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Post by jmilton on Jun 3, 2013 7:28:26 GMT -5
Perhaps it should be called the ERC-2S. (Works for Apple)  |
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Post by garbulky on Jun 3, 2013 8:12:09 GMT -5
But does it talk to ya?!?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2013 8:20:01 GMT -5
So what is the advantage of the erc-3 over an oppo? Other than matching chrome stripes?
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Post by wizardofoz on Jun 3, 2013 8:28:43 GMT -5
I wonder if it has random play? Sacd is a deal breaker for me, and all my recent oppo's play sacd...but i doubt i would be replacing the opo 105 with an emo unit anytime soon
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Post by KeithL on Jun 3, 2013 8:52:24 GMT -5
An OpAmp is just a bunch of transistors in a little box; there is nothing inherently better or worse about op amps than discretes..... Actually, that's not true: they both have advantages and disadvantages. In general, op amps tend to have better matching between internal components, and you can fit a lot of transistors into one little chip. Discretes give you more options about the individual parts, and tend to dissipate power better - at least sometimes - but it's harder to get them to match, harder to get them to thermally track, and they can be more prone to failure (comparing 50 separate transistors vs one op amp with 50 transistors inside it). If anything, the disadvantage of op amps is that they make it so easy to make a mediocre design that they encourage lazy designers to take shortcuts. Whaaaaat??!? Oh happy day! Does this mean it's based off xda-2 architecture or something else? Hopefully they don't have ...op-amps.. You're just not going to believe an XDA-2 sounds better than an XDA-1 are you? |
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Post by kse on Jun 3, 2013 9:25:03 GMT -5
I wonder if it has random play? Sacd is a deal breaker for me, and all my recent oppo's play sacd...but i doubt i would be replacing the opo 105 with an emo unit anytime soon This makes zero sense to me....? Why would anyone replace an Oppo 105 for an Emotiva CD player.....or any CD player for that matter? They are two entirely different products. The 105 is a device that among it many amazing talents, just also happens to play CDs. The ERC-1/2/3 is a CD player and nothing more. This is like saying I wouldn't replace a processor for a 2-ch preamp.... Why the Emo CD players continually get compared to Oppo units baffles me. |
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Post by danny01 on Jun 3, 2013 10:28:00 GMT -5
I wonder if it has random play? Sacd is a deal breaker for me, and all my recent oppo's play sacd...but i doubt i would be replacing the opo 105 with an emo unit anytime soon This makes zero sense to me....? Why would anyone replace an Oppo 105 for an Emotiva CD player.....or any CD player for that matter? They are two entirely different products. The 105 is a device that among it many amazing talents, just also happens to play CDs. The ERC-1/2/3 is a CD player and nothing more. This is like saying I wouldn't replace a processor for a 2-ch preamp.... Why the Emo CD players continually get compared to Oppo units baffles me. People compare the two because many audiophiles use the Oppo in pure 2ch setups. Even if one doesn't use any other features of the Oppo except Redbook, 105 it makes for a great CD payer for $1200 compared to many of the other Redbook CD players or transport/DAC combos out there. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards |
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Post by kse on Jun 3, 2013 10:33:35 GMT -5
This makes zero sense to me....? Why would anyone replace an Oppo 105 for an Emotiva CD player.....or any CD player for that matter? They are two entirely different products. The 105 is a device that among it many amazing talents, just also happens to play CDs. The ERC-1/2/3 is a CD player and nothing more. This is like saying I wouldn't replace a processor for a 2-ch preamp.... Why the Emo CD players continually get compared to Oppo units baffles me. People compare the two because many audiophiles use the Oppo in pure 2ch setups. Even if one doesn't use any other features of the Oppo except Redbook, 105 it makes for a great CD payer for $1200 compared to many of the other Redbook CD players or transport/DAC combos out there. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards I realize that the 105 (or other Oppo units) makes an outstanding CD player, however not once have I ever heard of anyone using a 105 for redbook CD-playback and nothing else. And replacing a 105 for an ERC.....umm, yeah.... |
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Post by Andrew Robinson on Jun 3, 2013 10:38:30 GMT -5
Glad to see the ERC-3 preview at THE Show was so openly received. Details are still not 100 percent ready for primetime as the ERC-3 that we showed at THE Show was the first of its kind. It does have a tray loading mechanism as well as slightly modified cosmetics (I happen to like the look better). The ERC-3 will not be ready for purchase or even pre-order in 2 weeks as previously reported. It is coming soon, but not 2 weeks soon. Also, while not a multi-channel unit, it will play back (most) all commonly found 2 channel disc formats -and even some not so common as we found out at the show. Details are still forthcoming, as is pricing, never the less, it's exciting news!
