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Post by frankie2075 on Sept 15, 2015 10:19:06 GMT -5
Has anything been said about an XPR-1 SSP before I buy an XMC-1.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 10:46:02 GMT -5
yup. If you dont want/need ATMOS then the XMC-1 is a great choice! Thanks for your input! appreciate it! also keep in mind I have gone directly from the XMC-1 to denon x4100 + minidsp 88A w/ dirac. and for both movies and music the difference in sound quality was equal to both setups. With Dirac involved it takes the sound of the processor out of the equation completly... so an alternative is to get a last years ATMOS avr and a minidsp 88A for about 1700$ all in...and you will have the best of both worlds...ATMOS and DIRAC... again cant go wrong with the XMC-1 but just another option for you |
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Post by frankie2075 on Sept 15, 2015 11:30:11 GMT -5
Thanks for your input! appreciate it! also keep in mind I have gone directly from the XMC-1 to denon x4100 + minidsp 88A w/ dirac. and for both movies and music the difference in sound quality was equal to both setups. With Dirac involved it takes the sound of the processor out of the equation completly... so an alternative is to get a last years ATMOS avr and a minidsp 88A for about 1700$ all in...and you will have the best of both worlds...ATMOS and DIRAC... again cant go wrong with the XMC-1 but just another option for you You didn't see any difference in SQ with the xmc-1 over the x4100. Even in 2channel? Atmos right now is useless for me cause I can implement it yet. Going to wait for the dedicated theater and when it becomes more available. Right now I want the best SQ i can afford. In a 5.4 or 7.4 config. Dynamics, dynamics, clarity, detail, soundstage. |
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Post by rtg97229 on Sept 15, 2015 11:33:19 GMT -5
The MSRP difference excuse for not comparing the XMC-1 and the AV8802 is silly. Emotiva does not negotiate on price and Marantz dealers have $1600 in margin to be chipped into by negotiating. Let me know how successful you are at getting a dealer to sell at only $100 over cost, which is what it would take to get the prices equal and let's see how long they're in business. Let's say you negotiate $1000 (25%) off the MSRP of the AV8802 (really let me know, I doubt that will happen until it's a discontinued model) there is still a $500 difference in the XMC-1's favor. The MSRP is the starting point for comparing prices for me. When manufactures play games by over pricing products just so they can provide discounts to make purchasers think they are getting a "great deal" I question their business practices. I prefer a company that publishes prices that are a fair market value up front and not play games. But that's just me. I must have good luck because I paid dealer cost for my AV8802. I am related to someone who is a home installer and authorized dealer. Even people who are not so lucky can log onto audiogon and grab a new one for $2799 or best offer or eBay for $3000 or best offer. |
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Post by rtg97229 on Sept 15, 2015 11:38:12 GMT -5
Thanks for your input! appreciate it! also keep in mind I have gone directly from the XMC-1 to denon x4100 + minidsp 88A w/ dirac. and for both movies and music the difference in sound quality was equal to both setups. With Dirac involved it takes the sound of the processor out of the equation completly... so an alternative is to get a last years ATMOS avr and a minidsp 88A for about 1700$ all in...and you will have the best of both worlds...ATMOS and DIRAC... again cant go wrong with the XMC-1 but just another option for you Yeah I think what you did was the best idea long term. SSPs only last so long technology wise and you can keep the minidsp 88A and it won't be out of date for much longer. |
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Post by frankie2075 on Sept 15, 2015 11:48:25 GMT -5
I also just called and they do not offer 40% discount cards with the xmc-1 only 25% which is still something. They said not for another year or two for the release of another processor. So I should be okay if I buy that one now. And then sell it when the XMR comes out.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 11:52:28 GMT -5
also keep in mind I have gone directly from the XMC-1 to denon x4100 + minidsp 88A w/ dirac. and for both movies and music the difference in sound quality was equal to both setups. With Dirac involved it takes the sound of the processor out of the equation completly... so an alternative is to get a last years ATMOS avr and a minidsp 88A for about 1700$ all in...and you will have the best of both worlds...ATMOS and DIRAC... again cant go wrong with the XMC-1 but just another option for you You didn't see any difference in SQ with the xmc-1 over the x4100. Even in 2channel? Atmos right now is useless for me cause I can implement it yet. Going to wait for the dedicated theater and when it becomes more available. Right now I want the best SQ i can afford. In a 5.4 or 7.4 config. Dynamics, dynamics, clarity, detail, soundstage. no sound quality difference at all. since the 88A process the signal AFTER the AVR so it doesnt effect the sound of dirac....so to me...even 2 channel was identical or as close to as possible with both setups...and I had it well documented I HATED the 2 channel sound of the x4100 and audyssey...hence why i went with the XMC-1. but again...if ATMOS isnt in your immediate future...and have no problem waiting out the XMR-1 which is vaporware as of now...and in my estimation 3-4 years away..then go for the XMC-1 |
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Post by millst on Sept 15, 2015 12:36:58 GMT -5
Yeah I think what you did was the best idea long term. SSPs only last so long technology wise and you can keep the minidsp 88A and it won't be out of date for much longer. Ha, like there won't be an upgraded version of the 88A soon enough. -tm |
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Post by rtg97229 on Sept 15, 2015 12:44:40 GMT -5
Yeah I think what you did was the best idea long term. SSPs only last so long technology wise and you can keep the minidsp 88A and it won't be out of date for much longer. Ha, like there won't be an upgraded version of the 88A soon enough. -tm There may be a version with more channels but I see no reason it would be out of date any time in the next decade at least and even then it will still be useful. |
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Post by millst on Sept 15, 2015 12:52:32 GMT -5
More channels. Higher sampling rate. Better DACs. Dirac Unison. Whatever new hotness DRC comes along that makes us think Dirac is trash, like Audyssey. I'd agree its lifespan is likely to be longer than an AVR, but nothing like a good amp or set of speakers. It's closer to the former, IMO.
