LCSeminole
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Post by LCSeminole on Mar 5, 2013 19:56:28 GMT -5
I guess my small imoticon didn't work.... so here you go..... Although I agree with your views, I don't agree with you methods. You come into this thread like a bull in a china shop - yelling you're stupid. Just one time I'd like to see one of these cable threads stick to civility and rationality. I guess it's just not possible! I agree, which is why I'll be cleaning up anything posted that is even remotely demeaning.
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Post by Boomzilla on Mar 5, 2013 20:00:28 GMT -5
Hi CFElliot -
Sure it's possible. Just ignore the rude ones. I'm in the minority, but there's no reason to be uncivil about it. i respect others' opinions even if I don't agree. I further understand the weight of evidence that argues against what I hear. We can all agree (civilly) to disagree.
Those who have no manners can be (politely) ignored.
Cheers - Boom
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Post by thepcguy on Mar 5, 2013 20:02:41 GMT -5
I guess my small imoticon didn't work.... so here you go..... Although I agree with your views, I don't agree with you methods. You come into this thread like a bull in a china shop - yelling you're stupid. Just one time I'd like to see one of these cable threads stick to civility and rationality. I guess it's just not possible! Noted. I am not aware my jokes are that strong and offensive and apologize to everyone.
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Post by LCSeminole on Mar 5, 2013 20:09:37 GMT -5
Sure it's possible. Just ignore the rude ones. I'm in the minority, but there's no reason to be uncivil about it. i respect others' opinions even if I don't agree. I further understand the weight of evidence that argues against what I hear. We can all agree (civilly) to disagree. Those who have no manners can be (politely) ignored. Nicely stated.
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Post by jerrin on Mar 5, 2013 20:16:14 GMT -5
Hi CFElliot - Sure it's possible. Just ignore the rude ones. I'm in the minority, but there's no reason to be uncivil about it. i respect others' opinions even if I don't agree. I further understand the weight of evidence that argues against what I hear. We can all agree (civilly) to disagree. Those who have no manners can be (politely) ignored. Cheers - Boom You are not too far in the minority. I have perceived differences in interconnects in my system given familiar material. In my experience, the differences have been generally minor, so I need to listen to material that I am very familiar with to notice the differences more easily. For that reason, I tend not to spend too much on cables. Though I did ultimately spend more than I first did when setting up my system.
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Post by Boomzilla on Mar 5, 2013 20:19:09 GMT -5
By the bye...
I happened to be in a larger burg this afternoon and went by their "high-end" audio store. I enquired about tube power amps, which prompted the owner to ask about my current components. After I related what I had, there was a (long) moment of silence before the owner began telling me why each and every one of my components was no good.
The owner disdainfully told me that they had "tried Emotiva components" and were profoundly underwhelmed. The crew then said that for "about $20,000" they could fix me up with a system that would work for me. Their recommended system had no source components - only the preamp on. They also generously offered to take all my existing components as trade in (for pennies on the dollar).
I was strongly told that the Emotiva XSP-1 was the "weak link" in my system and that I should replace it with a $6,000 Audio Research tubed preamp immediately.
They then played me some demo music (which DID sound good, but for $20K it should).
The system they played (for those who care) was an Audio Research tube preamp feeding an Audio Research 100wpc tube power amp feeding Magnepan 1.7 speakers with a home-made subwoofer with some Audio Research cables and some expensive interconnects (Convergent, or something like that).
My system sounds as good for less than 1/4 the cost, IMHO.
Unfortunately, this is the rule rather than the exception when dealing with "high end" audio stores. It's also why there are so few of them left.
Pardon the off-topic rant, but I just wanted to say how threatened the few remaining audio stores seem to feel over Emotiva...
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Post by garbulky on Mar 5, 2013 20:21:54 GMT -5
Where was this maggie system? You can pm me. I ask because Im dying to try it out!
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Post by Boomzilla on Mar 5, 2013 20:23:48 GMT -5
...I am not aware my jokes are that strong and offensive and apologize to everyone... They don't bother me, but even if they did, you're forgiven. Don't be a stranger!
