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Post by redog on May 17, 2014 15:23:01 GMT -5
Seems to me that goldenear may have a slightly better ribbon if that is the case. My 2's never sound harsh, but somehow manage to suck every last nuance of detail out of the music.
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Post by monkumonku on May 17, 2014 15:41:38 GMT -5
To me the ribbons in the Stealths are very good. I've used the word "articulate" before and I think that is still the best way to describe them. They are really detailed but never get harsh or strident. I think some people may mistake that smooth character for a lack of detail or excitement, but what you're really hearing on many other speakers is distortion or harshness that is mistaken for a more exciting character. That's like when you have a system that has very low distortion you find yourself turning up the volume - at first it seems like you have to turn it up because it isn't loud enough, but in reality it is because you're not hearing any harsh or distorted character at higher volumes.
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Post by garbulky on May 17, 2014 15:49:11 GMT -5
I only got a chance to hear the airmotiv 4's ribbon. As one would expect they were powered by the least powerful amp in the smallest space/cabinet of the line up. The ribbons had a lot of detail. Also they presented an "open window" - of sorts to the sound. Almost like you can just see into it. They had a slight coloration to the sound which is what I think b'zilla means by homogenizing. For me it is like a tube lushness IMO - a "brlliance" addition where the treble has a glossiness to it. Honestly it made things sound good. But it is a coloration and so can be subject to preference according to the person listening. Luckily it didn't sacrifice the details that I liked and also didn't lack for "airiness" in the treble. IMO the airmotiv 4's are one heck of a deal and if I had them before I decided to buy my more expensive setup, I would have wondered why I would want to spend all that money. Not that the axioms aren't better. Just that the airmotivs bring a lot to the table. In terms of price to performance the airmotivs 4's are one of the best can't go wrong deals out there - if you keep in mind its physical limitations. They are similar in sound to Rockit and Adam audio speakers. The main thing to keep an eye out is ..... they are 4 inch drivers (which got SURPRISINGLY LOUD). Don't use them in anything bigger than a small-ish living room and don't expect rock bottom bass or bring down the walls volume. If the space is matched up, expect a realistic volume level with detailed sound and surprising bass capability.  |
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Post by milsap195 on May 17, 2014 15:49:44 GMT -5
Would anybody care to comment on the qualities of Emotiva's ribbon tweeters? OK, Pop, since you asked... I don't like them. They sound sweet & extended, but they have a homogenizing effect on the highs. This can be a blessing with bad recordings, but it takes the transients off the best recordings and rounds everything in their range off to "pretty good." Now "pretty good" can be a really good thing from time to time, but it isn't accurate. I'd rather have the unvarnished truth. I'm sure that loads of folks will (violently) disagree, but since you asked, the above is what I heard. Boomzilla The only time I have heard a golden ear ribbon was the Aon 3 and I was not impressed, it was hooked to some Rotel separates. Maybe with some better gear I would have liked them. |
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Post by drtrey3 on May 18, 2014 8:13:01 GMT -5
Hey pop, sorry for dragging down the buzz. Thank you for your feedback. I apologize.
Trey
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Post by klinemj on May 18, 2014 9:24:19 GMT -5
Boom, which Emotiva ribbons did you listen to?
Mark
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Post by boscobear on May 18, 2014 10:27:07 GMT -5
I love the B&W 800 Series speakers. I'm sure Emotiva has looked at their development. Lonnie has a beautiful pair in the back of his video. His B&W's are in hi-gloss Black, like a Steinway piano. I already have the XPR-5. No need for powered speakers. Good subs, and side speakers from Emotiva, I'll send the cash as soon as they are in the boxes.
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Post by pop on May 18, 2014 10:50:22 GMT -5
I do recall hearing about the B&W 800 series being listened to in the office, as well as the Pendragons. Makes for exciting speaker building on Emotiva's part.
Thanks for the feedback on the Ribbon Tweeters. I have never auditioned any in my home.
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Post by deewan on May 22, 2014 14:05:03 GMT -5
Regarding ribbon tweeters, it has a lot to do with the quality of the material used and the crossover. Building a lot of DIY speakers I have heard cheap speakers sound good with the proper cabinet and crossover, and I have heard expensive drivers sound BAD. It's not only crossver points you have to consider, but normally ribbons are more efficient that normal drivers so padding has to happen to help tame the louder sounds from the tweeter than the midrange or woofer.
I recently auditioned a pair of Golden Ear Triton Two's in my theater, because I can't get my hands on the Triton One's yet. Took a solid two days for the tweeters to break in, but once they did, I liked their sound. Although I agree that they do drop off the higher freq and with the powered woofers in the towers, they kind of just wow you into liking them. Don't take that as a bad review of the Golden Ears. I think for the money, they are worth every penny and then some when compared to other commercial speakers. But they do lack some finer details. The fact the cabinet is essentially a black fabric sleeve over a box helps reduce finishing costs and keeps the Golden Ears prices VERY competitive for their sound quality and powered woofer section. I think Sandy Gross took the black sleeve lesson from Def Tech and put it to good use. Put money into the sound, not the cabinet.