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Post by rtg97229 on Sept 15, 2015 13:12:14 GMT -5
I see what you are saying but I just don't see Dirac being good today and trash tomorrow. I do see changes in hdmi standard or a new connector standard becoming popular to made AVRs a SSPs of today near useless.
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Post by frankie2075 on Sept 15, 2015 13:25:56 GMT -5
You didn't see any difference in SQ with the xmc-1 over the x4100. Even in 2channel? Atmos right now is useless for me cause I can implement it yet. Going to wait for the dedicated theater and when it becomes more available. Right now I want the best SQ i can afford. In a 5.4 or 7.4 config. Dynamics, dynamics, clarity, detail, soundstage. no sound quality difference at all. since the 88A process the signal AFTER the AVR so it doesnt effect the sound of dirac....so to me...even 2 channel was identical or as close to as possible with both setups...and I had it well documented I HATED the 2 channel sound of the x4100 and audyssey...hence why i went with the XMC-1. but again...if ATMOS isnt in your immediate future...and have no problem waiting out the XMR-1 which is vaporware as of now...and in my estimation 3-4 years away..then go for the XMC-1 Yea I'm not playing on doing atmos for the next 3-5yrs. Just concerned about SQ. I called emo today and they said they don't do 40% discount cards anymore but they add you to a 25% lifetime upgrade. They also said nothing coming out for a least another 1-2yrs but then again that means at least 2-3yrs. Which is fine and gives me time to save 5gs  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 13:43:40 GMT -5
they gave you wrong info
the upgrade for life program ended on may 1st. so unless you were already part of it (prior to may 1)...you do not get added to it. so you would not get a 25% discount...nor would you on any future processor purchases
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 13:46:41 GMT -5
I see what you are saying but I just don't see Dirac being good today and trash tomorrow. I do see changes in hdmi standard or a new connector standard becoming popular to made AVRs a SSPs of today near useless. correct... its BETTER than Audyssey that will never change. it will never be crap...a flat FR and good impulse requirements will never change.....so DIRAC will never be crap...might there be a better implementation? SURE...but dirac wil always be a solid RC. good sounding speakers 30 years ago are still good sounding speakers...nothing changes |
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Post by frankie2075 on Sept 15, 2015 14:24:55 GMT -5
they gave you wrong info the upgrade for life program ended on may 1st. so unless you were already part of it (prior to may 1)...you do not get added to it. so you would not get a 25% discount...nor would you on any future processor purchases Well I'm going to have to fight them on that one. Or maybe replay there tapes. Cause that's what she told me and I wouldn't know that unless someone told me. |
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Post by djoel on Sept 15, 2015 14:29:38 GMT -5
Hmm, what do you mean they don't take 40% cards anymore?
This is new to me, perhaps they said they're not giving 40% cards no longer, and yes from my understanding Bmoney is correct.The 25% U4L ended on the 1st of May.
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Post by millst on Sept 15, 2015 14:53:23 GMT -5
I was being a bit facetious with the trash commentary. However, Audyssey was the bee's knees until Dirac came along. Even Audyssey's own XT32 is significantly better than the previous iterations. I can't even count how many people that sang its praises now dramatically deride it. That's the Internet for you.
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Post by rtg97229 on Sept 15, 2015 15:00:09 GMT -5
Is the upgrade for life not accepted any more or just not givens when you buy an new SSP? I didn't plan on using mine but if the option is gone that does annoy me due to the use of the words "for life" not "for a while".
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Post by edrummereasye on Sept 15, 2015 15:38:16 GMT -5
Is the upgrade for life not accepted any more or just not givens when you buy an new SSP? I didn't plan on using mine but if the option is gone that does annoy me due to the use of the words "for life" not "for a while". They still honor it, but new purchases don't get you enrolled in it anymore. If you were "in" as of May 1st...you're in, and presumably you are in "for all eternity" lol. If not, you can't _get_ in. IIRC. |
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Post by rtg97229 on Sept 15, 2015 15:45:33 GMT -5
Is the upgrade for life not accepted any more or just not givens when you buy an new SSP? I didn't plan on using mine but if the option is gone that does annoy me due to the use of the words "for life" not "for a while". They still honor it, but new purchases don't get you enrolled in it anymore. If you were "in" as of May 1st...you're in, and presumably you are in "for all eternity" lol. If not, you can't _get_ in. IIRC. Thanks for clarifying. I guess I am in for life. Now that I think about it though I never asked who or what's life when I was enrolled. |
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