept 16, 2012 23:56:45 GMT -5
Big Dan brought an important point forward that kind of hit home - Tact wasn't even part of the equation a year ago. As I understand it from people who attended emofest, the XMC-1 did a great job without Tact being installed. I see no reason to doubt what emotiva says, but if you do sharkman, you should sit on the sidelines, and let things develop. Read the reviews once the product is released and make your decision from there. I have some reservations, but I have no reason to distrust or disbelieve emotiva. Since I now understand it is merely a software integration to add Tact, I am more comfortable with what emotiva is proposing.
Disclosure: I have no economic interest with emotiva or any associated companies.
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Sept 16, 2012 23:59:11 GMT -5
Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 16, 2012 23:59:11 GMT -5
But does this discussion need to go on in every thread, isn't having it in the "Prospective XMC-1 Buyers Thread" enough. This is an RMC-1 thread and by the time this unit ships, the issues with TaCT will be old news (good or bad) - does every thread have to become about woe for the the XMC and TaCT (or less TaCT).
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Sept 17, 2012 7:58:11 GMT -5
Post by cwt on Sept 17, 2012 7:58:11 GMT -5
Been snooping around a bit on TacT website... Think I may found out why the RMC-1 will probably be "9.3" or twelve channel in total: Nice digging Erwin ; the .3 with re assignable main/sub switching gives further credence to halcro type switching I mentioned  Must say as tip said its no surprise that the tact site is in disrepair ;one thing follows the next ;one of the boss's has left the building;doh www.stereomojo.com/LyngdorfSDA2175AmplfierReview.htmPar for the course for many I would hope Tip. Hey Jeff Talmadge the denon product development manager has left for nad ; oh noes denons stuffed  ;D |
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Sept 17, 2012 11:22:06 GMT -5
Post by billmac on Sept 17, 2012 11:22:06 GMT -5
Separate in your mind the company Tact, the brains behind it, the $ behind it, and Emotiva. Does "Boz" own the rights to the TacT name and was it his business? If the answer to both these questions is no then I can see why some would be concerned. Bill |
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Sept 17, 2012 11:56:43 GMT -5
Post by chaosrv on Sept 17, 2012 11:56:43 GMT -5
As Emotiva would need to enter into a licensing agreement in order to use TacT, I would venture to guess that any potential issues of ownership (name, codebase, patents etc..) would have been addressed already.
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Sept 17, 2012 12:28:02 GMT -5
Post by Tip on Sept 17, 2012 12:28:02 GMT -5
Separate in your mind the company Tact, the brains behind it, the $ behind it, and Emotiva. Does "Boz" own the rights to the TacT name and was it his business? If the answer to both these questions is no then I can see why some would be concerned. Bill The answer to both questions is YES. After Peter Lyngdorf and Boz split, TacT Audio became Boz's company and Peter started Lyngdorf Audio. The room correction system was developed by Boz. They both had rights to the digital amp technology, which previously had been sold to TI (Texas Instruments). The TacT speakers were developed/commissioned by Peter, who owns DALI, and became Lyngdorf speakers. Peter then had a completely new room correction system developed called RoomPerfect, which is now used by Lyngdorf, SteinwayLyngdorf, and in the top McIntosh pre/pro. The history starts back in the early 1990s when Peter owned Snell and developed a very expensive room correction system for Snell speakers. Then Peter met Boz, who had developed a new room correction system. Peter sold Snell after Keven Voecks left and went to Harman International where he started the Revel speaker line. Peter, who at the time was the majority owner of NAD, decided to develop the RCS processors and digital amps with Boz at NAD. Peter then sold his shares of NAD and started TacT with Boz making the original RCS 2.2 processor and the Millennium digital amp. Then there was some acrimonious disagreement between Boz and Peter that caused a nasty split. Boz created a new product line called "Boz" but it wasn't successful. Last year Boz moved TacT from New Jersey to New Mexico, and we have heard very little from him since then. I do know a very successful TacT dealer/modifier who has joined Boz at TacT and the last we heard from him was when he asked the members of TAUG for suggestions on the next generation of TacT processors. So it looks like TacT Audio is in the process of developing its next generation of processors and amps while ignoring its existing customers. Boz is probably keeping TacT afloat by licensing his RCS to Emotiva. Those waiting for the XMC-1 and RMC-1 with TacT RCS should see that as a positive thing ;D Tip |
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Sept 17, 2012 12:35:16 GMT -5
