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Post by The Mad Norseman on Dec 2, 2013 22:27:39 GMT -5
Hey Mike, I can vouch for the JBL/Emo combo as well! (Like the rug too!  ). |
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Post by redcoat23 on Dec 2, 2013 23:11:33 GMT -5
You know its funny they finally promote something THEY DON'T MAKE ANYMORE!!! I've given up on whatever drives their marketing department... On a personal note, fantastic speakers (I have 6 or so of them myself). Also driven by Emotiva, though my room is nowhere near as tidy as yours  |
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Post by Mike Ronesia on Dec 2, 2013 23:44:22 GMT -5
You know its funny they finally promote something THEY DON'T MAKE ANYMORE!!! I've given up on whatever drives their marketing department... On a personal note, fantastic speakers (I have 6 or so of them myself). Also driven by Emotiva, though my room is nowhere near as tidy as yours Worst marketing ever for there home speaker division. The only place I've been able to audition any of the upper end JBL's was in Japan where they are highly respected. Hey Mike, I can vouch for the JBL/Emo combo as well! (Like the rug too! ). Thanks, we thought the rug looked cool and with tile floors and concrete walls we needed something between the speakers and my ears besides my fat belly. It's good to know there are more of us out there. I love my JBL's, but at times feel like if I don't own some boutique speakers some people think my system is not that good. Bottom line is I like quality, but my budget is limited. For me the best bang for the buck in audio is Emotiva and (used) JBL's. The worst thing about my JBL's is they are not very attractive, but they make up for it on the sound quality for the money side. |
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Post by yves on Dec 3, 2013 18:56:20 GMT -5
It's good to know there are more of us out there. I love my JBL's, but at times feel like if I don't own some boutique speakers some people think my system is not that good. Bottom line is I like quality, but my budget is limited. For me the best bang for the buck in audio is Emotiva and (used) JBL's. The worst thing about my JBL's is they are not very attractive, but they make up for it on the sound quality for the money side. I have always known that JBL makes good speakers, and I wouldn't worry too much about the looks. The best bang for the buck in audio is not only the things you said, but also decent DIY room treatments combined with proper speaker placement and placement of the listening position, and several high quality music recordings IMO. |
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Post by Mike Ronesia on Dec 4, 2013 1:08:44 GMT -5
It's good to know there are more of us out there. I love my JBL's, but at times feel like if I don't own some boutique speakers some people think my system is not that good. Bottom line is I like quality, but my budget is limited. For me the best bang for the buck in audio is Emotiva and (used) JBL's. The worst thing about my JBL's is they are not very attractive, but they make up for it on the sound quality for the money side. I have always known that JBL makes good speakers, and I wouldn't worry too much about the looks. The best bang for the buck in audio is not only the things you said, but also decent DIY room treatments combined with proper speaker placement and placement of the listening position, and several high quality music recordings IMO. This is so true. Our room is full of windows and most of the time they are open. When I close them and use the AC the sound is way off. I ran my UMC-1 setup twice so I can switch EQ settings depending on how the windows are. My room sucks, but this in itself makes a big difference. Can't wait for the XMC-1 to make this even better. There is only so much the wife will allow in our room. Now the question is, do I EQ it for the space between my wife and I or to my seat... |
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Post by yves on Dec 4, 2013 13:59:13 GMT -5
I have always known that JBL makes good speakers, and I wouldn't worry too much about the looks. The best bang for the buck in audio is not only the things you said, but also decent DIY room treatments combined with proper speaker placement and placement of the listening position, and several high quality music recordings IMO. This is so true. Our room is full of windows and most of the time they are open. When I close them and use the AC the sound is way off. I ran my UMC-1 setup twice so I can switch EQ settings depending on how the windows are. My room sucks, but this in itself makes a big difference. Can't wait for the XMC-1 to make this even better. There is only so much the wife will allow in our room. Now the question is, do I EQ it for the space between my wife and I or to my seat... What you need IMO are portable room treatments so that you will be able to simply move them out of the room each time before your wife will start to complain. gikacoustics.com/temporary-treated-living-roomDecent room treatments do not come cheap if you have to buy them as finished products, but you can very easily build a whole bunch of them yourself for just a few hundred bucks if you know how. |
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Post by Mike Ronesia on Dec 4, 2013 16:28:17 GMT -5
They do make it look simple. Maybe I can make panels that double as the guest bed so I have a place to store them.
