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Post by kauai82 on Jan 12, 2017 12:47:12 GMT -5
I have luckily owned a Fusion 8100 for the last few years. Fantastic receiver for the price. Bought it for $560 on sale. List price at that time was $700. Beats the hell out of my Denon AVR-X3200 I bought on close out for $600. Had to use the Denon's pre outs to an Emo XPA-200 and a three channel Adcom amp that I got on eBay for $150 and it still does not sound as good as the 8100 ! I needed a 4K HDMI output so I knew that it would be a while till Emotiva got around to making a receiver so I got the Denon instead. Thinking about getting a MC700 to replace the Denon, but need to wait until it goes on sale. I know that labor costs have gone up in China in the last few years so the new replacement will need to have some fewer features than the 8100. If Emotiva gets rid of the 7.1 inputs on the new model and has only a 5.1 capability and loses the zone 2 and 3 option they should be able to hit the $600 or $650 price point I would think. That would put the receiver in the $500 to $525 price range when it goes on sale and that would be a great price point. I believe that they will do this in the next few years. As the word gets out on the MC700 and they can make larger production runs and get the cost down on the MC700 a receiver will follow. At least that is my hope. Matt
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Post by leefdalucky on Jan 12, 2017 14:42:14 GMT -5
With Emotiva's ultra slimline Emersa gear coming out soon, I'll agree it's a great time to think about a receiver.
I remember many (MANY) moons ago, I starting playing around with Panasonic's TI Tripath Class D line (think SAXR-45/57/59)..those eventually inspired the popular Pioneer SC line.
What sound those tiny Panny units had.
Just incredible for Dolby Digital DVDs/CDs/you-name-it.
The bottle neck was always those cumbersome Component Video Connects and legacy video inputs.
I wonder what Emotiva could come up with nowadays...
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Post by klinemj on Jan 12, 2017 17:45:38 GMT -5
I wouldn't want Emotiva to do an Audio/Video Receiver if they either had to sell it at a loss or at a non-competitively high price. I want Emotiva to stay in business so I can give it more of my money! :-) They are not a charity...I don't think you have to worry about them selling at a loss! And, if you want them to have your money, just call, ask for Mrs. Laufman, and given her access to your bank account. I am sure she would put the money to good use. (She's the financial brains there...Big Dan is the dreamer/schemer, and Lonnnie is the techie dude...) Mark |
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Post by Lance on Mar 20, 2017 20:01:47 GMT -5
There already is a BasX receiver - the TA-100! I would like to see a 100 watt version, or if only one receiver is offered, to up the power to 75 watts. I'm considering buying either the TA-100 or the PT-100 and the A-300. I just learned about Emotiva a couple of months ago. My problem with the TA-100 is I do not know how powerful it is. I had an old HK 50 Watt rms AVR (pre-hdmi) driving JBL Northridge series E30 6", 2 way bookshelf speakers and it could drive them OK. But sometimes I would get the volume turned up to almost max. I would like to have some head room and not over drive the amp. The HK was supposedly underrated power wise. I'm a first time buyer and I do not know if the TA-100 is strong or anemic, I do not know how much hype is going on. I have a pair of Polk Audio RTI A5 towers that I would like to pair with a nice amp. I would also like to see "main in, pre-out" on the receiver. The Yamaha R-S100 has main in/pre-out. This allows that receiver to be used as a power amp maybe for AVR front speaker duty.
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Post by novisnick on Mar 20, 2017 20:39:46 GMT -5
There already is a BasX receiver - the TA-100! I would like to see a 100 watt version, or if only one receiver is offered, to up the power to 75 watts. I'm considering buying either the TA-100 or the PT-100 and the A-300. I just learned about Emotiva a couple of months ago. My problem with the TA-100 is I do not know how powerful it is. I had an old HK 50 Watt rms AVR (pre-hdmi) driving JBL Northridge series E30 6", 2 way bookshelf speakers and it could drive them OK. But sometimes I would get the volume turned up to almost max. I would like to have some head room and not over drive the amp. The HK was supposedly underrated power wise. I'm a first time buyer and I do not know if the TA-100 is strong or anemic, I do not know how much hype is going on. I have a pair of Polk Audio RTI A5 towers that I would like to pair with a nice amp. I would also like to see "main in, pre-out" on the receiver. The Yamaha R-S100 has main in/pre-out. This allows that receiver to be used as a power amp maybe for AVR front speaker duty. Ive owned the TA-100 for many moths, I forget how long now but they passed the 30 day return period with flying colors! ive used it with and without external amps. The built in 50 wpc power does a very very good job with my KEF LS50's which dip below 4 ohms often. Very competent amp and I believe very under rated. I say, try it I really think you'll like it. Unless you are in a bery large room. Im not familiar with your speakers, are the efficient? |
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Post by teaman on Mar 20, 2017 20:46:53 GMT -5
Holy cripe Nick...spellcheck. A few moths? A bery large room?