Post by billmac on Sept 17, 2012 12:35:16 GMT -5
The answer to both questions is YES. After Peter Lyngdorf and Boz split, TacT Audio became Boz's company and Peter started Lyngdorf Audio. The room correction system was developed by Boz. They both had rights to the digital amp technology, which previously had been sold to TI (Texas Instruments). The TacT speakers were developed/commissioned by Peter, who owns DALI, and became Lyngdorf speakers. Peter then had a completely new room correction system developed called RoomPerfect, which is now used by Lyngdorf, SteinwayLyngdorf, and in the top McIntosh pre/pro. The history starts back in the early 1990s when Peter owned Snell and developed a very expensive room correction system for Snell speakers. Then Peter met Boz, who had developed a new room correction system. Peter sold Snell after Keven Voecks left and went to Harman International where he started the Revel speaker line. Peter, who at the time was the majority owner of NAD, decided to develop the RCS processors and digital amps with Boz at NAD. Peter then sold his shares of NAD and started TacT with Boz making the original RCS 2.2 processor and the Millennium digital amp. Then there was some acrimonious disagreement between Boz and Peter that caused a nasty split. Boz created a new product line called "Boz" but it wasn't successful. Last year Boz moved TacT from New Jersey to New Mexico, and we have heard very little from him since then. I do know a very successful TacT dealer/modifier who has joined Boz at TacT and the last we heard from him was when he asked the members of TAUG for suggestions on the next generation of TacT processors. So it looks like TacT Audio is in the process of developing its next generation of processors and amps while ignoring its existing customers. Boz is probably keeping TacT afloat by licensing his RCS to Emotiva. Those waiting for the XMC-1 and RMC-1 with TacT RCS should see that as a positive thing ;D Tip Tip, Thanks for answering my questions . Bill |
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Sept 17, 2012 13:33:38 GMT -5
Post by DYohn on Sept 17, 2012 13:33:38 GMT -5
Wow, always so much trolling on this board... can't we just stop all the bullshite and wait to see what happens?
As far as a future RMC pre/pro, I'd be interested in reviewing a Cary Audio approach of using separate audio and video processors in a truly "reference" level line.
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Sept 17, 2012 14:12:12 GMT -5
Post by villock on Sept 17, 2012 14:12:12 GMT -5
Enough already. Unless you conspiracy theorists are Dan's CFO then you are being disrespectful posting this crap on Emotiva's forum.
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Sept 17, 2012 15:32:01 GMT -5
Post by GreenKiwi on Sept 17, 2012 15:32:01 GMT -5
As far as a future RMC pre/pro, I'd be interested in reviewing a Cary Audio approach of using separate audio and video processors in a truly "reference" level line. Back to "interesting" topics. That's a really cool idea. You'd have to have a good "link" between them, so that inputs would only have to be plugged into one place, for instance, the "video" processor would have all the HDMI inputs and simply pass the currently selected inputs audio stream down to the audio processor. The audio processor might pass some OSD information back... you could then have them separately upgradable. I wonder whether the thinking is that by the time you want to upgrade one part or the other, both parts would be out of date, so why have the added cost and complexity. |
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Sept 17, 2012 15:46:47 GMT -5
Post by Bruce on Sept 17, 2012 15:46:47 GMT -5
As Emotiva would need to enter into a licensing agreement in order to use TacT, I would venture to guess that any potential issues of ownership (name, codebase, patents etc..) would have been addressed already. +1 |
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Sept 17, 2012 15:54:41 GMT -5
Post by emovac on Sept 17, 2012 15:54:41 GMT -5
As Emotiva would need to enter into a licensing agreement in order to use TacT, I would venture to guess that any potential issues of ownership (name, codebase, patents etc..) would have been addressed already. In light of Boz being reported alive and well at Emofest by many posters here, this should all have been worked out. |
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Sept 17, 2012 16:01:19 GMT -5
Post by LCSeminole on Sept 17, 2012 16:01:19 GMT -5
Enough already. Unless you conspiracy theorists are Dan's CFO then you are being disrespectful posting this crap on Emotiva's forum. I completely agree with the disrespectful posting. If you want to discuss speculation about finances, Big Dan's business decisions, the business relationship between Emotiva and Tact Audio, etc., etc., etc., then do so off the Lounge, or instead of using a keyboard try calling up the parties involved and asking in person what's really on your mind. If you have nothing to add to the actual OP's thread subject please move on to one that you do. As for the moderators being lenient, it's a diyd, diyd thing. I bet if we started cracking down on every little rules infraction we'd hear a different tune. Yes, I've gone through and modified or deleted posts, so if you want to discuss anything about what I've done, do so in a PM as anything else off topic in this thread will be deleted. Please move this thread back on track, and thank you for your cooperation.  |
