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Post by geebo on Jul 10, 2016 10:21:42 GMT -5
What is wrong with some folks expressing their dissapoinment with the only available finish of speakers? Actually a manufacturer benefits more from critics than fanboys Nothing wrong with it at all. But what's wrong with disagreeing with the disagreement? Or is the thread only for people that don't like the looks of the new speakers? That would make for a very boring thread, don't you think?
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Post by doc1963 on Jul 10, 2016 10:37:21 GMT -5
This thread certainly can't be a review, since no one actually has any in-home to give a subjective opinion, so I'm moving it to a more appropriate area. Is it not a review of Emotiva's choice of speaker finish? After all, Emotiva DID post photos, allowing a subjective review of said finish. In my opinion, no, it's a debate. I'm certainly open to anyone's "opinion", but I certainly agree that this subject belongs in a more appropriate area. I would have moved it to "The Green Room". I try to avoid these types of threads simply because the always escalate into something much bigger than what they were intended and potential buyers rely upon what they read. When I decide to purchase a speaker, I base my decision on what it "sounds" like. After all, that's exactly why I'm buying it. Yes, if it sounds great, but looks like a mosquito trap on steroids, I'll likely pass. However, color (or available finish) is never a deciding factor for "me". Since my HT and 2 channel environments are one in the same space, "my" preference is almost always going to be black. But, again, that's "me" and I think I'm probably in a likeminded majority who are in the same situation. As for the cabinet shape, the "stealth" look is going to be a "love it, or hate it" opinion, but it's also important to note that, according to the product page, it does serve a functional purpose. From the product description.... "The faceted front panel design, borrowed from our studio monitors, not only adds a stylishly futuristic look to our Airmotiv speakers, but also serves a very practical purpose - to minimize diffraction effects and room interactions.". From the professional reviews of the studio monitors, I'll assume there's credence to the claim. Until Emotiva decides to build a manufacturing facility here in the USA and your speakers are "built to order" as is the case with Salk Sound, Tekton Design and Philharmonic Audio (which, btw, sources some of their cabinets from Jim Salk), we're limited to what sells the best as determined by them (Emotiva). It's just that simple. Even more simple is the option to vote with your money. If you don't like a product (for whatever your personal reasons), don't buy it. I fully understand that Ed (Porcheguy) expressed his opinion and I'm receptive of that. I also fully understand, and accept, Dan's reasoning in his response thereto. Now, what I'm waiting for are the opinions once the products are actually released and out in the hands of actual purchasers. To me, and for me, that's what's going to matter. And there's "my" 2 cents....
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Post by jmasterj on Jul 10, 2016 11:13:21 GMT -5
Interesting thread. I'm saving to buy a pair of the T1's, they will most likely be the last audio gear purchase I make this lifetime. Unless some unforeseen event happens and I have to replace something. I will read the reviews once people start receiving the speakers, however, that will not influence my decision to purchase, those opinions will only help to peek my curiosity. All my speakers are grey so I'm not hung up on color. In my opinion the speakers don't look bad to me. I can't wait to hear them.
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Post by DavidR on Jul 10, 2016 11:14:37 GMT -5
Do you like your Snell speakers? Read many good things about them on The Classic Speaker Pages I love my Snells - I have four pairs of them. My main L/R are Snell CV's and they are 20 years old now. I think they still sound darn good - but I think speaker technology has improved over the past two decades. So I want to make a move to upgrade to newer ones. One of the things that attracted me to Snell in the first place was their combination of performance and beauty. My CV's are still beautiful, their light oak veneers look as good as they did when I bought them so many years ago. These are not mine, but this is exactly how they look. Very nice ! Like most people who spend time on The Classic Speaker Pages we still can't find speakers that equal or surpass some of the AR speakers unless you get into the higher end Legacy and Wilsons and spend lots of money. Yes, I can find ones like B&W where the treble is superior - very clean or speakers with better bass or ones with improved mids but when you put it all together they are still can't be beat. To my ears anyway.