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Post by Lance on Mar 20, 2017 21:31:21 GMT -5
Polk Audio RTI A5s are 8 Ohm, 90db efficient. They have two 6.5" mid/woofers and a 1 inch silk dome tweeter. They are fairly easy to drive. They do good with mid and upper bass and do need a sub by design. I tried to stay away from speakers like Cerwin Vegas towers with double 12 inch woofers! Instead of buying a monster amp to drive 12 inch woofers, I bought a sub!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 9:22:13 GMT -5
Just from my own curiosity, since this seems like a prime opportunity for some Shameless Market Research (sm):
What would you consider the minimum RMS power output that would be acceptable for a home theater receiver (assuming a high-quality amp of the type that Emotiva delivers)?
I'm not asking in any official capacity, just wondering for my own info.
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Post by mv on Mar 22, 2017 11:23:17 GMT -5
I would have to say somewhere around 70 watts of RMS power should be the norm. There are plenty of speakers that will sing with that amount of power (Klipsch,) yet there are plenty of mid-fi speakers that require that much to properly make music (Elac.) Plus 70-80 watts of emo power would give you the option of driving some fairly efficient towers as well. Just my opinion.
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Post by copperpipe on Mar 22, 2017 11:55:02 GMT -5
The marantz slimline starts at 50 watts, most people who just want "good sound" coming out of some speakers would be easily satisfied with 50 watts, all channels driven.
At a certain point people need to understand why Emotiva's stuff sounds better. 50 watts could get them started, and if they need more then there are the separates. You can't squeeze water out of a stone; so clean, high quality, high power sound will come at a price.
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Post by Gary Cook on Mar 22, 2017 15:29:28 GMT -5
Just from my own curiosity, since this seems like a prime opportunity for some Shameless Market Research (sm): What would you consider the minimum RMS power output that would be acceptable for a home theater receiver (assuming a high-quality amp of the type that Emotiva delivers)? I'm not asking in any official capacity, just wondering for my own info. Tricky question to answer Rory, not from an absolute Watts perspective but from the comparison angle. In general AVR's are marketed for power output with only one channel driven. I've had a few AVR's thus rated at around 100 watts, 90 watts,110 watts etc. The most powerful (and last AVR) I purchased was 120 watts, which was really around 90 watts with 5 (of the 7) channels driven. I never found it lacking in SPL, it went plenty loud, it just wasn't very clear/clean and it was slow. Plug it into an XPA power amp and at the same SPL the differences in clarity, quality and speed was huge. Way more than a simple 120 watts versus 200 watts (from an XPA-5) would indicate. My guess, allowing for Emotiva levels of sound quality and market expectations, would be around 75 watts all channels driven, which would be 100 watts or so in AVR marketing terms. That's the tricky bit. Cheers Gary |
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Post by teaman on Mar 22, 2017 16:16:51 GMT -5
Just from my own curiosity, since this seems like a prime opportunity for some Shameless Market Research (sm): What would you consider the minimum RMS power output that would be acceptable for a home theater receiver (assuming a high-quality amp of the type that Emotiva delivers)? I'm not asking in any official capacity, just wondering for my own info. I own four of the Sherbourn SR-120 receivers and to me that has more than ample power. 125 x 3 across the front and 75 x 4 across the surrounds. I think that would be perfect power for any new launch. To be honest comparing the Sherbourn PT-7020C4 paired with an XPA-2 powering my mains and an XPA-5 (both Gen 2) for the other five speakers I hear no difference whatsoever between that set up and my SR-120. In fact the SR-120 sounds a little louder at lower volume since the gain is 32db rather than 29db on the Emotiva amps Tim |
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Post by musichal on May 7, 2017 12:35:18 GMT -5
The receiver (or preamp, or integrated amp) that I'd like to see anyone make is a two-channel model which includes HDMI switching. I believe there are many enthusiasts who listen to movies/video in stereo, who aren't interested in all the surround modes. However, there is nothing I can find that combines this in one convenient, compact chassis (and it would be a spouse-friendly component). A bonus would be a large display on the unit which is readable across the room and a good GUI.
