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Post by goodfellas27 on Dec 26, 2015 9:34:35 GMT -5
What happened to Upgrade for life for early adopters? If this HDMI upgrade included? I remember Big Dan saying the early adopters for the XMC-1 would get it at cost.
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Post by foggy1956 on Dec 26, 2015 9:36:20 GMT -5
What happened to Upgrade for life for early adopters? If this HDMI upgrade included? I remember Big Dan saying the early adopters for the XMC-1 would get it at cost. Define cost? |
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Post by junchoon on Dec 26, 2015 9:38:46 GMT -5
Well I think they meant free labor cost??
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Post by goodfellas27 on Dec 26, 2015 9:51:45 GMT -5
What happened to Upgrade for life for early adopters? If this HDMI upgrade included? I remember Big Dan saying the early adopters for the XMC-1 would get it at cost. Define cost? My understanding was they will provide the HDMI 2.0 board at cost. Meaning, they will not make money with the board or charge labor; it would just cover the cost of making the board. emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/726568/thread |
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Post by goodfellas27 on Dec 26, 2015 9:54:54 GMT -5
I hope this is not bait and switch tactics. They need to clarify all of this.
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Post by fbczar on Dec 26, 2015 10:55:09 GMT -5
At this time, only a handful of 4K televisions, at the high end, can be projected to be HDR capable. It is generally understood that HDR capability will require full backlighting, not edge lighting, and the ability to produce a very bright image. They will also require HDCP 2.2 copy protection capability and, of course, HDMI 2.0. HDR may well be a more important advance in technology than 4K resolution. Sony and some others have nice HDR presentations. Google and check it out. Unless a manufacturer can guarantee a specific set is HDR compliant you are taking a major risk relative to the long term viability of the 4K TV you buy. You are always taking a risk with anything you buy because the latest and greatest is always on the horizon. If you have to buy a new set today because your's died, you can buy a Samsung SUHD 55" set at Costco for $979, or a 1080p set in that size for maybe $800. You can also purchase 65" 4K sets for less than $1,500. Yes, things are always in flux and if you don't need to buy today, it's a good idea to wait, but it's not the end of the world if you have to. I agree. If you need a set now, go ahead and buy one, but I don't think it is wise to invest in a high end 4K TV until the HDR convention is finalized. Edge lit high end sets are particularly risky. |
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Post by geebo on Dec 26, 2015 11:03:36 GMT -5
I hope this is not bait and switch tactics. They need to clarify all of this. So what is their cost to build the board, install it, and ship the XMC back to you? |
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Post by klinemj on Dec 26, 2015 11:11:12 GMT -5
What happened to Upgrade for life for early adopters? If this HDMI upgrade included? I remember Big Dan saying the early adopters for the XMC-1 would get it at cost. The UFL was a program that gave purchasers of certain pre/pro's 25% off the purchase of their next pre/pro. It had nothing to do with the HDMI board. Also, I can't figure out where people are getting this idea that Emotiva would provide folks the new board "at cost". I don't recall that at all. I do recall many of us debating what the cost might be...but never recall Emotiva quoting anything other than something like a " fair" cost or something like that. Mark |
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Post by dmraupp on Dec 26, 2015 11:26:06 GMT -5
What happened to Upgrade for life for early adopters? If this HDMI upgrade included? I remember Big Dan saying the early adopters for the XMC-1 would get it at cost. The UFL was a program that gave purchasers of certain pre/pro's 25% off the purchase of their next pre/pro. It had nothing to do with the HDMI board. Also, I can't figure out where people are getting this idea that Emotiva would provide folks the new board "at cost". I don't recall that at all. I do recall many of us debating what the cost might be...but never recall Emotiva quoting anything other than something like a " fair" cost or something like that. Mark And for those of you waiting for the XMR, please be aware that we do not plan on releasing it until early 2016, so plan accordingly. As a reality check, the code to support DTS-X doesn't even exist for the TI platform yet. Also, our HDMI 2.0 card will be out our BEFORE any compliant source component become available, so please don't worry about this either. We'll be making it available at our cost for existing XMC-1 owners. You're not going to even see a HDCP 2.2 4K source or BD player until well into 2016. from this link emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/726568/thread |
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Post by monkumonku on Dec 26, 2015 11:40:03 GMT -5
The critical variable in this thread about the upgrade is defining "cost." It is not merely the actual cost of the board itself, but the labor required to install the board, test the unit, and the charges for shipping. Some people seem to think labor has no cost or shouldn't be in the calculation, same as some people think a "toll free" phone call is truly free and costs no one anything.
As far as complaints that the $299 upgrade cost is too high, that's all a matter of opinion and if that is what Dan feels he needs to charge for the upgrade as an amount that reflects "cost" then so be it. If you feel that is fair and want the upgrade then pay the money and if you think it is too high then no one is twisting your arm to get it.
As I mentioned before, Schiit charged me a total of $283 to upgrade my Bifrost DAC and I paid it because I wanted the upgrade. Sure I wish it was less, but I like the product and wanted the upgrade and that's what they charged to get it. I didn't, and I haven't seen anyone else hassling Jason Stoddard to justify the cost of that upgrade.