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Post by frenchyfranky on Jul 10, 2016 11:16:57 GMT -5
Mainly this thread is completely about personal tastes, so I prefer blondes, lager, jazz, Cabernet sauvignon and I will absolutely not debate on this. That's it!
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Post by Porscheguy on Jul 10, 2016 11:18:11 GMT -5
Is it not a review of Emotiva's choice of speaker finish? After all, Emotiva DID post photos, allowing a subjective review of said finish. In my opinion, no, it's a debate. I'm certainly open to anyone's "opinion", but I certainly agree that this subject belongs in a more appropriate area. I would have moved it to "The Green Room". I try to avoid these types of threads simply because the always escalate into something much bigger than what they were intended and potential buyers rely upon what they read. When I decide to purchase a speaker, I base my decision on what it "sounds" like. After all, that's exactly why I'm buying it. Yes, if it sounds great, but looks like a mosquito trap on steroids, I'll likely pass. However, color (or available finish) is never a deciding factor for "me". Since my HT and 2 channel environments are one in the same space, "my" preference is almost always going to be black. But, again, that's "me" and I think I'm probably in a likeminded majority who are in the same situation. As for the cabinet shape, the "stealth" look is going to be a "love it, or hate it" opinion, but it's also important to note that, according to the product page, it does serve a functional purpose. From the product description.... "The faceted front panel design, borrowed from our studio monitors, not only adds a stylishly futuristic look to our Airmotiv speakers, but also serves a very practical purpose - to minimize diffraction effects and room interactions.". From the professional reviews of the studio monitors, I'll assume there's credence to the claim. Until Emotiva decides to build a manufacturing facility here in the USA and your speakers are "built to order" as is the case with Salk Sound, Tekton Design and Philharmonic Audio (which, btw, sources some of their cabinets from Jim Salk), we're limited to what sells the best as determined by them (Emotiva). It's just that simple. Even more simple is the option to vote with your money. If you don't like a product (for whatever your personal reasons), don't buy it. I fully understand that Ed (Porcheguy) expressed his opinion and I'm receptive of that. I also fully understand, and accept, Dan's reasoning in his response thereto. Now, what I'm waiting for are the opinions once the products are actually released and out in the hands of actual purchasers. To me, and for me, that's what's going to matter. And there's "my" 2 cents.... I certainly agree with much of what you said but the fact remains I was just voicing my opinion about the looks, finish and position of this speaker in the industry. Isn't that what this forum is for? If some like them the way they are great, I do not care. As I said in my opening of the thread I was confident they would perform well. Speaker thread, green room, blue room, mushroom... In all honesty does it really matter where this thread lives? I have no idea how this thread turned into this because I don't like black speakers.. Geez....
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Post by knucklehead on Jul 10, 2016 11:22:20 GMT -5
Put whatever you wish in your garage - I'll put whatever I want in mine - or my home. Its called personal choice. And for the record - mine are much uglier than those - but still better looking than those Stealth F-117's. And WTF? Not even a full moon and everyone is at each other's throats around here. You must think I'm at your throat? I thought I asked a reasonable question. You where comparing the appearance of the Song towers which you like and obviously prefer over the older Emo ERT series and new similar looking Emo series which you describe as butt ugly. You won't answer my question? I really am curious about the price difference. I think the price is very relevant. I presume the Salk's were much more expensive which would seem to me to make your comparison rather unfair. You insulted my (and your former and current) speakers as being butt ugly. I don't think that was necessary especially at the Emo forum. My wife thinks the Salk's (maybe not your finish) are butt ugly (she didn't say butt, only ugly, I just added butt for effect). She is Japanese and knows Fujitsu Jiu Jitsu, so you better watch your mouth or I'll send her over to Uphrata and she'll kick your butt ugly ass! PS: For those who haven't been around here for awhile, understand there are a few jokes interspersed in my response to Knucklehead's rural and insulting post. We on the West side of the Cascades are much more cibilized! Had you simply asked what I paid for the song towers and left off the attempt at insulting my choice of speakers (by way of using your wife's comments) I might have answered you. Suffice it to say I paid nearly the same as what I paid for the ERT's new - and got a custom center channel with that price. Yes - I was an early adopter of the ERT's. Your attempt at insult in your superior (in your mind) urban manner failed miserably. Call your attempt at insult jokes if you wish - your crap around here is tiring - and it stinks. You're probably the only one who thinks you are funny. No - you're 'jokes' are simply pathetic any more. And with this I'm done with this thread. And more of you than you'll ever know.
