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Post by usxplong on May 26, 2015 16:58:55 GMT -5
Just read the Marantz av8802 review by Sound&Vision online. XMC-1 has much better THD+N measurements than 8802. I did not compare the rest of the measurements maybe someone else should do that. So far XMC-1 is the winner for me.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 17:03:50 GMT -5
Someone on AVS said its because the xmc mutes the background? Is that true?
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Post by usxplong on May 26, 2015 17:09:21 GMT -5
Someone on AVS said its because the xmc mutes the background? Is that true? I don't know about muting the background but probably said due to excellent measurements. |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 17:19:41 GMT -5
Someone on AVS said its because the xmc mutes the background? Is that true? I don't know about muting the background but probably said due to excellent measurements. Agreed it's dead quiet. So much that I now want to build a hush box for my PJ. I could never hear it before. Lol |
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Post by millst on May 26, 2015 23:15:42 GMT -5
That person on AVS was joking around about an issue with the XMC-1.
It's tough to compare the measurements against the ones from Secrets. They are not the same tests nor are they as detailed. From what I saw, the XMC-1 was looking better.
I'd like to see a Secrets review of the 8802. However, the XMC-1 has already held its own against much higher priced units than the 8802. I'm not expecting anything interesting on that front. Plus, that's probably getting down in the weeds. People are probably looking at features like Atmos/Auro3D, Audyssey, video processing, triple-zone, etc. first.
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Post by Boomzilla on May 27, 2015 1:18:01 GMT -5
And then there's the propensity to focus on a single measurement as a test of overall goodness. A futile and misguided hope, at best. To look at the total picture, one must consider a broader spectrum:
Sound quality
Video quality
Upgrade-ability
Parts quality
Support
Ease of use
Reliability
Features
Lack of bugs
Manufacturer's stability (will they be there in years to come for parts, repairs, & service)
When ALL of these are added to the equation, then comparisons can be made. Of course, if there's a reason that a single spec is important to YOU, then that spec can be weighted against the others. But all should at least be considered.
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Post by igorzep on May 27, 2015 5:27:12 GMT -5
Someone on AVS said its because the xmc mutes the background? Is that true? It was me  Yes, that is true - it mutes the "background" (perfect digital silence if it appears in the recording). And yes - I was joking around this issue. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 6:23:33 GMT -5
Someone on AVS said its because the xmc mutes the background? Is that true? It was me Yes, that is true - it mutes the "background" (perfect digital silence if it appears in the recording). And yes - I was joking around this issue. Aggggg you got me |
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Post by bootman on May 27, 2015 7:36:09 GMT -5
People are probably looking at features like Atmos/Auro3D, Audyssey, video processing, triple-zone, etc. first. -tm For those folks the XMC should not even be on their radar. So any arguments against the XMC not having those features are just silly. People are realizing that the XMC's focus is on sound quality and not much else. Even for those who are not a fan of "auto room correction" you have the option of running REW and just using the PEQs available for each band. That is very flexible feature for the tweakers among us. If you are not a tweaker or honestly don't want to tweak, I would point you to a unit like the 8802 instead. You will be much happier living in ignorant bliss. ...and I don't mean that in a negative way not everyone wants to (or should) get their hands dirty when it comes to audio if they do not want to go through small hoops to extract the maximum sound quality. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 7:56:43 GMT -5
I HAD atmos. (Still wired and speakers connected) and chose to go with the xmc sans atmos. It sounds that good.