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Post by yves on Dec 5, 2013 3:28:29 GMT -5
They do make it look simple. Maybe I can make panels that double as the guest bed so I have a place to store them. A mattress doesn't absorb the low frequency sound waves, unfortunately. The same with drapes, egg cartons, sculpted foam, etc. – it's the sound absorption coefficients of the porous absorbent material that need to be a little bit closely examined before the material can be said to be effective to build an acoustic panel absorber with. In his famous book titled "Sound Reproduction: Acoustics and Psychoacoustics of Loudspeakers and Rooms", Dr. Floyd E. Toole has explained this. The frequency spectrum of the primary reflections (i.e., the parts of the sound that travel from the speaker in such way that they are reflected on a hard smooth surface exactly one time before they reach the listener) should resemble the frequency spectrum of the direct sound (i.e., the part of the sound that travels from the speaker to the listener in a straight line without being reflected until after it reaches the listener). Alternately, the primary reflection points can be treated with a type of material that will almost completely absorb the full spectrum of the sound. So, basically, it is recommended to treat all of the primary reflection points with panel absorbers. However, these panels should be built such that they not only absorb the mid and high frequency sound waves, but also adequately absorb the low frequencies. Here is a nice list of absorption coefficients for various absorbent materials of varying thickness. [Leaving an air gap behind a panel absorber can also help to improve its performance]. www.bobgolds.com/AbsorptionCoefficients.htmAs you can see, the low frequencies can be absorbed better by choosing more suitable types of material and by making thicker panels. It's real easy to build a wooden frame around a thick sheet of rigid fiberglass or semi-rigid mineral wool and then tidily wrap it inside a piece of breathable thin cotton cloth (e.g. cheap Muslin fabric) to avoid spreading loose fibers all over the room. All it takes is to make sure that the material can't fall out of the frame, use staples around the back of the frame to keep the cloth tidily in place, and then put the finished panel on stands or just stack it on top of a bass trap. [Below are three parts of the same video that will show you how to build a cheap bass trap]. www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGAilGRRW-Ewww.youtube.com/watch?v=08Qgi9cKc5swww.youtube.com/watch?v=JfmPCu_FMWMPlease note, don't glue a paper membrane to the type of panels that will be used to treat the primary reflection points with; it is only recommended for bass traps. Should you decide to wrap the bass traps in cloth to improve the way they look, always make sure that the cloth isn't touching the paper membrane behind it. You can easily achieve this by building a square shaped frame around each one of these bass traps and then wrapping the frame in the same cloth that you can also use to build the other panels with. By building a separate frame for each tile, they become easy to move in and out of the room. That way, it's also easy to, where the primary replection points on the walls are, stack a panel absorber on top of a bass trap. Similarly, in the four corners of the room, to maximize the bass trapping performance you can stack two identical bass traps on top of eachother instead. The bass traps on the floor should ideally be lined up against the walls around the entire floor space, below ear height, whereas the bass traps stacked on top of eachother should go in all four corners between the walls, so they fill up each corner from floor to celing. [Optionally, you can add even more bass traps, e.g. by putting them on high stands in such way that they will fill up all four corners between the walls and ceiling where possible, but I suppose that can be a little bit tricky]. |
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Post by Mike Ronesia on Dec 8, 2013 17:09:04 GMT -5
JBL sure likes my pictures. They posted another one on FB. This one has the Emotiva gear in the cabinet I built and the speakers are naked. That's K.D. Lang, Live in London playing. Maybe Emotiva will give me free shipping on my next order for sharing all the EMO love.  |
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Post by vinylfreak on Dec 11, 2013 18:42:49 GMT -5
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Post by vinylfreak on Dec 17, 2013 16:26:35 GMT -5
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Post by Mike Ronesia on Dec 18, 2013 16:52:33 GMT -5
I still have a few Studio L's in the closet. I really like them, but after I got the Performance series....