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Post by gus4emo on May 8, 2017 21:00:00 GMT -5
The receiver (or preamp, or integrated amp) that I'd like to see anyone make is a two-channel model which includes HDMI switching. I believe there are many enthusiasts who listen to movies/video in stereo, who aren't interested in all the surround modes. However, there is nothing I can find that combines this in one convenient, compact chassis (and it would be a spouse-friendly component). A bonus would be a large display on the unit which is readable across the room and a good GUI. Whatever happened to choosing stereo mode for yourself and maybe surround mode for your spouse? |
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Post by leonski on May 12, 2017 2:23:10 GMT -5
Stereo or HT?
A good stereo receiver beating the (target) OutLaw RR2150 would be cool, at maybe 3/4 the ask.
HT receivers are so....Temporary.....given how quickly things like connections and protocols change. If there were some stability in that market, I'd say go ahead
and make a good HT Receiver. But I Really think the edge goes to a PrePro and a good amp. Amp stays as PrePro gets 'upgraded'. Make any PrePro with upgrade in mind, too.
Either a port for computer upgrade or an easily replaceable upgrade board as 'things' change.
I don't see Any Need to include HDMI switching with a Stereo product. I connect HDMI from input to the TV. I use either optical or RCA from the TV receiver to the stereo. My unified remote (Logitech)
handles the switching for me, so I press TV-ON and the TV is turned on to the correct input. The small dish receeiver is turned on. The stereo PreAmp is turned on to the correct input.
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Post by vneal on May 12, 2017 7:47:31 GMT -5
100 watts
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Post by vcautokid on May 12, 2017 8:20:14 GMT -5
Hmmm. Interesting this. You could have a receiver. Why not??? That was my first foray into music and audio though later an integrated and tuner graced my listening room.
Today computers including my tablet and phone tune in my tunes so easily. Why only 30 favorite channels when you can have 1000s? What part of the world would you like to hear? Brazil, Japan, Thailand, Australia? With all this going on and more I discover so much more I never knew before. Also, I can simulcast any radio station too. Call letters dot com mostly. No antennas, no multipath, no anything. Now if you want a receiver still, you can do the above too, and still enjoy your FM AM with ease. It is about options.
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Post by leonski on May 12, 2017 12:41:37 GMT -5
The more I think about it, the more I conclude that FM is DEAD. Therefore a receiver is not needed. I'm changing my vote to NO.
BTW? the Outlaw I reference is over 100watts and puts out a good deal of power into 4 ohms.
But maybe change the target piece?
Something like the XSP-1 and the A300 in a single 'box'. That would be an attention getter.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 14:24:22 GMT -5
At the low end of the price spectrum, there's little point in trying to compete with Pioneer, Yamaha, Onkyo, Sony, and Harman. Those units are so stripped-down for their given feature set and power rating that if we made a product exactly like them, we couldn't be profitable, because we couldn't bring ourselves to build them marginally enough to compete.
The BasX MC-700 and the A-700 will fit into the same shelf space occupied by a top-end receiver or HT integrated amp, and you get the benefits of separates such as better isolation of signals and an upgrade path for your amplification or your decoding without replacing the other components. With the receiver approach, if a technology such as Atmos2 or HDR11 comes out, you don't need to chuck your amplifier too, just swap out the processor.
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Post by leonski on May 12, 2017 19:09:22 GMT -5
At the low end of the price spectrum, there's little point in trying to compete with Pioneer, Yamaha, Onkyo, Sony, and Harman. Those units are so stripped-down for their given feature set and power rating that if we made a product exactly like them, we couldn't be profitable, because we couldn't bring ourselves to build them marginally enough to compete. The BasX MC-700 and the A-700 will fit into the same shelf space occupied by a top-end receiver or HT integrated amp, and you get the benefits of separates such as better isolation of signals and an upgrade path for your amplification or your decoding without replacing the other components. With the receiver approach, if a technology such as Atmos2 or HDR11 comes out, you don't need to chuck your amplifier too, just swap out the processor. Where does Stereo fit into this? Many persons don't have the space or inclination for HT. I've been content with good stereo for a long time and feel that for any given budget, you're better off with a good stereo than HT. |
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