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Post by klinemj on Dec 26, 2015 11:57:27 GMT -5
dmraupp thanks for the link. So, the price they are quoting must be their cost then, adding into it the factors Rickie mentions. Seems reasonable to me actually. For perspective, I also like this from Andrew Robinson: Great perspective...and I also recall many doubting they would ever offer the board. Mark
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Post by dmraupp on Dec 26, 2015 12:05:59 GMT -5
dmraupp thanks for the link. So, the price they are quoting must be their cost then, adding into it the factors Rickie mentions. Seems reasonable to me actually. For perspective, I also like this from Andrew Robinson: Great perspective...and I also recall many doubting they would ever offer the board. Mark Since a lot of units were purchased using a 40% discount card.The cost at that time was $1220.00 shipped.The "cost"of this upgrade board is $299.00 regardless if I install it or have Emotiva install it.That makes the upgrade board equal to about 25% of the cost of the entire XMC-1 initial cost.That does not even include the cost of shipping the XMC-1 to Emotiva to install the board.I would have to insure the package for what $2500.00?That upgrade gets pricey real fast. |
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Post by LCSeminole on Dec 26, 2015 13:03:29 GMT -5
The UFL was a program that gave purchasers of certain pre/pro's 25% off the purchase of their next pre/pro. It had nothing to do with the HDMI board. Also, I can't figure out where people are getting this idea that Emotiva would provide folks the new board "at cost". I don't recall that at all. I do recall many of us debating what the cost might be...but never recall Emotiva quoting anything other than something like a " fair" cost or something like that. Mark And for those of you waiting for the XMR, please be aware that we do not plan on releasing it until early 2016, so plan accordingly. As a reality check, the code to support DTS-X doesn't even exist for the TI platform yet. Also, our HDMI 2.0 card will be out our BEFORE any compliant source component become available, so please don't worry about this either. We'll be making it available at our cost for existing XMC-1 owners. You're not going to even see a HDCP 2.2 4K source or BD player until well into 2016. from this link emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/726568/threadI personally have no insight as to what one of these HDMI 2.0/HDCP 2.2 card costs, but I have no reason to believe that the price Dan Laufman has quoted us in the PodCast isn't at his cost. In my experience with Dan Laufman, I've always known him to be a man of his word as well of high integrity. |
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Post by klinemj on Dec 26, 2015 13:18:25 GMT -5
Since a lot of units were purchased using a 40% discount card.The cost at that time was $1220.00 shipped.The "cost"of this upgrade board is $299.00 regardless if I install it or have Emotiva install it.That makes the upgrade board equal to about 25% of the cost of the entire XMC-1 initial cost. Not sure what the cost of highly discounted unit has to do with it...they were on record as losing money on those. Mark |
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Post by dmraupp on Dec 26, 2015 13:19:01 GMT -5
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Post by 2muchht on Dec 26, 2015 13:36:27 GMT -5
Per the podcast: $299 including return shipping, 48 hour turnaround, available in March, demo at CES. -tm Does anyone have further info on what it will provide? One presumes that it will replace all current inputs on the XMC-1 with full HDMI 2.0a at 600 MHz and HDCP 2.2. The HDCP 2.2 was mentioned in the podcast, but not the clock speed/bandwidth. Again, also somewhat obvious, but just checking that ALL inputs will be replaced as I've got a Roku 4 already for full 4K native content streaming and looking forward to an UltraHD Bluray player by the time the board is available and a Dish 4K Joey, as well. Also second the question what the story will be with new purchases, as that turns the lever on this for me. Now that it is announced, will the board be available in units purchased after the intro date? I can wait three months if that is the case. (As long as there is no price increase.) Denon and Marantz: No models currently support HDCP 2.2, but the brands will offer a free hardware upgrade to the flagship Denon AVR-X7200W and Marantz AV8802 products in the spring. Actually, the latest Denon and Marantz models DO support HDCP 2.2, it's the models from last year that don't. Sony and Onkyo also have HDCP 2.2; the question one must also needs to ask is if the HDMI feature set is full 600 MHz and as HDMI 2.0a. The former will be needed for 10-bit color at more precise color sampling and the latter will be needed to pass the meta data for the Philips and Technicolor HDR schemes. |
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Post by cawgijoe on Dec 26, 2015 13:50:42 GMT -5
We can all justify The $299 price of the board as has been done in here, and I have no idea really what one of these "costs", but I was not expecting it to be that high, so it's a bit of a shock.
Adding approximately $40 shipping and insurance to Emotiva brings the price up, not to mention the time out of your system.
If I get one, I would prefer self installation. Is that price the same whether you send it in or not?
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Post by geebo on Dec 26, 2015 14:27:21 GMT -5
Emotiva never said it would be free. And do you really think that original purchasers of the Denon and Marantz units didn't pay for the "free" upgrade when they purchased their units? |
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Post by novisnick on Dec 26, 2015 14:50:59 GMT -5
Ive yet to truely weight in, other then liking a post here and there! Yep, sticker shock got me,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, don't know why, other then its not "cheap", just my original reaction!!  We I am a cheap frugal minded kind of guy. After more reflection and thought,,,,,,,,yes, dont we all wish it was free, but somebody eventually has to pay!!! Start Bernney game now,,,,,,,fa,,la,,la,,,la,,,la,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,  Bringing our units forward for a few hundered IS cheaper then replacing the whole unit and Im sure it will be well worth it, ( if you intend to do 4K?) was there a particular promise? Cost? I think there was something but Im sure we'll be treated fairly, if I didnt feel this way I sure wouldn't be here. $300.00 aint a pack of bubblegum but its not a zillion dollars either. I wait and see for now,,,,,,,,I have no choice,,,,he,,,,he,,,,he,,,,, its not offered yet,,,,,,,  |
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