stiehl11
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Post by stiehl11 on Jul 10, 2016 23:54:27 GMT -5
That's not a picture of a Phase Technology PC speaker!!!  |
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Post by cwt on Jul 11, 2016 6:01:58 GMT -5
As for the cabinet shape, the "stealth" look is going to be a "love it, or hate it" opinion, but it's also important to note that, according to the product page, it does serve a functional purpose. From the product description.... "The faceted front panel design, borrowed from our studio monitors, not only adds a stylishly futuristic look to our Airmotiv speakers, but also serves a very practical purpose - to minimize diffraction effects and room interactions.". From the professional reviews of the studio monitors, I'll assume there's credence to the claim. Doc ; Ime a bit surprised about the lack of any consideration between the tradeoff between aesthetics and minimizing diffraction effects being shown by many here . Theres a reason B&W [as just one example] use an "egg" shaped molding for their tweeter and midrange in their 800 series ; so the baffle doesnt interfere with sound wave propagation .. Those who dont like the angles have a simple choice ; sound quality or aesthetics . Another choice is cabinet width ; narrower cabinets also have implications in frequency response and phase response and stepped baffles can help time delay . Heres a few graphs as to diffraction effects and why its important for the higher frequencies in the time domain ; point source is the ideal.. www.speakerdesign.net/understand.html Although my own speakers have a Jarrah veneer [to match some custom wood cabinets] I would be happy with ''front bezel is finished with multiple coats of attractive satin finish black lacquer, which looks elegant while resisting fingerprints and scratches''. Didnt suspect anyone didnt like piano black lacquer that much ? Now if the baffle was like my old richter wizard mk2's which were just painted mdf that would be different  One thought that occurred is [as has happened before] enough vigorous debate elicits some new info about upmarket speakers to come ; good thing or no .. Old saying about the squeaky wheel getting the oil I spose  |
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Post by Cogito on Jul 11, 2016 6:26:55 GMT -5
I also prefer curvy women to speakers. Well... Depends on what speakers we're talking about! |
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Post by kewlmunky on Jul 11, 2016 7:35:48 GMT -5
I think having them black and non glossy as the sole finish is probably the best finish to have if one is going to only offer one. As Dan said, black matches basically anything. Another bonus is that if someone really doesn't like the look that much they will basically disappear in a dark theater room, where as a brighter and glossy finish wouldn't do that.
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guitarforlife
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Post by guitarforlife on Jul 11, 2016 8:11:36 GMT -5
That's not a picture of a Phase Technology PC speaker!!! Well...... that is because it is not. |
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Post by frenchyfranky on Jul 11, 2016 9:41:18 GMT -5
I also prefer curvy women to speakers. Well... Depends on what speakers we're talking about!  Or this one?  |
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Post by KeithL on Jul 11, 2016 10:21:27 GMT -5
Curved edges, and "eggy" shapes, have been shown to work quite well... but so have faceted designs. B&W likes highly rounded edges, Avalon likes facets, and Wilson doesn't seem to worry much about either.... and all of them seem to manage to produce speakers that sound very good. And, of course, we didn't just set out to make our new speakers look like some other speaker manufacturer's idea of what looks good.... There are many ways to minimize diffraction effects, and the one we've chosen for the Airmotiv speakers works very well. You can see that from their measured performance and, more importantly, hear it by the way they sound. (As far as aesthetics, I personally prefer matte black facets to gloss black eggs.... but, if they didn't sound really good, then I wouldn't much care how cool they look.) As for the cabinet shape, the "stealth" look is going to be a "love it, or hate it" opinion, but it's also important to note that, according to the product page, it does serve a functional purpose. From the product description.... "The faceted front panel design, borrowed from our studio monitors, not only adds a stylishly futuristic look to our Airmotiv speakers, but also serves a very practical purpose - to minimize diffraction effects and room interactions.". From the professional reviews of the studio monitors, I'll assume there's credence to the claim. Doc ; Ime a bit surprised about the lack of any consideration between the tradeoff between aesthetics and minimizing diffraction effects being shown by many here . Theres a reason B&W [as just one example] use an "egg" shaped molding for their tweeter and midrange in their 800 series ; so the baffle doesnt interfere with sound wave propagation .. Those who dont like the angles have a simple choice ; sound quality or aesthetics . Another choice is cabinet width ; narrower cabinets also have implications in frequency response and phase response and stepped baffles can help time delay . Heres a few graphs as to diffraction effects and why its important for the higher frequencies in the time domain ; point source is the ideal.. www.speakerdesign.net/understand.html Although my own speakers have a Jarrah veneer [to match some custom wood cabinets] I would be happy with ''front bezel is finished with multiple coats of attractive satin finish black lacquer, which looks elegant while resisting fingerprints and scratches''. Didnt suspect anyone didnt like piano black lacquer that much ? Now if the baffle was like my old richter wizard mk2's which were just painted mdf that would be different One thought that occurred is [as has happened before] enough vigorous debate elicits some new info about upmarket speakers to come ; good thing or no .. Old saying about the squeaky wheel getting the oil I spose |
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Post by teaman on Jul 11, 2016 10:41:24 GMT -5
Wow, gotta love an opinion thread. Why is it that some people cannot accept the fact that we all have different taste? I mean I have read reviews of the DC-1 being equal or better than the XDA-2 series but I have also read opinions to the contrary. I own four XDA-2's instead of the DC-1 simply because I do not like the look of the DC-1. Why is there something wrong with that opinion? Also, if I was running some Stealth 8's or something then the DC-1 would make sense to me, angles on the front face and angles on the speaker faces as well.
