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Post by Boomzilla on Dec 10, 2013 9:15:28 GMT -5
What I'd like to buy from Emotiva is a three-way tower speaker. Following or similar specs please:
1. Bass to 25 Hz. with -3dB anechoic measurement & a large enough driver to make it authoritative (passive radiator(s) OK too)
2. Midrange with either fast cone or pleated radiators (think Stealth tweeters, but larger)
3. Pleated tweeters like the Stealth
4. Passive not active so I can use my existing Emotiva amp
5. Some colors OTHER THAN BLACK
6. Sensitivity doesn't matter to me - I don't listen loudly
7. WAF friendly design
8. Available & shipping ASAP
9. EXCEPTIONALLY braced and inert cabinet
Yes, this is a CROWDED field, but Emotiva will have a price advantage with their established reputation & internet-direct sales model.
Eagerly awaiting these!
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Post by pop on Dec 10, 2013 9:36:56 GMT -5
I agree. I am wanting to upgrade out of my ERM-6.3s, just slightly boring to me. I have been putting a lot of thought into the Pendragons. I feel once I pull the trigger on them EMO will release something I will wish I had tried first.
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Post by kevynwight on Dec 10, 2013 15:37:50 GMT -5
Ha, this is a popular topic. My 2 cents / wish list comments:
1. sealed if possible
2. AMT midrange, absolutely if possible
3. yes
4. and 6. would much rather have actives (or both available, like Adam Audio's home series)
5. and 7. nice appearance is nice, but ugly can be beautiful too
8. well yah
9. yes
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Post by paintedklown on Dec 10, 2013 15:47:15 GMT -5
My wish list for a full range tower is essentially the same as Booms. For me, the size doesn't matter (make them HUGE if that is what is needed for deep bass), and color doesn't matter. Black is fine, but a nice dark wood color would be preferable. Sadly, I think that Emo have pretty much decided to step out of the passive speaker market to focus on smaller powered designs. As great as these active speakers may be, I will not be a customer for them. I want full range passive speakers that have inert boxes, accurate/detailed mid-range drivers, ribbon tweeters (think Stealth tweeters), and the ability to play DEEP with authority. And make them affordable for my meager budget. Is that too much to ask?  |
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Post by pop on Dec 10, 2013 15:49:59 GMT -5
I want full range passive speakers that have inert boxes, accurate/detailed mid-range drivers, ribbon tweeters (think Stealth tweeters), and the ability to play DEEP with authority. And make them affordable for my meager budget. Is that too much to ask? Ahhhh. Unicorn speakers.  |
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Post by Andrew Robinson on Dec 10, 2013 15:52:00 GMT -5
Sadly, I think that Emo have pretty much decided to step out of the passive speaker market to focus on smaller powered designs. True, we like powered speakers but to say we're stepping away from other markets completely may be stretching things a bit. I know at Emofest Dan and Lonnie said they like the potential of powered speakers and that Emotiva was good at making them (powered speakers) but I don't believe they shut the door completely with regards to the possibility of other speakers. We still have a lot of passive speakers in our current arsenal, including killer in-wall and in-ceiling models that are often overlooked. |
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Post by Andrew Robinson on Dec 10, 2013 15:53:11 GMT -5
I want full range passive speakers that have inert boxes, accurate/detailed mid-range drivers, ribbon tweeters (think Stealth tweeters), and the ability to play DEEP with authority. And make them affordable for my meager budget. Is that too much to ask? Ahhhh. Unicorn speakers. Difficult? Sure. Impossible or of unicorn status? No. |
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Post by paintedklown on Dec 10, 2013 16:11:32 GMT -5
Ahhhh. Unicorn speakers. LOL! Yes, perhaps they are... Sadly, I think that Emo have pretty much decided to step out of the passive speaker market to focus on smaller powered designs. True, we like powered speakers but to say we're stepping away from other markets completely may be stretching things a bit. I know at Emofest Dan and Lonnie said they like the potential of powered speakers and that Emotiva was good at making them (powered speakers) but I don't believe they shut the door completely with regards to the possibility of other speakers. We still have a lot of passive speakers in are current arsenal, including killer in-wall and in-ceiling models that are often overlooked. Good point, and I certainly hope that Big Dan sees enough market demand to make him want to jump into passive speakers in a big way. Ahhhh. Unicorn speakers. Difficult? Sure. Impossible or of unicorn status? No. HAHAHHAA! If such a speaker were to be built, I can imagine the line to get a pair would be quite long. Sure, there are a lot of great speakers out there. And a lot of them contain many of the qualities I desire. However, there always seems to be some design choices that ultimately throw me off. I am talking about half sealed/half open baffle designs, the built in sub is powered (and that defeats the point of a carefully tuned full range tower IMO), or the tweeters are some non-conventional omni-polar design that requires careful placement, etc, etc...I am sure you have all seen these types of designs. I am NOT knocking any of these design choices for those that like them. I am only saying that they are not for me. The speakers I see that have my desired qualites and do not have what I find to be off putting design choices, fall into price brackets that would literally require me winning the lottory to ever be able to afford. Therefore, they aren't even on my radar. I am talking about full range towers with ultra deep bass extension here guys. Not the average towers with a -3db @ 44hz. (I used that as an exaple as 44hz is the -3db point for my B&Ws) All of this leads me to hope Big Dan will see this thread and get the design team to work on my (surprisingly affordable) dream speakers! PLEASE!!!!