Hope to find a place for them some day soon. Maybe when we upgrade the TV and stick the 52" in the bedroom. I did recently come across 2 HTPS400's and I hope to use them to replace my L8400's in the living room to help the PS1400's.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2013 21:34:38 GMT -5
I love JBL's sub drivers, if you can get them for a good price, they are really excellent. The 2242 is one of the best mid/bass drivers made. I've not heard much JBL stuff other than subs and on the pro side, though I'd sure love to hear some of their uber high end stuff.
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Post by vinylfreak on Dec 20, 2013 9:31:55 GMT -5
Wow!
Dont know if anyone is in the market but Amazon is running some Great prices on the L series speakers. 50% off!!JBL L Series
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Post by Mike Ronesia on Dec 20, 2013 16:16:51 GMT -5
Wow!
Dont know if anyone is in the market but Amazon is running some Great prices on the L series speakers. 50% off!!JBL L Series Closing out this now old line is my guess. You need to feed these puppies well. My L820's didn't come to life until I connected the XPA-5 to my old Denon. They were even better with the UMC-1/XPA-5 combo. I'm sure the towers will take all the power you can throw at them and reward you with some great sound. |
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Post by vinylfreak on Mar 19, 2014 17:32:19 GMT -5
Man!
This equipment continues to make me Drooooooooool!!!
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Post by solidstate on Mar 19, 2014 18:11:40 GMT -5
A lot can be said for a speaker with high sensitivity and dynamics. When most consumers hear a speaker with sensitivity above 95dB in a well designed waveguide/horn and are willing to deal with ugly speakers they NEVER LOOK BACK! Have you guys seen the SEOS waveguides available? CHECK THIS DIY GEAR OUT! www.diysoundgroup.com/Of particular interest is Jeff Bagby's Tempest and Zephyr using Pro12A and Definimax 4012HO.   A 15" SEOS with two 8" drivers is also being worked on that would make a great center channel. www.avsforum.com/t/1291022/hey-guys-we-need-a-little-rallying-here/9390 Currently I'm humming and hawing between some CSS and DIYSG kits. I think I'm going to go SEOS for my theater and also build a Criton MTM MLTL for my 2 channel rig. I also have dreams of an IB into my basement... |
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Post by solidstate on Mar 19, 2014 18:23:34 GMT -5
If you are talking Paradigm 590s, I have 4 of them. Great speakers. Detailed sound. Articulate and refined.If you need more let me know. Nick Never mind Nop - am taling about the JBL Studio 590... thanks for the reply tho... I checked out the Studio 580's (middle sized bear) at our local dealer today.... They sounded freakin amazing, all genres, all SPLs, all frequencies... I'm seriously thinking about picking up a pair. And FYI, blew the stigma of compressi9on drivers being 'harsh' right out the window... they were so silky sweet I just about got outta the couch and started licking them!!!  DIY Sound Group FLAT PACKSPS under $500 bucks a speaker for the same/similar performance bro! |
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Post by solidstate on Mar 19, 2014 18:32:36 GMT -5
If you are talking Paradigm 590s, I have 4 of them. Great speakers. Detailed sound. Articulate and refined.If you need more let me know. Nick Never mind Nop - am taling about the JBL Studio 590... thanks for the reply tho... I checked out the Studio 580's (middle sized bear) at our local dealer today.... They sounded freakin amazing, all genres, all SPLs, all frequencies... I'm seriously thinking about picking up a pair. And FYI, blew the stigma of compressi9on drivers being 'harsh' right out the window... they were so silky sweet I just about got outta the couch and started licking them!!! You should visit your local pro audio guys and give some Danley Synergy Horns a listen. Those speakers through Crown active DSP xover amps are the best sounding speakers I've ever heard. www.danleysoundlabs.com/products/loud-speakers/synergy-horn/sh60/A dynamic point source in perfect phase and time alignment has got to be heard to be believed!  |
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Post by Mike Ronesia on Mar 23, 2014 22:30:30 GMT -5
My latest addition to my JBL's is two HTPS400's. They are solid and so far sound much better then what they replaced. I'm now where I have been trying to get to for the last 4 years. Now I can go back to saving for retirement.   |
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