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Post by dkaudio on Jul 9, 2016 1:08:09 GMT -5
I got the mic today but have a pretty busy weekend. I had some people over tonight and they asked to hear it. I tried some music videos and an aux input. I was shocked when I looked at the volume and I was maxed! +12 or something like that! I also noticed when I turned the db level up on my subs by the remote the speaker volume went down, if I turned the db level down on my subs by the remote the speaker volume went up, what the heck?!
The subs never really moved a ton either, maybe 1/2" at most. I'm so derailed and confused by this whole experience so far.
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Post by geebo on Jul 9, 2016 9:02:56 GMT -5
I got the mic today but have a pretty busy weekend. I had some people over tonight and they asked to hear it. I tried some music videos and an aux input. I was shocked when I looked at the volume and I was maxed! +12 or something like that! I also noticed when I turned the db level up on my subs by the remote the speaker volume went down, if I turned the db level down on my subs by the remote the speaker volume went up, what the heck?! The subs never really moved a ton either, maybe 1/2" at most. I'm so derailed and confused by this whole experience so far. But you haven't tried the new mic yet, right? |
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Post by dkaudio on Jul 9, 2016 21:59:24 GMT -5
Nope, hopefully tomorrow...
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Post by dkaudio on Jul 10, 2016 13:26:27 GMT -5
New Mic, lots of data... Before DiracREW Speakers Before Dirac = Red LF / Green LS / Light Blue C / Blue RF / Magenta RS  REW Subs Before Dirac = Both Magenta / Front Aqua / Back Gold  After DiracDirac Fronts  Dirac Center  Dirac Surrounds  Dirac Sub Back  Dirac Sub Front  REW Speakers After Dirac = Blue LF / Magenta LS / Aqua C / Gold RF / Green RS  REW Subs After Dirac = Both Magenta / Front Green / Back Gold  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 23:43:21 GMT -5
New Mic, lots of data... Before DiracREW Speakers Before Dirac = Red LF / Green LS / Light Blue C / Blue RF / Magenta RS REW Subs Before Dirac = Both Magenta / Front Aqua / Back Gold After DiracDirac Fronts Dirac Center Dirac Surrounds Dirac Sub Back Dirac Sub Front REW Speakers After Dirac = Blue LF / Magenta LS / Aqua C / Gold RF / Green RS REW Subs After Dirac = Both Magenta / Front Green / Back Gold That looks a whole lot better. Personally I would try setting the delay on the subs internally in the inuke dsp and then eq them as a single unit. At least for curiosity sake anyway. No issues getting the levels set in dirac this time I suppose? When looking at the sub response in rew don't use any smoothing, 1/6 is fine for mains to reduce comb effect. |
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Post by geebo on Jul 12, 2016 6:54:45 GMT -5
Yes, looking better. Is it sounding better?
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Post by dkaudio on Jul 12, 2016 8:51:26 GMT -5
I haven't been home much but I had just an ipod on with music in Direct (direct uses Dirac, right? It is reference stereo that does not?) I think it sounded great.
Am I wrong or do my subs look a little better before Dirac in REW? I guess it did flatten out an 80hz dip. It looks great in Dirac flattening it out but in REW it doesn't look as good. Looks like I may have had the volume a little louder in REW running the second scan, oops.
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Post by geebo on Jul 12, 2016 9:32:36 GMT -5
I haven't been home much but I had just an ipod on with music in Direct (direct uses Dirac, right? It is reference stereo that does not?) I think it sounded great. Am I wrong or do my subs look a little better before Dirac in REW? I guess it did flatten out an 80hz dip. It looks great in Dirac flattening it out but in REW it doesn't look as good. Looks like I may have had the volume a little louder in REW running the second scan, oops. Direct does not use Dirac. It differs from Reference in that it has bass management but no other DSP and that includes Dirac. Try changing your horizontal axis to span 20 to 100Hz. But I think they look fine. To get much better results I'd recommend a UMIK-1 and the full version of Dirac. That will let you define custom target and you will also have a calibration file specifically for you mic. |
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Post by dkaudio on Jul 12, 2016 9:48:12 GMT -5
Great, yeah, next upgrade, gotta pay the beast off first  Thanks for all the help! |
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Post by geebo on Jul 12, 2016 10:30:33 GMT -5
Great, yeah, next upgrade, gotta pay the beast off first Thanks for all the help! Have you tried again using Stereo or Surround modes with the Dirac preset? |
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Post by dkaudio on Jul 12, 2016 10:56:03 GMT -5
I haven't, tonight I will try to listen to some music and watch at least part of a movie to try it out.