For the record, I don't think there is a single poster here that has not owned Emotiva products at some time or other, to think that because people like other brands, designs, sounds or whatever else seems downright childish. To me I say buy what you want, enjoy what you want and feel free to disagree with others if your opinions differ. We do live in a free country I believe even though freedom of speech certainly is not what it is cracked up to be.
Look at my signature, do you think I am an Emotiva basher? However there are some products I am not a fan of, and some I simply do not like the design of. Why is it that the Emotiva police enter the forums with guns drawn to protect this brand? It sounds really silly and petty when people chime in to tell others what they should or should not say in here in regards to opinions of this, or any other brand. It is obvious that most people in here frequent the forums because they have some interest in what is going on with Emotiva. Same charades happen when somebody owns something other then Klipsch in the Klipsch forum I also frequent. Big deal, we should be allowed to voice opinions of detail, design cues, or whatever else until there are legitimate reviews available from owners that can decipher fact from fiction.
Tim
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Post by cwt on Jul 11, 2016 12:22:41 GMT -5
Curved edges, and "eggy" shapes, have been shown to work quite well... but so have faceted designs. B&W likes highly rounded edges, Avalon likes facets, and Wilson doesn't seem to worry much about either.... and all of them seem to manage to produce speakers that sound very good. And, of course, we didn't just set out to make our new speakers look like some other speaker manufacturer's idea of what looks good.... There are many ways to minimize diffraction effects, and the one we've chosen for the Airmotiv speakers works very well. You can see that from their measured performance and, more importantly, hear it by the way they sound. (As far as aesthetics, I personally prefer matte black facets to gloss black eggs.... but, if they didn't sound really good, then I wouldn't much care how cool they look.) Angled and faceted -all things being equal - is quite reasonable Keith ; B&W once said how hard and expensive it was to get the right shape and how many 'eggs' it took to mould a good one . If I take the driver cover off my Timberwolves for aesthetics it has some foam bluetacked around its ribbon tweeter for dispersion reasons as many do ; not the best look compared to some rather more techy looking angles on the T1 . It does come down to taste even in the rarefied air of B&W ; the new models they just released have polarised opinions t the extent of not likng the new egg shape and the woofers not being flush anymore .. Will be interesting how much the T1's retail for down here in Aus |
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Post by assy74 on Jul 11, 2016 14:32:00 GMT -5
I was also a bit dissapointed by the specs of the new speakers..... And the shape of the speakers look a bit odd if you ask my taste, but the tast of people are different! I hope I will get the chance to listen to them one day. And I have no doubt that they will sound really well in their price range But I think porscheguy has a point when he says that you dont hook them up with a pair of xpr-1s or xpa-1...... They should make some speakers that will enjoy those great amps! My xpr-5 runs very smooth with my dynaudio focus 360, which are some awesome speakers (4500$ pair). And I agree with Dan that black is the colour to go for What ever people say in this thread............ NOT one other company can deliver so much quality for less $$$$$$! So if people dont like it they can pay more for less with others |
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Post by Cogito on Jul 11, 2016 14:43:21 GMT -5
Padding your post count? Phew! Look at you go! |
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Post by Cogito on Jul 11, 2016 15:00:24 GMT -5
I was also a bit dissapointed by the specs of the new speakers..... And the shape of the speakers look a bit odd if you ask my taste, but the tast of people are different! I hope I will get the chance to listen to them one day. And I have no doubt that they will sound really well in their price range But I think porscheguy has a point when he says that you dont hook them up with a pair of xpr-1s or xpa-1...... They should make some speakers that will enjoy those great amps! My xpr-5 runs very smooth with my dynaudio focus 360, which are some awesome speakers (4500$ pair). And I agree with Dan that black is the colour to go for What ever people say in this thread............ NOT one other company can deliver so much quality for less $$$$$$! So if people dont like it they can pay more for less with others The thread has NOTHING to do with the quality or price/performance ratios. EVERYONE here knows that Emotiva offers tremendous value. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 23:03:06 GMT -5
They're some of the ugliest speakers I've seen pics of.. but Dan says they're awesome. So anyone who disagrees must be crazy. Way to hit another home run Emo. Keep up the great work. And I DID have plans to buy some of the new passive bookshelf speakers. But... Oh well they don't like canadian dollars anyway. Hey fattykid, What's the beef? You don't even own any Emo gear... why all of the negativity? If you don't like them, don't buy them. It appears all of your speakers are home brew, so you can't be that picky about looks... BTW, I love Canadian dollars! Peace. Now if you could've responded 4 months ago when I asked questions and quoted you there wouldn't be any negativity. I actually have owned a ton of emo gear, but sold it all off when you decided to stop worrying about international customers. I have my opinions of you and the way you run your company, I don't need to make them more public than I have in the past. As far as my "homebrew" speakers.. yeah I guess custom rosenut subs and Black pearl metallic gloss finishes are pretty run of the mill.. My apologies for giving my opinion on your gear. |