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Post by millst on Jul 10, 2016 11:22:22 GMT -5
I like black. I don't like the angles. And Axis' hardcore worship of Dan is really creepy. Really. $700 isn't high-end; it's a value point. They may some day do something esoteric and high-end, but this hasn't ever been touted as that so the original point is a fail; but it's certainly an interesting way in submitting your future product ideas to the suggestion box. rbk123 you have always been very creepy to me ! You and millst are two of the most cynical person's I have ever seen. Almost everything you guys post is negative. If I had my way you would not be on this forum. You never contribute to this forum. It is always just a place for you to make a sly remark. Take a hike and don't drag me into this. I may be cynical, but I've helped plenty of people here. -tm
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Post by Dan Laufman on Jul 10, 2016 11:58:53 GMT -5
Hi kids, Well, the Airmotiv line is very attractive in person. And as we all know, everyone says they want different color veneer finishes, but what sells is black. Also, no one wants to pay the extra $100.00 per speaker that the veneer will cost. This is just they way it is. The other problem with veneer color options, is that what one chooses is rarely the wood type or color the client wants on top of everything else! Now, I know what there are some of you who would like colored finishes, but sadly we're not gong to be able to support this at the moment. Black matches everything and making one color helps us to keep costs down. The T1 Towers at 698.00 per pair, are an absolute steal. And the finishes and build quality are very high quality. It's interesting to note that brands like Elac make low cost speakers with very simple rectangular cabinets with inexpensive vinyl finishes, miter joints, no internal bracing, no panel damping, no threaded inserts, etc, etc. and no one comments about their lack of color choices or quality. Their cabinets are absolutely "low end" in construction, but they get rave review for appearance and quality. I'm baffled... get it? I must be doing something wrong... Or, maybe I'm not... Thanks Dan. I'm sure these are very fine performers and you will sell many. I was just posting my opinion and what I like - that's all. Somehow driving a pair of $350.00 speakers with 2 XPR-1's is a bit of a letdown. That's just me. The Airmotiv line is NOT intended for the guy who owns XPR class amplifiers. I think everyone realizes this. It's a VALUE line designed to give our customers great performance and solid build quality and draws directly from our Airmotiv studio monitor products. IMO, they offer a nice professional appearance that complements our Emotiva gear, and they sound great! We are working on a very high performance series, and it will have finish options. Of course, they will be priced accordingly. Is there a full moon this week?? Peace.
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Post by Dan Laufman on Jul 10, 2016 12:00:49 GMT -5
I love these speakers, but talk about ugly...
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Post by Porscheguy on Jul 10, 2016 12:01:15 GMT -5
Thanks Dan. I'm sure these are very fine performers and you will sell many. I was just posting my opinion and what I like - that's all. Somehow driving a pair of $350.00 speakers with 2 XPR-1's is a bit of a letdown. That's just me. The Airmotiv line is NOT intended for the guy who owns XPR class amplifiers. I think everyone realizes this. It's a VALUE line designed to give our customers great performance and solid build quality and draws directly from our Airmotiv studio monitors products. IMO, they offer a nice professional appearance that complements our Emotiva gear, and they sound great! We are working on a very high performance series, and it will have finish options. Of course, they will be priced accordingly. Is there a full moon this week?? Peace. That's all I needed to hear. I have not heard anything about a high performance series at all so this is good news. I has asked in the forum about an upscale speaker but no one knew much.. Sorry that this thread descended in to the abyss. That was not my intention at all..