Like I mentioned previously, I have only watched 1 movie on it so far with the old mic Dirac filters and I got pretty severe listening fatigue. Hopefully these new curves from a proper mic will help!
Question, how's the audio quality of the front panel 1/8" input? Would it be better to convert and use analog RCA L&R on the rear panel? I am asking for handheld devices, iPod, tablets, etc.
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Post by geebo on Jul 12, 2016 11:12:40 GMT -5
I haven't, tonight I will try to listen to some music and watch at least part of a movie to try it out. Like I mentioned previously, I have only watched 1 movie on it so far with the old mic Dirac filters and I got pretty severe listening fatigue. Hopefully these new curves from a proper mic will help! Question, how's the audio quality of the front panel 1/8" input? Would it be better to convert and use analog RCA L&R on the rear panel? I am asking for handheld devices, iPod, tablets, etc. That's just another analog input and I've never used it but I imagine it would be as good as any of the other analog unbalanced inputs. I think Emotive put it there mostly for phones, tablets and other portable players. |
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Post by dkaudio on Jul 12, 2016 13:05:16 GMT -5
In the future...if I get XLR's should I re-run Dirac again?
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Post by geebo on Jul 12, 2016 13:28:46 GMT -5
In the future...if I get XLR's should I re-run Dirac again? Shouldn't be necessary. The channels using XLRs may play a little louder so a level balance might be needed which you could do with REW or even a cell phone with app. You would just go into the Dirac Preset and match the speaker levels from your listening position. Of course, running Dirac would take care of that for you as well. |
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Post by dkaudio on Jul 12, 2016 14:29:17 GMT -5
To do that I would play an REW test tone, put the XMC at 0 and adjust levels to have all channels hit 85db? Isn't the LFE channel a little hotter in reference? Sorry, just guessing at the correct way to calibrate levels to keep the indicator acurate on the XMC.
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Post by geebo on Jul 12, 2016 14:44:28 GMT -5
To do that I would play an REW test tone, put the XMC at 0 and adjust levels to have all channels hit 85db? Isn't the LFE channel a little hotter in reference? Sorry, just guessing at the correct way to calibrate levels to keep the indicator acurate on the XMC. You could just play the test tones in the XMC. They have 65, 75 and 85dB tones. The absolute levels are not as important as the relative levels and to get absolute levels you'll need to calibrate the mic in REW which would require an SPL meter. If you use the tones in the XMC you don't have to worry about it's volume setting. If you don't have and SPL meter, you could use an app and just match all levels to the left front for example just to get them all the same. |
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Post by dkaudio on Jul 12, 2016 16:25:09 GMT -5
Thanks, I have the iMM-6 mic that should work as a DB meter.
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Post by geebo on Jul 12, 2016 16:29:11 GMT -5
Thanks, I have the iMM-6 mic that should work as a DB meter. It should do just fine. Without a sensitivity entry in the cal file don't pay too much attention to the absolute dB level. Most people will leave the left front at zero and go around the room matching other speakers to whatever reading it has. |
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Post by dkaudio on Jul 12, 2016 18:37:54 GMT -5
Ok, I just listened to some music, analog 2.0 in. It sounds good but still some off things...
In direct it is way louder, sub trim level works fine, does not effect the other speakers.
In Dirac at reference volume hitting the trim + level of the subs on the remote makes my speakers go down, hitting the - brings them back up! This happens from zero to the plus trim, not going negative. In other words, at reference volume if I go from 0 to -12 on the subs trim there is no change in my speakers volume but going positive effects my speakers.
In Dirac with music I can put the volume all the way up (+12) and while loud, it is not crazy loud.
What is the deal doing this in Dirac? This can't be right...
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Post by creimes on Jul 12, 2016 18:43:34 GMT -5
Ok, I just listened to some music, analog 2.0 in. It sounds good but still some off things... In direct it is way louder, sub trim level works fine, sore not effect the other speakers. In Dirac at reference volume hitting the trim + level of the subs on the remote makes my speakers go down, hitting the - brings them back up! This happens from zero to the plus trim, not going negative. In other words, at reference volume if I go from 0 to -12 on the subs trim there is no change in my speakers volume but going positive effects my speakers. In Dirac with music I can put the volume all the way up (+12) and while loud, it is not crazy loud. What is the deal doing this in Dirac? This can't be right... When I had my XMC-1 I used Stereo mode for 2ch, takes advantage of the subs and Dirac |
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