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Post by klinemj on Jan 11, 2017 7:33:54 GMT -5
I could see an Emersa receiver...that line is supposed to be the simple to use but high quality system for those who don't feel like having a complicated system. An all in one box, like a receiver, could appeal to them. May be more than $500, but might end up close.
Mark
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Post by MusicHead on Jan 11, 2017 7:36:56 GMT -5
Almost everyone that bought the 8100 receivers, whether they were Emotiva or Sherbourn seemed to enjoy those receivers as well. I think the Emotiva Fusion 8100 sold for less that $500. Tim I am still enjoying my Fusion 8100 :-) It is a hefty AVR for being only 4" tall and it provides sufficient power for my 17x13x8 room. In stereo is rated 2x110W. I got it for $450 (brand new) through Amazon, just before it was discontinued. The regular price used to be $699, I believe. I do not think $500 is a realistic price point for a new AVR similar to or better than the 8100. Just my two cents. |
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Post by jcisbig on Jan 11, 2017 11:30:08 GMT -5
At the very least, if profitability is what killed the Fusion, it may still be an excellent idea for Emo to provide a $700ish receiver option. A $700 receiver option may not help those on a tighter budget, but I can't help but think that it would be a nice option for the beginning audiophile to have. Or even someone with a 2nd media room that isn't wanting to go "all-out" in that space. It just seems to me like a $1200+ point of entry to get into Emotiva home theater is too high. Having something that is $700ish or lower must certainly bring a lot more customers to the table?
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Post by MusicHead on Jan 11, 2017 12:31:38 GMT -5
I'd love to see another receiver in Emotiva line. Something with a slim form factor like the 8100. The Emersa seems the perfect candidate, with the amps being Class-D. It could be expensive, though. On the other hand, Big Dan himself posted on this thread: emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/48485/which-brand-budget-receiver-chooseHe wrote: "So, here's a question.... Is there a market for a quality, great sounding, and affordable 7.1 receiver without Atmos/DTS-X from Emotiva? Or is that market looking for 5.1? Don't laugh... the vast majority of 7.1 receivers are used in 2.0, 2.1, 3.1 or 5.1 modes... not 7.1. Or is it all Atmos/DTS-x now? Not sure... Basically it would be BasX MC-700 with internal amplifiers... Would $799.00 be too much for 7.1?? $599.00 for 5.1? Just curious..." I know I might be in the minority, but I have neither the interest nor the space to go beyond 5.1, so a solid receiver in that class with decent PEQ and money spent on what makes a difference in sound quality (i.e.: pre, amp and power supply design) would be just fine for me. Soooooo... one way or another the good folks at Emotiva may still surprise us!! The Fusion 8100 was like a UMC-200 combined with a UPA-700 derated to 65W/ch down from 100W/ch. With the BasX and Emersa lines Emotiva has for sure all the "pieces" to cook up a new receiver, if it makes business sense. They got to make a living too :-) |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Jan 11, 2017 12:36:36 GMT -5
Believe me, I'm a huge proponent of offering an entire product line at all entry points where it's financially possible. I left my old company because it focused more and more on the high end. It had undisputed dominance over that high end, but it didn't have any lower priced entry points. In particular, it didn't have a desktop level system which could be deployed onto developers' desk for code development and testing. I believed fervently that ignoring this problem would put the company out of business and when they finally killed my skunkworks project to develop such a product I lefty the company. The "company" still "exists" under its old name, but is a shell of what it was after two bankruptcies and a fire sale to another company.
But, all of that said, the key phrase is "where it's financially possible". If I had proposed a $500 desktop workstation to my old company I should have been shot down. It wouldn't have been possible with the expected scale of product deliveries, parts costs, customer support, etc. I was proposing something closer to a $5,000 workstation (which would have barely covered our costs). Now I believed at the time that, while that was significantly higher than the cost of a comparable PC running Windows (because Linux was an even more horrible OS at that time), there was still a value proposition because the workstation would run the exact same OS as our incredibly high-end multi-million dollar servers and be able to run the same binaries, etc.
For whatever price point you want to deliver this Audio/Video Receiver (currently $500 is the stated target), you need to look at what competitors are offering in that space and decide if you can deliver a significantly better product profitably.
I remain sceptical but listening ...
Casey
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Post by Casey Leedom on Jan 11, 2017 12:45:16 GMT -5
Interesting quote from Dan MusicHead. I myself am also stuck in the position of not having the ability to go beyond 5.1 (or possibly 5.2) because I don't have the room. And certainly, as I mentioned before, I think a lot of people going "low entry point" are just going to throw up a Sound Bar with a cheap Subwoofer in the corner. Dan certainly know Emotiva's cost of doing business better than any of us. Maybe he does think that Emotiva could do a 5.1 $599 AVR profitably. Of course, even if that is possible, the projected low-entry point buyer would also need a Sound Bar and a Subwoofer so the cost would rise above that. But it would probably only be an 8" Subwoofer ... I have no idea how far down the cost of those could be driven ... Casey |
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Post by brutiarti on Jan 11, 2017 12:47:43 GMT -5
With cheap AVRs on the $200's i don't see Emotiva making money on a new receiver. If the basx line makes the brand more popular they might put an avr later on. On the other hand, they can use a cheap avr as marketing strategy to become even more popular, let's wait and see what big Dan and company will do.