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Post by KeithL on Jun 3, 2013 11:21:27 GMT -5
To answer the question, the ERC-3 will probably NOT play SACDs (well, it will play the Red Book CD layer of hybrid discs, but not the DSD layer - like the ERC-2). I can also answer that other one..... The Oppos are almost certainly THE most popular high-end Blu-Ray players (93/95 and now the 103/105). I have one myself, as do many audiophiles and videophiles. It is sort of natural to ask: "I already have an Oppo, so what will the ERC add that I don't already have?" The answer is the one you already gave: they are different products.... The Oppo does lots of stuff that the ERC-3 won't do... But the ERC-3 will let you play a CD without having to turn on your TV so you can read the menus. It is a purist CD player instead of a comprehensive (and complicated) "plays everything; for everyone" device. I'm not a huge fan of SACDs, but many of them are also surround; so I would say that playing ONLY stereo SACDs would be limited anyway. That's why the Oppo makes a great SACD player. I wonder if it has random play? Sacd is a deal breaker for me, and all my recent oppo's play sacd...but i doubt i would be replacing the opo 105 with an emo unit anytime soon This makes zero sense to me....? Why would anyone replace an Oppo 105 for an Emotiva CD player.....or any CD player for that matter? They are two entirely different products. The 105 is a device that among it many amazing talents, just also happens to play CDs. The ERC-1/2/3 is a CD player and nothing more. This is like saying I wouldn't replace a processor for a 2-ch preamp.... Why the Emo CD players continually get compared to Oppo units baffles me. |
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Post by garbulky on Jun 3, 2013 13:27:32 GMT -5
An OpAmp is just a bunch of transistors in a little box; there is nothing inherently better or worse about op amps than discretes..... Actually, that's not true: they both have advantages and disadvantages. In general, op amps tend to have better matching between internal components, and you can fit a lot of transistors into one little chip. Discretes give you more options about the individual parts, and tend to dissipate power better - at least sometimes - but it's harder to get them to match, harder to get them to thermally track, and they can be more prone to failure (comparing 50 separate transistors vs one op amp with 50 transistors inside it). If anything, the disadvantage of op amps is that they make it so easy to make a mediocre design that they encourage lazy designers to take shortcuts. You're just not going to believe an XDA-2 sounds better than an XDA-1 are you? All I heard there was that it sounds like the ERC-3 has op-amps...  Thanks for the explanations Keith. You are a good addition to this forum. |
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Post by danny01 on Jun 3, 2013 23:08:52 GMT -5
People compare the two because many audiophiles use the Oppo in pure 2ch setups. Even if one doesn't use any other features of the Oppo except Redbook, 105 it makes for a great CD payer for $1200 compared to many of the other Redbook CD players or transport/DAC combos out there. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards I realize that the 105 (or other Oppo units) makes an outstanding CD player, however not once have I ever heard of anyone using a 105 for redbook CD-playback and nothing else. And replacing a 105 for an ERC.....umm, yeah.... Well, I don't know what to tell you. People do it. Never said anything about replacing an Oppo 95/105 with an ERC... I don't know why anyone would do that other than to pocket the extra cash. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 4, 2013 0:17:09 GMT -5
Well, I don't know what to tell you. People do it. Never said anything about replacing an Oppo 95/105 with an ERC... I don't know why anyone would do that other than to pocket the extra cash. So that everything matches.  |
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Post by stiehl11 on Jun 4, 2013 0:21:58 GMT -5
This is what Lonnie was talking about at Emofest last year. Hopefully it plays the CD layer of hybrid SACDs better than the ERC-2.
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Post by wizardofoz on Jun 4, 2013 8:25:15 GMT -5
I dont have to turn on any video gear to play a cd on the oppo...just put in the disk and it plays...balanced outto my stereo rig and rca or muti channel rca to my ht rig..simple, and i can control it from my ios device too from my other room...sweetness
Now dont get me wrong...i had an erc-1 so i know some of the pedegree but i cant justify 2 transports so the oppo wins
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Post by Andrew Robinson on Jun 4, 2013 8:51:16 GMT -5
but i cant justify 2 transports so the oppo wins Oppo is great, don't get me wrong, but I wouldn't automatically rule the ERC-3 out. I used to own the Levinson No 512 ($15,000) and the there are more than a few sonic similarities between it and the ERC-3. Lonnie did a good job with the ERC-3 -so much so even us "heard it all types" at THE Show took notice. |
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Post by paintedklown on Jun 4, 2013 9:37:17 GMT -5
Can anyone from Emotiva tell us what DAC chips are used in the ERC-3?
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Post by GreenKiwi on Jun 4, 2013 9:47:34 GMT -5
My guess would be the same one as the xda 1 & 2... but that is purely a guess.
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Post by paintedklown on Jun 4, 2013 9:53:56 GMT -5
My guess would be the same one as the xda 1 & 2... but that is purely a guess. I was guessing exactly the same thing TBH, but was curious anyway. BTW, I am jealous of your Maggies! |
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Post by mtglass on Jun 4, 2013 10:03:52 GMT -5
Hi,I'm new to the forum. I was ready to buy the ERC-2 and discovered it no longer available. I now can't wait for the ERC-3.
I'm looking forward to finding out the differences other than the tray.
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