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Post by brutiarti on Jul 10, 2016 12:04:27 GMT -5
What is wrong with some folks expressing their dissapoinment with the only available finish of speakers? Actually a manufacturer benefits more from critics than fanboys Nothing wrong with it at all. But what's wrong with disagreeing with the disagreement? Or is the thread only for people that don't like the looks of the new speakers? That would make for a very boring thread, don't you think? Nothing wrong with that either. I actually like black speakers but some people get up in arms to attack the op for being disappointed. Also i agree that this subject doesn't belong to a review thread
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Post by Dan Laufman on Jul 10, 2016 12:11:18 GMT -5
By the way, the reason we abandoned the "curvy" sleek look of the original concepts is that they looked like EVERY other speaker on the market these days. It's an overused and tired design theme. We went with the Airmotiv design language because we have thousands of happy Airmotiv customers and many, many, of them have asked for home versions of these speakers with grills. And lot's of people like the look. So, this is the direction we decide to go in. We are not a curvy company. And for the record, the new high end reference series will not be curvy either. Think Stealth on steroids. So, there!
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Post by yeeeha17 on Jul 10, 2016 12:32:22 GMT -5
Good news love to see the flagship speakers
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Post by frenchyfranky on Jul 10, 2016 12:59:58 GMT -5
I also prefer curvy women to speakers.
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Post by dust770 on Jul 10, 2016 13:03:04 GMT -5
I personally like the look of the new Airmotivs and am considering a purchase. I would prefer more full range though. If they had a bigger version I would buy for sure. And black is the only color I would ever buy. Personally I do not like the look of wood or wood veneers. That's just my taste though. I would like it if Emo would put bigger photos of their products and put them in real world environments for a better perspective on size and how they look in a room. Take a tape measure and measure out 37-5/8” high x 8-3/8” wide x 11-5/8” deep. 38" is 3 foot 2 inches high. That is not small. I guess I am equating a slightly bigger speaker with a bit more range in th low end although 37 hz is a really good range for the size of these speakers. My current speakers are 44 high x 9.5 wide x 18 deep. So with a smaller footprint the Airmotivs accomplish a lot. I am more of a modern/contemorary design kinda guy and thes T1 look better every time I view them.
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Post by dust770 on Jul 10, 2016 13:05:45 GMT -5
Porscheguy : I think you would be happy with a pair of these I had a pair of AR LST's. Got them when I worked at Acoustic Research 400 years ago. I still use my acoustic research 312HO' s as my main listening speakers. I've always loved them but time for something new
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Post by adaboy on Jul 10, 2016 15:06:10 GMT -5
By the way, the reason we abandoned the "curvy" sleek look of the original concepts is that they looked like EVERY other speaker on the market these days. It's an overused and tired design theme. We went with the Airmotiv design language because we have thousands of happy Airmotiv customers and many, many, of them have asked for home versions of these speakers with grills. And lot's of people like the look. So, this is the direction we decide to go in. We are not a curvy company. And for the recored, the new high end reference series will not be curvy either. Think Stealth on steroids. So, there! 😢 tired design... Can we say profitable design? I understand moving in a different direction. I guess we customers can also. Can you please add at least a touch of curvy? ☺️
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Post by Cogito on Jul 10, 2016 18:39:03 GMT -5
I love these speakers, but talk about ugly... Hard to get pretty wood finishes on two inch think speakers
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Post by Cogito on Jul 10, 2016 18:43:58 GMT -5
We are working on a very high performance series, and it will have finish options. Of course, they will be priced accordingly. Now we're talking! I look forward to these! Think "Olive Burl" LOL
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