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Post by solidstate on May 23, 2014 1:09:01 GMT -5
Sandy Gross--one of the original founders of Polk and DefTech-- has several products under the GoldenEar brand that seem to meet quite a few wish lists. 91db efficient--folded ribbon tweeter--and bass to 16hz for the big dog.  I own the triton 2's. They are amazing speakers, but 16hz must be @ -12db because while authoritive @25hz it's almost nothing at 16hz What is the off axis performance like on those speakers? |
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Post by solidstate on May 23, 2014 1:13:43 GMT -5
OK, Pop, since you asked... I don't like them. They sound sweet & extended, but they have a homogenizing effect on the highs. This can be a blessing with bad recordings, but it takes the transients off the best recordings and rounds everything in their range off to "pretty good." Now "pretty good" can be a really good thing from time to time, but it isn't accurate. I'd rather have the unvarnished truth. I'm sure that loads of folks will (violently) disagree, but since you asked, the above is what I heard. Boomzilla The only time I have heard a golden ear ribbon was the Aon 3 and I was not impressed, it was hooked to some Rotel separates. Maybe with some better gear I would have liked them. Really? Those Adam folded X-ART AMT tweeters are well regarded in pro audio as in engineers and post production people. Actually it's the golden standard right now and many many professional studios use those tweeters in their monitors. I've never heard them before but if they are in the same league as Raal then I'm sure they are very impressive. I'm just waiting for someone to design a DIY speaker using those tweeters as PE is now offering them under the Dayton stencil! |
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Post by milsap195 on May 23, 2014 6:37:31 GMT -5
For those here that may not like the Golden Ear tweeter Def Tech's new Mythos ST-L could be a really nice speaker. It is about the same price with the built in subs and a magnesium tweeter. Attachment Deleted |
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Post by deewan on May 23, 2014 13:48:55 GMT -5
Really? Those Adam folded X-ART AMT tweeters are well regarded in pro audio as in engineers and post production people. Actually it's the golden standard right now and many many professional studios use those tweeters in their monitors. I've never heard them before but if they are in the same league as Raal then I'm sure they are very impressive. I'm just waiting for someone to design a DIY speaker using those tweeters as PE is now offering them under the Dayton stencil! Just to be clear, Raal ribbon tweeters and AMT are not the same. Raal tweeters are very good and very high priced. A ribbon vibrates to excite the air and consists of a thin, small, and flat piece of material on a certain (short) length. AMT squeezes the air to create sound and is a long piece of material folded over and over again. Speaking of the Dayton drivers, I recently started thinking of a design using the Dayton AMT tweeter, Dayton AMT upper midrange, a 5.25 lower midrange cone driver, and two 8 inch woofers. High output, higher efficiency than most DIY speakers, and currently in a holding pattern waiting to see if Emo releases a speaker that will save me hours of time building and designing a speaker. |
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Post by dolphan2k on Jun 16, 2014 9:24:32 GMT -5
Bump to keep the subject alive! Maybe now with the launch of the redesigned emotiva site, its a sign that the new speaker line will be released soon. The last podcast in april said some more information should be coming soon....
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Post by pop on Jun 16, 2014 9:38:09 GMT -5
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Post by paintedklown on Jun 16, 2014 10:23:21 GMT -5
To me the ribbons in the Stealths are very good. I've used the word "articulate" before and I think that is still the best way to describe them. They are really detailed but never get harsh or strident. In my "mind", this is exactly what I imagine ribbon tweeters sound like. Can you guys who own Emo's active speakers tell from Dan's teaser pic if these have the same tweeters in them? |
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Post by deewan on Jun 16, 2014 10:48:52 GMT -5
Can you guys who own Emo's active speakers tell from Dan's teaser pic if these have the same tweeters in them? Same type of tweeters (air motion), most likely the same. The same tweeters from a performance standpoint, there is no way of telling that from a picture, especially a teaser picture. There can be HUGE performance and sonic differences from drivers that look the same even when being held in your hand. But I wager if Emo gets back into the passive speaker market, they will have one heck of a product and like their other products, have high value at very reasonable prices. |
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Post by kevynwight on Jul 21, 2014 6:14:54 GMT -5
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Post by thoff on Aug 22, 2014 19:17:35 GMT -5
Hoping for more information on the speakers Dan showed a teaser pic of back in December.
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Post by novisnick on Sept 19, 2014 9:04:40 GMT -5
 Ask me no questions...then I can tell no lies. A taste of things to come.
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