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Post by bootman on May 27, 2015 8:20:49 GMT -5
I HAD atmos. (Still wired and speakers connected) and chose to go with the xmc sans atmos. It sounds that good. The conspiracy theorist in me just sees the latest trend in multiple speakers as an elaborate way of making sure OEMs continue to make quarterly profit margins. Because it does seem that every quarter brings out a new "wow" feature that ultimately does little for SQ improvements vs a properly setup 5.1/7.1 install. hdmi 2.0 hdcp 2.2 is another one. Spread FUD and the lemmings will race to replace all of their gear AGAIN.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 8:45:50 GMT -5
I HAD atmos. (Still wired and speakers connected) and chose to go with the xmc sans atmos. It sounds that good. The conspiracy theorist in me just sees the latest trend in multiple speakers as an elaborate way of making sure OEMs continue to make quarterly profit margins. Because it does seem that every quarter brings out a new "wow" feature that ultimately does little for SQ improvements vs a properly setup 5.1/7.1 install. hdmi 2.0 hdcp 2.2 is another one. Spread FUD and the lemmings will race to replace all of their gear AGAIN. to argue that point...ATMOS is pretty cool...great sounding in fact...but again..once I closed in my room and it became small the effects were not as drastic vs 7.1 the major argument against it is no true content is out (well very little) and even though DSU is really good at what it does...its not what was intended to be heard... if i hadnt installed it prior to construction...I am not sure it wold be worth it enough to cut holes and fish wire... I think if it is around in 2-3 years...the mixers will be even better at t and it will be a must have |
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Post by monkumonku on May 27, 2015 9:22:02 GMT -5
People are probably looking at features like Atmos/Auro3D, Audyssey, video processing, triple-zone, etc. first. -tm For those folks the XMC should not even be on their radar. So any arguments against the XMC not having those features are just silly. People are realizing that the XMC's focus is on sound quality and not much else. Even for those who are not a fan of "auto room correction" you have the option of running REW and just using the PEQs available for each band. That is very flexible feature for the tweakers among us. If you are not a tweaker or honestly don't want to tweak, I would point you to a unit like the 8802 instead. You will be much happier living in ignorant bliss. ...and I don't mean that in a negative way not everyone wants to (or should) get their hands dirty when it comes to audio if they do not want to go through small hoops to extract the maximum sound quality. Agreed, just like you said - "For those folks the XMC should not even be on their radar." Emo planned a product and decided what features it should have, and then they produced it. Perhaps new features will be incorporated in upgrades or subsequent versions but even so, the folks at Emo would decide what to include and what not to, based on what they felt fit the product. It could be argued that Dan declared how the XMC-1 would be fully upgradable, and so why isn't the XMC-1 being upgraded to include Atmos and all the other features coming out. Well, that's like back in the 70's someone could have asked why isn't Chevy outfitting all their cars with 8-track players since that's the wave of the future? Just because a feature exists doesn't mean that Emo is obligated to throw it on the XMC-1. It depends on their judgment of the utility of that feature as it pertains to the product in question. Rather than continuing to harp endlessly about the lack of Atmos on the XMC-1, why not buy a product that already has that feature, eh? |
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Post by bootman on May 27, 2015 9:33:10 GMT -5
It could be argued that Dan declared how the XMC-1 would be fully upgradable, and so why isn't the XMC-1 being upgraded to include Atmos and all the other features coming out. Well, that's like back in the 70's someone could have asked why isn't Chevy outfitting all their cars with 8-track players since that's the wave of the future? Just because a feature exists doesn't mean that Emo is obligated to throw it on the XMC-1. It depends on their judgment of the utility of that feature as it pertains to the product in question. Rather than continuing to harp endlessly about the lack of Atmos on the XMC-1, why not buy a product that already has that feature, eh? I honestly didn't take that statement as the XMC itself would be future proof but that future products based off that platform would be. But I fully understand why others only take that to mean the XMC itself would be upgradable. But that is the engineer in me who knows better. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 9:35:25 GMT -5
No, no free pas on this one.
From Dan's mouth he said it will be the last processor you will need for 10-15 years as it will completely modular and upgradable
I agree with monk though...EMOTIVA will determine what those upgrades are...evidently hdmi 2.0 is the first
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Post by bootman on May 27, 2015 9:46:00 GMT -5
Maybe I'm an over educated consumer and didn't see it that way.
But I'm not going to argue over what Dan said since it really doesn't affect or bother me in anyway.
When it comes time to upgrade to something I need, I'll pick the best of what is available within my budget.
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Post by cawgijoe on May 27, 2015 9:48:08 GMT -5
It's quite possible that someone could keep an XMC-1 for 10-15 years and be happy. Not everyone needs the latest and greatest. Even if it can just keep up with hardware standards and surround sound software updates based on a 7.2 platform, it would satisfy many people.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 9:48:25 GMT -5
Maybe I'm an over educated consumer and didn't see it that way. But I'm not going to argue over what Dan said since it really doesn't affect or bother me in anyway. When it comes time to upgrade to something I need, I'll pick the best of what is available within my budget. haha same here (shocker I know) but it still doesnt forgive the statement |
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Post by bootman on May 27, 2015 9:54:27 GMT -5
Maybe I'm an over educated consumer and didn't see it that way. But I'm not going to argue over what Dan said since it really doesn't affect or bother me in anyway. When it comes time to upgrade to something I need, I'll pick the best of what is available within my budget. haha same here (shocker I know) but it still doesnt forgive the statement Maybe the difference here is that I don't really care what he said. I don't tend to put much weight on marketing claims regardless of what company we are talking about. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 10:03:18 GMT -5
For me the AV8802 was well worth the $1k premium as I am completely invested in Atmos and soon-to-be DTS:X. I use my theater for 99% movies and the audio difference compared to the XMC-1, whatever it may be, is simply irrelevant.
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Yes, that is true - it mutes the "background" (perfect digital silence if it appears in the recording). And yes - I was joking around this issue.
