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Post by GTPlus on Sept 23, 2016 8:15:18 GMT -5
I voted no. I am in need of replacing my UMC-1 and the Emersa does everything I need (except a zone 2). Will probably get the Emersa amps so esthetics won't matter. I am also not sold on the need for balanced connections for 6 inches of signal cable. Might change this to a maybe if there was more differentiation of the Emersa/XMC-1L
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Post by wrinklemash on Sept 23, 2016 8:19:28 GMT -5
HDMI specifics would make this a go or no-go. * Will the single HDMI 2.0/HDCP 2.2 input be 300 MHz/9 Gbps or 600 MHz/18 Gbps? The latter is, or will soon be important for 12-bit signals as we'll find for Dolby Vision and more. * On the other side, to accommodate HDR-10 you must have HDMI 2.0a so that the single stream data can pass. Will it have the "2.0a" version? * Lastly, any chance that it will be future upgradeable to the same "all HDMI 2.0/HDCP 2.2" board planed for the original XMC-1? That wouldn't have made a difference 18 months ago, but with XBox One S or PS4 Pro, 4K DirecTV or Dish and Roku 4, only one HDMI 2.0/HDCP 2.2 just isn't enough anymore. Particularly with the Oppo UltraHD Blu Ray at what they said from CEDIA reports will be $499 I bet that will be on MANY holiday shopping lists! With what is said above, and the fact this unit will not materialize overnight, it would be smart to have it all connections HDMI 2.0a compatible. Also, this unit will see more use in living rooms/game rooms/man caves that the regular XMC-1 so the ability to hook up all the toys expressed above is important. The mock up shows four HDMI inputs and two HDMI outputs. It might be better to go 5 HDMI in and 1 HDMI out. |
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Post by brubacca on Sept 23, 2016 8:55:35 GMT -5
I voted no. I am in need of replacing my UMC-1 and the Emersa does everything I need (except a zone 2). Will probably get the Emersa amps so esthetics won't matter. I am also not sold on the need for balanced connections for 6 inches of signal cable. Might change this to a maybe if there was more differentiation of the Emersa/XMC-1L The biggest question would be the engine. I would prefer the TI platform that this XMC-1L appears to have. Which platform (cirrus or TI) does the EMP-1 have? |
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Post by Hair Nick on Sept 23, 2016 8:56:08 GMT -5
Quick notes: maseline98, We have a mock up with the dial as well. The reason why we have gone with the buttons in this concept is: 1. This is based heavily off the existing Emersa boards so the existing code and front panel is built for buttons instead of a rotary knob 2. We have to redo the encoder for the knob which adds more time and cost 3. The knob also adds an extra illumination ring which will raise cost as well. With the same buttons on the right side, we are using the existing part we are using on the quadrant on the left which will help keep cost low. 4. The volume is controlled usually through a remote so it makes the need of the dial less important since form follows function. Also, no need for a mic input on the front of the unit since Dirac connects to your computer and the files are downloaded to your pre/pro via the network. wrinklemash This would have to be 4 HDMI in 2 HDMI out since that is what the Emersa uses and is already programmed and ready to go...hence keeping the cost down. We think that $999 is the key price point for this product to be successful. |
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Post by brubacca on Sept 23, 2016 9:01:11 GMT -5
Quick notes: We have a mock up with the dial as well. The reason why we have gone with the buttons in this concept is: 1. This is based heavily off the existing Emersa boards so the existing code and front panel is built for buttons instead of a rotary knob 2. We have to redo the encoder for the knob which adds more time and cost 3. The knob also adds an extra illumination ring which will raise cost as well. With the same buttons on the right side, we are using the existing part we are using on the quadrant on the left which will help keep cost low. Also, no need for a mic input on the front of the unit since Dirac connects to your computer and the files are downloaded to your pre/pro via the network. This would have to be 4 HDMI in 2 HDMI out since that is what the Emersa uses and is already programmed and ready to go...hence keeping the cost down. We think that $999 is the key price point for this product to be successful. All very interesting points. Really think 4 HDMI will limit appeal. That is really pushing it. You can fill that quick. 1- Cable/Satellite 2- Blue Ray 3- FireTV/Apple TV 4- Game System 5-  ? Nice to have a spare or more than one game system |
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Post by Hair Nick on Sept 23, 2016 9:05:31 GMT -5
Quick notes: We have a mock up with the dial as well. The reason why we have gone with the buttons in this concept is: 1. This is based heavily off the existing Emersa boards so the existing code and front panel is built for buttons instead of a rotary knob 2. We have to redo the encoder for the knob which adds more time and cost 3. The knob also adds an extra illumination ring which will raise cost as well. With the same buttons on the right side, we are using the existing part we are using on the quadrant on the left which will help keep cost low. Also, no need for a mic input on the front of the unit since Dirac connects to your computer and the files are downloaded to your pre/pro via the network. This would have to be 4 HDMI in 2 HDMI out since that is what the Emersa uses and is already programmed and ready to go...hence keeping the cost down. We think that $999 is the key price point for this product to be successful. All very interesting points. Really think 4 HDMI will limit appeal. That is really pushing it. You can fill that quick. 1- Cable/Satellite 2- Blue Ray 3- FireTV/Apple TV 4- Game System 5- ? Nice to have a spare or more than one game system Most sources double up on functionality (netflix/hulu/amazon/etc.) these days so the need for all those sources is less. If someone wants more they could use a splitter or step up to the XMC-1. |
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Post by garbulky on Sept 23, 2016 9:16:51 GMT -5