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Sept 17, 2012 16:10:55 GMT -5
Post by DYohn on Sept 17, 2012 16:10:55 GMT -5
As far as a future RMC pre/pro, I'd be interested in reviewing a Cary Audio approach of using separate audio and video processors in a truly "reference" level line. Back to "interesting" topics. That's a really cool idea. You'd have to have a good "link" between them, so that inputs would only have to be plugged into one place, for instance, the "video" processor would have all the HDMI inputs and simply pass the currently selected inputs audio stream down to the audio processor. The audio processor might pass some OSD information back... you could then have them separately upgradable. I wonder whether the thinking is that by the time you want to upgrade one part or the other, both parts would be out of date, so why have the added cost and complexity. Exactly my thoughts. Also, I always thought a high-end amplifeir with the signal path in a completely different chassis than the power supply would make for a very low noise floor. It worked for McIntosh... |
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Sept 17, 2012 16:31:29 GMT -5
Post by DYohn on Sept 17, 2012 16:31:29 GMT -5
I completely agree with the disrespectful posting. Thank you for cleaning up this thread. I know it is a lot of work. |
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Sept 17, 2012 16:52:36 GMT -5
Post by LCSeminole on Sept 17, 2012 16:52:36 GMT -5
I completely agree with the disrespectful posting. Thank you for cleaning up this thread. I know it is a lot of work. Thanks, as I know you know what the moderating thing is all about. I have always been intrigued with how Cary Audio dealt with their home theater processors, separating pretty much all of the video into a stand alone video processor and having the audio processor extremely limited on video(just enough to get by on it's own). I think this is how Cary Audio has made name for itself on it's audio sound. If the RMC-1 were to go this route, and I doubt Emotiva would go there, but I do wonder how well that would go over with audiophiles, as this would have to be there target sales. I did learn something new today from what you said about McIntosh. Didn't know that they've used different chassis for the signal path and power supply. |
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Sept 17, 2012 18:26:57 GMT -5
Post by Erwin.BE on Sept 17, 2012 18:26:57 GMT -5
I was off for 24 hours and it seems I missed a good nasty fight? Tsk, tsk... be good boys! I know nothing about electronics but I am a curious type (as most blokes here) and want to know how stuf works. Based on that gathered info, I then decide what to buy, or do. I simply googeled TacT and found the website and it had very good info. I did the same for Lyngdorf last year and was intrigued by it long before Emotiva decided to adopt it's split-off TacT to the XMC-1.
I will be buying a RMC-1, period.
Did a lot of reading on acoustics also and I learned that Room Correction is only the icing on the cake. It can only do so many things. Sure, it can cut off peaks, but dips in the frequency bands are a lot harder if not impossible to compensate for. It can also not cure excessive reverberations or deal with first reflection points. Vettel has little or no use for an engine with 100 extra HP if the chassis doesn't hold the road. There's company's that sell you an acoustic package from their webshop. It may be better than nothing, but proper treatments can only be proposed after measuring the room's response.
Only a pro acoustician will get me a the best room possible. I am meeting one next Friday. His fee is remarquably reasonable. Especially when compared to the rest of the investment.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 17, 2012 18:32:54 GMT -5
Only a pro acoustician will get me a the best room possible. I am meeting one next Friday. His fee is remarquably reasonable. "Especially when compared to the rest of the investment." Good point, it will be interesting to hear his recommendations. |
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Sept 17, 2012 18:36:20 GMT -5
Post by LCSeminole on Sept 17, 2012 18:36:20 GMT -5
Only a pro acoustician will get me a the best room possible. I am meeting one next Friday. His fee is remarquably reasonable. "Especially when compared to the rest of the investment." Good point, it will be interesting to hear his recommendations. Erwin, I too will be curious in what those recommendations are. |
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