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Post by garbulky on Dec 2, 2016 11:18:30 GMT -5
The 4k hdr clip looks like normal definition. I am viewing it on my 14 inch monitor. Quite dissapointed.  |
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Post by andyman on Dec 2, 2016 14:01:17 GMT -5
The 4k hdr clip looks like normal definition. I am viewing it on my 14 inch monitor. Quite dissapointed. You're quite disappointed in a photograph he posted of a 4K display ? What a tough crowd. I have a feeling that being in that room looking at the display might yield a different opinion. 😁 |
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Post by garbulky on Dec 2, 2016 15:36:38 GMT -5
The 4k hdr clip looks like normal definition. I am viewing it on my 14 inch monitor. Quite dissapointed. You're quite disappointed in a photograph he posted of a 4K display ? What a tough crowd. I have a feeling that being in that room looking at the display might yield a different opinion. 😁 It's a joke my friend!  |
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Post by andyman on Dec 2, 2016 22:00:50 GMT -5
Oh, Thank God.
Sorry, I thought you took a nasty pill too.
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Post by Jim on Dec 2, 2016 23:26:54 GMT -5
The 4k hdr clip looks like normal definition. I am viewing it on my 14 inch monitor. Quite dissapointed. I'm looking at it on an Apple IIgs It's all black, but man are the blacks amazing. |
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Post by Dan Laufman on Dec 3, 2016 8:53:58 GMT -5
Can you bi-amp your mains with the MC-700? Yes! |
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Post by urwi on Dec 3, 2016 11:14:19 GMT -5
Keith and Dan seem to monitor these threads. I would have thought Emotiva has answers to my questions or didn't they design the MC-700? Since nobody has one, I doubt you're going to get an answer now. You'll have to wait until somebody buys one and measures it, assuming somebody is willing to in the first place. I have not heard the same complaints levied against the XMC-1, but I can't say I've seen anyone run the tests on it either. -tm |
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Post by creimes on Dec 5, 2016 12:50:13 GMT -5
I just noticed the MC-700 has no extra zone outputs, that's disappointing for us with outdoor speakers  Maybe the Surround back channels can be set for this ??Just got off the phone with Emotiva and there is no Zone 2 Chad |
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Post by Gary Cook on Dec 5, 2016 17:54:04 GMT -5
Have the odd UMC-200 signal routing and usability issues been resolved? I've had a UMC-200 since they were launched plus I've installed 3 others for local Emotiva customers and I have never noticed any "signal routing or usability issues". The guy who wrote the review you refer to has his own opinion on the logic of processors, how they should work according to him. He didn't like it that Emotiva made other choices, ones that differed from his. Some people think he is right, some don't, most don't care as long as they can get the result that they want. The satisfaction ratings on the UMC-200 are extremely high, so if the so called "issues" were affecting users in the real world then it wouldn't be so. So let's try and resolve your questions, what specific "issues" are you personally concerned with? And why are you concerned with them? Exactly what effect does it have on your listening? Armed with that the guys with MC-700's once they become available. can answer your questions. Cheers Gary |
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Post by urwi on Dec 6, 2016 8:56:48 GMT -5
Hi Gary I don't think anybody without proper tools can tell whether a piece of equipment is working as it should or not. Using only ones ears there's no reference to compare to. It could be the mixing engineer having applied EQ, it could be the equipment malfunctioning. In other words, ignorance is bliss. Here's some more details regarding your questions. I don't have any room treatments like most. Looking at the frequency response I would need more than 3 filters to tame room resonances. In my book getting the bass right is one of the most important steps in dialing in my system. I'd think 0.03ft steps would be more practical. A delay equalling 0.3ft will shift a phantom image by 30%! I would need much finer control over delay to dial in my speakers otherwise imaging will greatly suffer. 1 hour and 20 minutes just to set EQ values for 8 speakers? Very cumbersome. USB upload or similar would be more user friendly. I'd like to be able to set a fixed volume level at powering up. Starting my mornings with the volume setting of last night's movie session would eventually give me a heart attack. This will create a deep notch right at the crossover frequency. Guess I could switch polarity on my subs as a workaround. Not sure what to make of this. How do those test tones compare to those found on various discs and REW? Equalizing speakers will most likely affect their overall level. If the test tones are post EQ they don't take that level change into account hence speaker level calibration with a SPL meter will be wrong as it only sees the unprocessed speaker not the equalized speaker. Imaging will suffer. If I set EQ in the left speaker for example I will hear the effect in my headphones. The same is true for setting bass management, delay and gains. None of these settings should have any effect on what is heard via headphones. When switching to direct I would expect to hear an unprocessed signal. Only speaker distance and level settings should still be active. No signal should be directed to any other speaker i.e. bass management needs to be bypassed when direct is engaged. This doesn't seem to be the case in the UMC-200. I've had a UMC-200 since they were launched plus I've installed 3 others for local Emotiva customers and I have never noticed any "signal routing or usability issues". The guy who wrote the review you refer to has his own opinion on the logic of processors, how they should work according to him. He didn't like it that Emotiva made other choices, ones that differed from his. Some people think he is right, some don't, most don't care as long as they can get the result that they want. The satisfaction ratings on the UMC-200 are extremely high, so if the so called "issues" were affecting users in the real world then it wouldn't be so. So let's try and resolve your questions, what specific "issues" are you personally concerned with? And why are you concerned with them? Exactly what effect does it have on your listening? Armed with that the guys with MC-700's once they become available. can answer your questions. Cheers Gary |
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Post by rbk123 on Dec 6, 2016 11:14:18 GMT -5
Paralysis by over-analysis.