Quick notes: maseline98, We have a mock up with the dial as well. The reason why we have gone with the buttons in this concept is: 1. This is based heavily off the existing Emersa boards so the existing code and front panel is built for buttons instead of a rotary knob 2. We have to redo the encoder for the knob which adds more time and cost 3. The knob also adds an extra illumination ring which will raise cost as well. With the same buttons on the right side, we are using the existing part we are using on the quadrant on the left which will help keep cost low. 4. The volume is controlled usually through a remote so it makes the need of the dial less important since form follows function. Also, no need for a mic input on the front of the unit since Dirac connects to your computer and the files are downloaded to your pre/pro via the network. wrinklemash This would have to be 4 HDMI in 2 HDMI out since that is what the Emersa uses and is already programmed and ready to go...hence keeping the cost down. We think that $999 is the key price point for this product to be successful. You know I get it. Practically there is little difference as I rarely use the knobs on equipment. Well...I do a lot when I teach, but in home use. I digress. However, one of the reasons I am not attracted to either the UMC or the XMC-1 L is ....no knob. Sometimes you just got to have a knob.It just shows a more polished product imo. People see knobs and it looks familiar to them. You don't want them looking at something and not seeing anything they know how to use from the pictures. They see a knob - oh I adjsut the volume. At least I know how to do that. The up down button unless you are squinting at the pictures, you may nto know which button does what. The less confused a person is when browsing for a processor makes the knob more appealing for sales. I passed on the UMC-200 simply because I didn't see a knob. I am not familiar with processors and so I passed on it as it didn't jump out and seem easy to use. I look at the XMC-1 L and I see more UMC-200 rather than XMC-1. See what I'm saying. All it takes is the knob to make it more XMC-1. That's why Apple has a big single button on the iPhone. The user sees it and goes...oh I just press that button. They may not know what to do after that...but at least they know that big friendly and more importantly ONLY button there....that's the one I want to use. It's a design cue. Now I look at an Android phone and it doesn't have the same friendly design cue for unfamiliar users. It's got a few more buttons right by it that also look important. Hence the user (me) no longer knows what to do. So I don't want to be a knob here...but don't discount the knob for a few bucks difference! |
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Post by bolle on Sept 23, 2016 9:22:01 GMT -5
No knob needed - really. This is pure nostalgia imho.
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Post by geebo on Sept 23, 2016 9:30:47 GMT -5
No knob needed - really. This is pure nostalgia imho. Agreed. I haven't touched mine in months. |
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Post by vcautokid on Sept 23, 2016 9:38:24 GMT -5
I agree. The remote is how I fly the XMC-1 as well. We see allot of components relying mostly on the remote. But having front panel access is always nice. Having a tablet or phone app also broadens the appeal for functionality too.
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Post by Hair Nick on Sept 23, 2016 9:44:53 GMT -5
No knob needed - really. This is pure nostalgia imho. Agreed. I haven't touched mine in months.  |
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Post by geebo on Sept 23, 2016 9:47:41 GMT -5
Agreed. I haven't touched mine in months. The volume control, Nick. The volume control...  |
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Post by garbulky on Sept 23, 2016 9:57:36 GMT -5
There are pills for that geebo |
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Post by geebo on Sept 23, 2016 9:58:45 GMT -5
There are pills for that geeboVolume control pills? |
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Post by garbulky on Sept 23, 2016 9:59:13 GMT -5
There are pills for that geeboVolume control pills? No but they do come in emo blue!   |
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Post by repeetavx on Sept 23, 2016 10:06:17 GMT -5
I love it!
Use existing parts to create an affordable Pre/Pro with XMC-1 sound quality. I say build it, and it will sell.
As much as some people want/need some feature or other, sound quality is where it is at for your target buyer. Other products for other buyers.
Choice is GOOD!
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Post by GTPlus on Sept 23, 2016 10:15:57 GMT -5
Quick notes: maseline98 , We have a mock up with the dial as well. The reason why we have gone with the buttons in this concept is: 1. This is based heavily off the existing Emersa boards so the existing code and front panel is built for buttons instead of a rotary knob 2. We have to redo the encoder for the knob which adds more time and cost 3. The knob also adds an extra illumination ring which will raise cost as well. With the same buttons on the right side, we are using the existing part we are using on the quadrant on the left which will help keep cost low. 4. The volume is controlled usually through a remote so it makes the need of the dial less important since form follows function. Also, no need for a mic input on the front of the unit since Dirac connects to your computer and the files are downloaded to your pre/pro via the network. wrinklemash This would have to be 4 HDMI in 2 HDMI out since that is what the Emersa uses and is already programmed and ready to go...hence keeping the cost down. We think that $999 is the key price point for this product to be successful. So, if I understand correctly and to summarize, this would be a re-skin(larger 2RU) of an EMP-1 with balanced out and a tuner? |
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Post by brutiarti on Sept 23, 2016 10:16:54 GMT -5
Will this XMC-1L hurt the XMC-1 sales?
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Post by bolle on Sept 23, 2016 10:18:06 GMT -5
Will this XMC-1L hurt the XMC-1 sales? Is this our problem?  Also the XMC-1 is still a step up, will be Atmos capable etc. I definitely see a market for the XMC-1L. I rather see it cannibalizing the EMP-1. |
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Post by Hair Nick on Sept 23, 2016 10:22:17 GMT -5
Will this XMC-1L hurt the XMC-1 sales? Is this our problem? Also the XMC-1 is still a step up, will be Atmos capable etc. I definitely see a market for the XMC-1L. I rather see it cannibalizing the EMP-1. The Emersa gear has a lifestyle focus where the XMC-1L would match existing Emo gear and be rack mountable. |
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