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Post by thepcguy on Mar 5, 2013 20:27:00 GMT -5
...I am not aware my jokes are that strong and offensive and apologize to everyone... They don't bother me, but even if they did, you're forgiven. Don't be a stranger! Thanks.
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Post by jdskycaster on Mar 5, 2013 20:47:39 GMT -5
By the bye... After I related what I had, there was a (long) moment of silence before the owner began telling me why each and every one of my components was no good. The owner disdainfully told me that they had "tried Emotiva components" and were profoundly underwhelmed. Amazes me that this sort of thing continues. I guess there must still be a few people left on the planet that are actually swayed by this type of sales tactic. You are to be commended for not introducing his face to your fist.
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Post by Boomzilla on Mar 5, 2013 21:00:33 GMT -5
...Amazes me that this sort of thing continues... Doesn't amaze me at all. It's sour grapes, plain & simple. Since the store can't sell Emotiva, and therefore can't make any money off them, it's in the store's self-interest (financially) to demean the competition. There are some consumers who can''t trust their own judgment enough to feel comfortable spending money. These consumers need the reinforcement of a sales person to assure them that they are making a prudent choice. Since the majority of audio consumers are neither technically astute nor educated about what to listen for, they are content to let the salesman "advise." And here is where the issue arises. In audio as well as money management, if the "advisor" is also a salesman, then there is a strong financial incentive to make recommendations not on what is best for the client, but what is best for the salesman. This conflict of interest is why one should NEVER take financial advice from a broker (or audio advice from a salesman). Pardon my SECOND off-topic rant of the evening... Becoming a trend, isn't it? Cheers - Boomzilla
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Post by AudioHTIT on Mar 5, 2013 21:37:58 GMT -5
Doesn't amaze me at all. It's sour grapes, plain & simple. Since the store can't sell Emotiva, and therefore can't make any money off them, it's in the store's self-interest (financially) to demean the competition. Still, even if they didn't like Emo (or any other part of your system) you came in inquiring about tube power amps. His job is to show you what your looking for and possibly make a sale. It's not in their financial interest to trade a single sale for a no sale.
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Post by Boomzilla on Mar 5, 2013 22:06:10 GMT -5
...His job is to show you what your looking for and possibly make a sale. It's not in their financial interest to trade a single sale for a no sale. You're right.
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Post by arthurz on Mar 5, 2013 22:50:33 GMT -5
On the subject of perceptions vs. reality, I dug up a very relevant quote by Feynman: From www.lhup.edu/~DSIMANEK/cargocul.htmThe questions posed are not about beliefs or your reality vs. my reality, but about objective reality. That's why it's not intellectually honest to say that "to me there's a real physical difference". As DYohn implied, if you hear a difference, it is at the output from your brain, not the input to it.
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Post by yves on Mar 6, 2013 5:55:19 GMT -5
As DYohn implied, if you hear a difference, it is at the output from your brain, not the input to it. Personally, I, think you're just trying to fool us.
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Post by Boomzilla on Mar 6, 2013 6:31:25 GMT -5
Well, I can't deny the possibility that I'm a fool, but I strive mightily to be an honest one.
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Post by briank on Mar 6, 2013 6:53:46 GMT -5
Is it the fool that believes what he sees/hears with his own eyes and ears? or is it the fool that disbelieves based on preconceptions or preemptive conclusions without proper testing? . . . or perhaps sometimes both?
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Post by Boomzilla on Mar 6, 2013 17:11:25 GMT -5
C'est la vie say the old folks - Sometimes you never can tell...
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Post by arthurz on Mar 6, 2013 18:28:45 GMT -5
or is it the fool that disbelieves based on preconceptions or preemptive conclusions without proper testing? There's a difference between "disbelieving based on preconceptions" and being skeptical of claims made without any attempt to rule out errors. Would you take, as a medication, a new substance that someone said made him feel better?
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Post by frenchyfranky on Mar 6, 2013 19:07:00 GMT -5
The absolute best thing you can do to improve the sound of any audio system, and I am not even messing around here, is to use high quality duct tape and seal all your doors and windows, then open a bottle of nitrous oxide to achieve an approximate 20-25% saturation in your room. Trust me, EVERYTHING will sound better then. An other efficient method is to smoke a big reefer....
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