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Post by urwi on Dec 6, 2016 11:49:26 GMT -5
Not paralyzed, just checking basic functionality. Things have become a little bit more complex with multichannel audio. Paralysis by over-analysis. |
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Post by bolle on Dec 6, 2016 11:51:15 GMT -5
Your list contains about 2,5 issues / bugs (headphone, phase shift and maybe the way Direct is handled for digital signals). The rest is a wish list regarding features YOU would like...
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Post by urwi on Dec 6, 2016 14:07:00 GMT -5
I count 5 major issues. Distance settings, test tones, 180 degree phase shift, headphones, direct mode. I've listed other issues because Gary specifically asked for it: what specific "issues" are you personally concerned with? Your list contains about 2,5 issues / bugs (headphone, phase shift and maybe the way Direct is handled for digital signals). The rest is a wish list regarding features YOU would like... |
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Post by bolle on Dec 6, 2016 14:34:09 GMT -5
How can "distance settings" be an issue when finer steps were never advertised or promised? Well, let´s just forget it, you are learn-resistant I guess. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Dec 6, 2016 15:08:31 GMT -5
One at a time; I don't have any room treatments like most. Looking at the frequency response I would need more than 3 filters to tame room resonances. In my book getting the bass right is one of the most important steps in dialing in my system. Dan has already answered that question, can you please remove it from your concerns. BTW, for someone concerned with minute details of audio performance not to have paid any consideration to acoustics is unusual. My experience has been that no amount of "correction" can fix a bad room. I'd suggest looking at the acoustics and making some effort to fix at least the major issues. To accomplish that specialised acoustic treatments are not always necessary, double layer curtains for example, selecting the appropriate underfelt and carpet, speaker location is as always important as even a few mm's can make a difference. Do the best you can with the room first them apply correction has always worked best for me. Cheers Gary |
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Post by Gary Cook on Dec 6, 2016 15:13:57 GMT -5
As commented on previously these are personal preferences, not issues, what you would like, but are somewhat unrealistic in a $500 processor. I'd think 0.03ft steps would be more practical. A delay equalling 0.3ft will shift a phantom image by 30%! I would need much finer control over delay to dial in my speakers otherwise imaging will greatly suffer. 1 hour and 20 minutes just to set EQ values for 8 speakers? Very cumbersome. USB upload or similar would be more user friendly. I'd like to be able to set a fixed volume level at powering up. Starting my mornings with the volume setting of last night's movie session would eventually give me a heart attack. Maybe you should be looking at an RMC-1 or an XMC-1. On the 10 cm increments, I don't know about you but I never hold my head in exactly the same position for a 2 hour movie. Maybe I'm a wriggle worm but I shift around far more than 10 cm. Does that mean I should stop the movie every time I move and re correct? Or that anyone whose ears are more than 10 cm away from mine has to suffer? On the start up volume question, I simply program a single volume click into the start up sequence which sets the initial volume at zero. Then I increase the volume to the level I want at that particular time. It has proven the most effective as volume is very much source dependant, for example a quiet Dolby D movie source before turning off at night can be a very loud stereo news source first thing in the morning. So a fixed start off volume wouldn't work for me. Cheers Gary |
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Post by Gary Cook on Dec 6, 2016 15:38:15 GMT -5
I'm sorry but this one doesn't make any sense to me. Equalizing speakers will most likely affect their overall level. If the test tones are post EQ they don't take that level change into account hence speaker level calibration with a SPL meter will be wrong as it only sees the unprocessed speaker not the equalized speaker. Imaging will suffer. Isn't this a chicken and egg question, which comes first, frequency equalisation or overall speaker volume? No matter which way around it is carried out it still requires re doing what came before it. I usually have a 4 step process, yes it takes time, but it's not like I have to do it every time I use the processor, I only do it once, so I take the time necessary to get it right. Cheers Gary |
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Post by Gary Cook on Dec 6, 2016 15:41:58 GMT -5
Like you I don't understand the issue, the inbuilt manual test tones work perfectly for me and give exactly the same result as my test tone disk. Not sure what to make of this. How do those test tones compare to those found on various discs and REW? Maybe someone else knows what this about and can help. Cheers Gary |
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Post by urwi on Dec 6, 2016 16:17:01 GMT -5
Your hostility baffles me. I came here to ask questions how the MC-700 works and if it's similar to the behavior of the UMC-200. Distance settings is just one of the questions I brought up. You haven't added anything useful to that discussion but yet you feel the need to constantly harass me. Please stop that behavior or this will be my last reply to anything you say. I let the mods decide if they tolerate your behavior or not. How can "distance settings" be an issue when finer steps were never advertised or promised? Well, let´s just forget it, you are learn-resistant I guess. |
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