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Post by Axis on Jan 11, 2017 13:00:31 GMT -5
With cheap AVRs on the $200's i don't see Emotiva making money on a new receiver. If the basx line makes the brand more popular they might put an avr later on. On the other hand, they can use a cheap avr as marketing strategy to become even more popular, let's wait and see what big Dan and company will do. Big Dan and Company are very likely to make an AVR that blows all the other AVR's away. Including those huge very expensive AVR's. You know the ones I am talking about. I think Big Dan has figured this is war and he is taking on the current Giants that think they can charge huge amounts of money for gear they think only they can make. What if someone comes along that can make gear that is just as good as and even better for less ? I already think those that spend too much for anything is a nut. I am hanging here basically because I love value ! Big time !  |
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Post by jcisbig on Jan 11, 2017 13:49:43 GMT -5
Maybe Emo should have a line of receivers to suit various price points or buyers. All I know is that when the Fusion 8100 was out, I couldn't think of any other receiver that I would have rather owned that was less than $1500. It was THAT good! The sound quality blew any thing else out of the water, having REAL power to drive things made all the difference, and the PEQ was an absolute game changer! An updated Fusion 8100 with 4k and Dirac capable would be SICK!
$500 Price Point:
5.1 receiver, Four 4k ins & 1 4k out, good sound quality, PEQ on the subwoofer channel, 50 watts/channel, limited bells and whistles
$700 Price Point:
7.1 receiver, Four or more 4k ins and 1 4k out, good sound quality, PEQ on all channels, 80-100 watts/channel, bluetooth, 7.1 pre-outs, zone outs, etc. (Basically a Fusion with 4k or an MC700 w/ amp)
$1000ish Price Point:
Some flavor of Atmos capable, Five+ 4k ins and 2 outs, Excellent sound quality, PEQ AND Dirac capable, 120? watts/channel, all the other bells/whistles
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Post by Axis on Jan 11, 2017 13:58:12 GMT -5
Maybe Emo should have a line of receivers to suit various price points or buyers. All I know is that when the Fusion 8100 was out, I couldn't think of any other receiver that I would have rather owned that was less than $1500. It was THAT good! The sound quality blew any thing else out of the water, having REAL power to drive things made all the difference, and the PEQ was an absolute game changer! An updated Fusion 8100 with 4k and Dirac capable would be SICK! $500 Price Point: 5.1 receiver, Four 4k ins & 1 4k out, good sound quality, PEQ on the subwoofer channel, 50 watts/channel, limited bells and whistles $700 Price Point: 7.1 receiver, Four or more 4k ins and 1 4k out, good sound quality, PEQ on all channels, 80-100 watts/channel, bluetooth, 7.1 pre-outs, zone outs, etc. (Basically a Fusion with 4k or an MC700 w/ amp) $1000ish Price Point: Some flavor of Atmos capable, Five+ 4k ins and 2 outs, Excellent sound quality, PEQ AND Dirac capable, 120? watts/channel, all the other bells/whistles Receivers have long charged to much for higher wattage. It has been a rip off for a good while now. |
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Post by jcisbig on Jan 11, 2017 14:01:03 GMT -5
Are you suggesting my price points were tied to the increase in wattage only? The focus was more on the extra features, with the added bonus of some more power along the way
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Post by Axis on Jan 11, 2017 14:08:10 GMT -5
Are you suggesting my price points were tied to the increase in wattage only? The focus was more on the extra features, with the added bonus of some more power along the way Slow down, Not suggesting anything about what you said. Just adding on. Do you know how to use the Quote function ? |
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Post by jcisbig on Jan 11, 2017 14:11:13 GMT -5
Are you suggesting my price points were tied to the increase in wattage only? The focus was more on the extra features, with the added bonus of some more power along the way Slow down, Not suggesting anything about what you said. Just adding on. Do you know how to use the Quote function ? I do, sorry, I was rushing around trying to get some other things done while still staying active in the thread! Wasn't upset at your post or anything, just seeking clarification! : ) |
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Post by Axis on Jan 11, 2017 14:13:02 GMT -5
Slow down, Not suggesting anything about what you said. Just adding on. Do you know how to use the Quote function ? I do, sorry, I was rushing around trying to get some other things done while still staying active in the thread! Wasn't upset at your post or anything, just seeking clarification! : ) You got it, sorry did not mean to take from your post.  |
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Post by vcautokid on Jan 11, 2017 14:13:23 GMT -5
I think anything is possible. I bet it can be done. I bet it is being talked about as we speak possibly. Just guessing though.
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 11, 2017 14:24:16 GMT -5
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Post by MusicHead on Jan 11, 2017 14:57:37 GMT -5
Thank you Bonzo, I did remember reading this, but for the life of me I could not remember in which thread. An Emersa AVR would be sweet (and thin, I hope ) |
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Post by cwt on Jan 12, 2017 5:43:31 GMT -5
Yes Bonzo ;voted no as a cut down emersa one with dirac [even as an option] would tempt a lot from the ubiquitous dolby atmos must have opposition [ leave that for upmarket components that can wedge in all the channels  There was a untitled jpeg of an emersa component when 1st announced ; looked a lot like a avr ;thinner than an xmc1 with the class d amps www.audioholics.com/amplifier-reviews/emotiva-emersa-audio-products/image |
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Post by vneal on Jan 12, 2017 8:28:53 GMT -5
They do need a receiver. Why would anyone not want them to offer one?
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Post by Casey Leedom on Jan 12, 2017 12:41:27 GMT -5
I wouldn't want Emotiva to do an Audio/Video Receiver if they either had to sell it at a loss or at a non-competitively high price. I want Emotiva to stay in business so I can give it more of my money! :-)
Casey
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