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Post by millst on May 28, 2015 2:49:02 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 5:52:41 GMT -5
A single exception does not invalidate my point. I was speaking about the majority of people. I place things like room correction and Atmos in the feature category. Yes, they impact how the unit sounds, but they are not the same as sound quality. Comparing Atmos against room correction is another apples and oranges comparison. Again, the original post was about the measurements without room correction so that is all irrelevant. I doubt many people would be able to distinguish the units in a double-blind test. They are both excellent. -tm not true...I am an exact example I had two choices 5.2.4 ATMOS which I already had setup with audyssey XT32 + subHT ( and some 2 channel...which is less than stellar with the denon) or 7.2 XMC-1 with dirac (great with 2 channel as well) to ME....the sound quality of the XMC-1 with dirac outweighed the advantage of ATMOS ...if i could have both (maybe the XMR-1?) I would go that route...but for now...sound quality (which was significant and is backed up by graphs and ETC graphs) is more important than 9 titles released on ATMOS...(and I was the biggest ATMOS promoter in these boards...so take that into account) Agreed. But one is double in price of the other. How many are willing to pay the price of two units to get the same sound quality? |
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Post by XTC on May 28, 2015 10:15:25 GMT -5
I don't understand trying to compare the AV8802 to the XMC-1. They are at different price points (I believe $1,500 MSRP is a difference worth noting) and they each have different designs/features. Anyone looking for every feature available in the AV8802 won't be looking at the XMC-1. Anyone that isn't looking for the features available in the AV8802 that the XMC-1 does not offer shouldn't be looking at the AV8802, IMO. Why spend $1,500 for features you don't care about?
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 10:30:40 GMT -5
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Post by millst on May 28, 2015 10:47:42 GMT -5
Agreed. But one is double in price of the other. How many are willing to pay the price of two units to get the same sound quality? If one wants one of the many features that the AV8802 has that the XMC-1 doesn't, then it's probably a bargain or at least there isn't much much competition. Being the Emotiva forum, I'm guessing most of us chose the other way for its unique advantages. -tm |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 10:50:36 GMT -5
if you feel ATMOS is worth 1500$ then all the power to you  (not YOU perse...but you in general) I have had it in my HT...LOVED it..but NO WAY its worth 1500$ (plus additional cost of speakers and amplifiers) |
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Post by millst on May 28, 2015 11:06:50 GMT -5
Or buy the AV7702 and save a bunch of money. You'll lose the 4k (HDCP 2.2) support. Choices, choices...
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 11:10:02 GMT -5
Or buy the AV7702 and save a bunch of money. You'll lose the 4k (HDCP 2.2) support. Choices, choices... -tm BUT...im not so sure the 7702 (no where near the 8802 from what I read) will have the audio quality of the XMC-1..i saved a ton of money with the denon x4100...but the xmc-1 trumps it in sound quality hands down... |
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Post by cwt on May 28, 2015 13:27:09 GMT -5
Or buy the AV7702 and save a bunch of money. You'll lose the 4k (HDCP 2.2) support. Choices, choices... -tm Not just hdcp2.2 for passthrough . Liken it to buying an early avr with a dd decoder but without the dts one thats in next years model [ or in this instance dts-x  ] The early adopter gets burned ; sadly par for the course  |
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Post by stephen on May 28, 2015 18:48:11 GMT -5
This was very informative, thank you for sharing. |
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Post by rtg97229 on Sept 14, 2015 0:27:54 GMT -5
The MSRP difference excuse for not comparing the XMC-1 and the AV8802 is silly. Emotiva does not negotiate on price and Marantz dealers have $1600 in margin to be chipped into by negotiating.
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Post by rtg97229 on Sept 14, 2015 0:38:10 GMT -5
Not nearly as critical as it may appear to some people. The gain on Emotiva amps is more than enough for the voltage of the outputs on the 8801 and the analog inputs (if anyone really uses them any more) are typical for consumer audio. As it turns out we don't need nor would it be useful to have pro audio (or pro video) in our living rooms. |
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Post by qdtjni on Sept 14, 2015 15:19:24 GMT -5
If we need it or not depends on what level of SNR you are willing to accept.
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Post by frankie2075 on Sept 15, 2015 8:55:23 GMT -5
Glad I found this thread cause I was about to make one! I am looking at the marantz 8802 or xmc-1. I'm coming from a 4311ci and I have xpa2 and xpa3. Can some one explain to me the noise floor and which is better and how it helps me. I will be using all xlr to hook everything up. And the gain or voltage. Always confused. Dacs! I'm not really caring all the much about the atmos cause I can't implement it in my room yet. So my main thing is SQ! I do mostly movies but I do enjoy 2 channel. I would try and by used. I also have a pro aud kit. So Dirac would be a step up?