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Post by pop on Dec 10, 2013 16:34:19 GMT -5
Ahhhh. Unicorn speakers. Difficult? Sure. Impossible or of unicorn status? No. Awesome! Sounds like an acceptable challenge for Emotiva. |
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Post by knucklehead on Dec 10, 2013 16:45:22 GMT -5
The approach Emotiva is taking toward speakers is interesting - and puzzling. After coming out with the ERM/ERT/ERD 'Reference' lineup and the great reviews that followed I thought they'd continue the line well into the future. So...why did they discontinue them? As for the ERT's I can see why they stopped building them. The cost of shipping such a large speaker isn't cheap - and IIRC Big Dan mentioned the cost of 'shipping large volumes of air' - or something to that effect - wasn't cheap.
Most companies design a speaker to sell for as many years as they can get away with. You don't have to go far to find an example of that - look at the Polk Monitor series - each new version the same as the last with some trim or slight shape the only real difference. With Emotiva it seems they delight in designing and marketing a speaker then decide (for whatever reason) to discontinue it without having a replacement. And all within a few years start to finish.
The ERM-1s are jewels IMO. I have a pair in the bedroom setup that I won't part with unless its to upgrade to something better. I've listened to bookshelf speakers costing 5x what the ERM-1 cost me and haven't heard anything that would cause me to switch. Note: I use a sub with them. They are that good IMO. I think those who own them would agree. Same for the ERT's.
Why were they discontinued?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2013 17:05:06 GMT -5
My Erm 6.2s are fantastic and they didnt break the bank. I do get the idea of doing powered speakers because the market is not as saturated as the passive one so it is easier to make more profit.
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Post by Erwin.BE on Dec 10, 2013 17:36:03 GMT -5
in-wall and in-ceiling models that are often overlooked. Thanks, but no thanks. Maybe for a bathroom... I have two pairs of B&W in-walls and the bass is thin without a sub. The airmotiv 5 are twice as good and cost less. Cost even less if you take the cost of the amp into it. The B&W's are now just passively filling up their cavities. |
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Post by Boomzilla on Dec 10, 2013 17:40:49 GMT -5
Yep - I forgot to mention - NO BACK RADIATORS!
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Post by garbulky on Dec 10, 2013 18:15:15 GMT -5
B'zilla: I think new Emo speakers exactly as you mentioned woukld be perfect. Large drivers, deep extension. Price $2-5k as long as it's a good value at those prices. With their ribbons, I would like them to figure out how to give it a "big" sound / dispersion.
I also ask for high quality drivers. And the only thing I would change is I would like them to have decent efficiency. 90db's or upper 80's at least as I do want to go class A but I'm not sure I could ever afford two XPA-1's. But that's not a deal breaker.
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Post by Boomzilla on Dec 10, 2013 18:49:20 GMT -5
Emotiva obviously HAS the design expertise to make world-class passive speakers. They currently make some of the best (if not the very best) self-powered. They've just never applied their efforts to a state of the art passive speaker. I'd even buy one from them if they offered the drivers & crossovers as a kit & sold me the plans to build my own cabinets. That would eliminate Lonny's objection to "shipping air."
ALL of Emotiva's power amps (with the possible exception of the A-100 Mini-X) have more than enough power to drive even low efficiency speakers well. For those of us who have already invested (and heavily, in come cases) in Emotiva power amps, it seems a shame that Emotiva offers only self-powered speakers.
Can I get by with someone else's speakers? Sure - we all do it now. But if Emotiva were to offer speakers with the price/performance ratio of their other products, then Wow!
If Emotiva wanted to, they could offer passive speakers with built-in, self-powered subwoofers ala Definitive Technology. DefTechs Mythos ST-L speakers are awesome, but at their $5K per pair price, I bet Emotiva could produce a similar speaker with even better sound (using the Stealth tweeters) for half that price.
Sung to the tune of "Help me Rhonda:" Help me Lonnie - Help, Help me Lonnie - Help me Lonnie, Dude - Speakers light up my heart!
(Yeah, it's so corny it's actually funny! - or not...)
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Post by knucklehead on Dec 10, 2013 18:58:54 GMT -5
They've just never applied their efforts to a state of the art passive speaker. Sure they have. You apparently haven't heard the ERTs. Even the ERM 6.2/6/3 are very good - as is the ERM-1 which baffles me as to why they would have stopped making such a sweet bookshelf speaker. IMO they are as good and maybe better than my friend's F32 Revels. Since we haven't swapped out speakers with each other the jury is out on which is best but both sound very similar to each other. He would have gotten ERTs if they had been available at that time but he wanted new and the ERTs are only available used - and as you can see - not often. For good reason IMO. Not everyone is going to like them as much as I do. Thats fine with me. It also depends on what 'state of the art' is. |
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Post by mpower on Dec 10, 2013 19:03:08 GMT -5
I'd love to see a flagship full range line array featuring the folded ribbons with some matching center channel. WAF or not! Sub $7000 for the LCR.
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Post by pop on Dec 10, 2013 19:05:18 GMT -5
If Emotiva wanted to, they could offer passive speakers with built-in, self-powered subwoofers ala Definitive Technology. DefTechs Mythos ST-L speakers are awesome, but at their $5K per pair price, I bet Emotiva could produce a similar speaker with even better sound (using the Stealth tweeters) for half that price. I would buy these in a heartbeat. I am intrigued by the Mythose ST-L but could improve my system in so many areas with the money they want for them. |
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Post by Boomzilla on Dec 10, 2013 19:08:59 GMT -5
I never knew about the Emotiva ERTs. if they'd update them to Stealth tweeters...
Yes, I'm also tempted by the DefTech ST-L, but they aren't out yet, when they are, nobody close will carry them, and I'm not dropping 5K without hearing them.
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Post by 1960broookwood on Dec 10, 2013 20:07:11 GMT -5
Sandy Gross--one of the original founders of Polk and DefTech-- has several products under the GoldenEar brand that seem to meet quite a few wish lists. 91db efficient--folded ribbon tweeter--and bass to 16hz for the big dog.  |
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