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Post by copperpipe on Jul 12, 2016 6:54:12 GMT -5
Now if you could've responded 4 months ago when I asked questions and quoted you there wouldn't be any negativity. I actually have owned a ton of emo gear, but sold it all off when you decided to stop worrying about international customers. I have my opinions of you and the way you run your company, I don't need to make them more public than I have in the past. As far as my "homebrew" speakers.. yeah I guess custom rosenut subs and Black pearl metallic gloss finishes are pretty run of the mill.. My apologies for giving my opinion on your gear. I guess the logical question would be, what are you still doing here? You have no Emo gear, care nothing for the company, why bother leaving your opinion time and again? If you don't like the company, just move on. Real customers are trying to have a conversation here and you're giving us Canunks a bad name  |
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Post by rbk123 on Jul 12, 2016 8:22:26 GMT -5
Expecting the president of a company to respond to every post directed to him on a message board is rather unrealistic. I would have recommended some other method to get in direct contact with him, but that too is normally a very difficult challenge with corporate CEO's in the business world and so I wouldn't just assume it would/should happen. However we all have our own stances we feel we must take, so it is what it is.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2016 8:47:14 GMT -5
The cabinets of the Airmotiv speakers are vinyl-wrapped, but the baffles are 1" thick and painted. There would be nothing stopping anyone from masking the vinyl section of the cabinet, removing the functional pieces, and painting the baffle in a custom color and sheen. I myself have considered painting a pair in gloss white, for an Imperial Stormtrooper-esque look. However, from our end this would be prohibitive because we would need to order a large quantity of any custom color - a Chinese cabinet factory won't just do one-offs in any color you like, nor will they put up with splitting orders among multiple colors at this price. Hence, the black. There's a good reason why you walk into a Best Buy and the speakers on the rack are all black - it is the least visually offensive finish color in most environments. (If your Best Buy has a Magnolia, you can find other colors - normally gloss black or white - but how much more are you paying at that point?)
Let me phrase it differently. If the Airmotiv speakers were offered in any finish you wanted, how much more would you be willing to pay? 2 times more? 5 times more?
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Post by KeithL on Jul 12, 2016 8:48:05 GMT -5
On the subject of color.....
I also like veneer - although I'm more inclined to something like walnut or dark oak.
However, to put it bluntly, a lot of our customers actually have a budget.
There are plenty of companies that offer you a choice of cool fancy veneers and finishes....
The problem is that, with many of them, the veneer costs MORE THAN OUR ENTIRE SPEAKER (and that's AFTER you buy the speaker itself).
We chose to put the money into the actual parts and design... and to go with black... which most people either actually like, or, at the very least, find to be "inoffensive" or "neutral".
And, as for the design itself, it is both cool looking and eminently practical......
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2016 9:26:45 GMT -5
Yeah.. You guys are right. Thank you for showing me I have nothing to offer the community.
Happy listening and best regards in the future.
Ivor..
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Post by Cogito on Jul 12, 2016 9:50:14 GMT -5
On the subject of color..... I also like veneer - although I'm more inclined to something like walnut or dark oak. However, to put it bluntly, a lot of our customers actually have a budget. There are plenty of companies that offer you a choice of cool fancy veneers and finishes.... The problem is that, with many of them, the veneer costs MORE THAN OUR ENTIRE SPEAKER (and that's AFTER you buy the speaker itself). We chose to put the money into the actual parts and design... and to go with black... which most people either actually like, or, at the very least, find to be "inoffensive" or "neutral". And, as for the design itself, it is both cool looking and eminently practical...... Well, if you're talking about exotic wood species veneers, yes, they can be STUPID expensive. However, oak, cherry, maple and walnut are all very reasonable. |
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Post by Loop 7 on Jul 12, 2016 10:25:15 GMT -5
Hi kids, Well, the Airmotiv line is very attractive in person. And as we all know, everyone says they want different color veneer finishes, but what sells is black. Also, no one wants to pay the extra $100.00 per speaker that the veneer will cost. This is just they way it is. The other problem with veneer color options, is that what one chooses is rarely the wood type or color the client wants on top of everything else! I actually don't like veneer. I prefer vinyl or other materials. Oh, and I own ELAC speakers. I rave about them because they sound great. |
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