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Post by creimes on Sept 15, 2015 9:01:45 GMT -5
Glad I found this thread cause I was about to make one! I am looking at the marantz 8802 or xmc-1. I'm coming from a 4311ci and I have xpa2 and xpa3. Can some one explain to me the noise floor and which is better and how it helps me. I will be using all xlr to hook everything up. And the gain or voltage. Always confused. Dacs! I'm not really caring all the much about the atmos cause I can't implement it in my room yet. So my main thing is SQ! I do mostly movies but I do enjoy 2 channel. I would try and by used. I also have a pro aud kit. So Dirac would be a step up? I can't comment on the sound of the Marantz but I finally got Dirac ran last night and popped in Tron Legacy on Blu-ray and wow, the best my system has sounded to date, the control of the bass is outstanding and there were parts I had the chills  also I see the Marantz is $4000 so at $2500 the XMC seems like a no brainer to me, just my .02 of course. Chad |
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Post by frankie2075 on Sept 15, 2015 9:17:33 GMT -5
Glad I found this thread cause I was about to make one! I am looking at the marantz 8802 or xmc-1. I'm coming from a 4311ci and I have xpa2 and xpa3. Can some one explain to me the noise floor and which is better and how it helps me. I will be using all xlr to hook everything up. And the gain or voltage. Always confused. Dacs! I'm not really caring all the much about the atmos cause I can't implement it in my room yet. So my main thing is SQ! I do mostly movies but I do enjoy 2 channel. I would try and by used. I also have a pro aud kit. So Dirac would be a step up? I can't comment on the sound of the Marantz but I finally got Dirac ran last night and popped in Tron Legacy on Blu-ray and wow, the best my system has sounded to date, the control of the bass is outstanding and there were parts I had the chills also I see the Marantz is $4000 so at $2500 the XMC seems like a no brainer to me, just my .02 of course. Chad Thanks chad. What have you had before xmc-1? How easy was it to set up Dirac? Aud? Is very easy. Does it act quirky the xmc-1? |
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Post by creimes on Sept 15, 2015 9:35:56 GMT -5
I can't comment on the sound of the Marantz but I finally got Dirac ran last night and popped in Tron Legacy on Blu-ray and wow, the best my system has sounded to date, the control of the bass is outstanding and there were parts I had the chills also I see the Marantz is $4000 so at $2500 the XMC seems like a no brainer to me, just my .02 of course. Chad Thanks chad. What have you had before xmc-1? How easy was it to set up Dirac? Aud? Is very easy. Does it act quirky the xmc-1? For the about the past 6 years I have gone from Yamaha RXV-1065 to UMC-1 to Sherbourn PT-7030 and now the XMC-1 and have owned various 2ch analog preamps along the way as well, the 7030 is a very great processor as well but the XMC-1 just seems a little cleaner sounding like the XSP-1 preamp and with Dirac it smooths out the sound really nicely, sorry I'm not the best when it comes to trying to explain it haha. Dirac is easy enough, once you have it on your laptop you just start it up and run the nine spots it asks you to on your couch, i was recommended getting a Mic/Boom stand to hold the mic so it's easier to put the mic where it needs to be and watching the Dirac tutorials make it easier as well, and one thing I like about what Emotiva did with the XMC-1 and really like all of their products is that they focused more on SQ and not things like Airplay and built in Ethernet switches which I would rather have externally from my processor. We all have different opinions and likes but for me the XMC-1 is an amazing piece of gear and I will always highly recommend it especially after running Dirac and hearing it for myself, good luck in whichever you choose but my vote is XMC-1 Chad |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 9:53:44 GMT -5
yup. If you dont want/need ATMOS then the XMC-1 is a great choice!
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Post by XTC on Sept 15, 2015 9:59:39 GMT -5
The MSRP difference excuse for not comparing the XMC-1 and the AV8802 is silly. Emotiva does not negotiate on price and Marantz dealers have $1600 in margin to be chipped into by negotiating. Let me know how successful you are at getting a dealer to sell at only $100 over cost, which is what it would take to get the prices equal and let's see how long they're in business. Let's say you negotiate $1000 (25%) off the MSRP of the AV8802 (really let me know, I doubt that will happen until it's a discontinued model) there is still a $500 difference in the XMC-1's favor. The MSRP is the starting point for comparing prices for me. When manufactures play games by over pricing products just so they can provide discounts to make purchasers think they are getting a "great deal" I question their business practices. I prefer a company that publishes prices that are a fair market value up front and not play games. But that's just me. |
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Post by frankie2075 on Sept 15, 2015 10:17:43 GMT -5
yup. If you dont want/need ATMOS then the XMC-1 is a great choice! Thanks for your input! appreciate it! |
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also I see the Marantz is $4000 so at $2500 the XMC seems like a no brainer to me, just my .02 of course.