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Post by cgramer on Mar 13, 2017 12:36:05 GMT -5
Given a choice, for a 2.1-channel system, between a single higher-end sub like the Hsu ULS-15 MK2 or dual subs like the BasX S10 or S12, which would you choose, and why? I know about the benefits of dual subs (smoothing out room response, additional SPL, etc.), I'm just wondering which setup would be more impactful. I'd be pairing the sub (or subs) with Hsu HB-1 MK2 bookshelf speakers, powered by the Emo PT-100 and A-300. I should also note that this will be my first "real" sub, my only others having been computer-speaker subs, like the Altec-Lansing MX5021 package, so I'm new to the world of subs for music.
Thanks!
Chris
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Post by gus4emo on Mar 13, 2017 13:05:10 GMT -5
You already have hsu speakers, the sub will make it a killer system. ...
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Post by brutiarti on Mar 13, 2017 13:15:37 GMT -5
Given a choice, for a 2.1-channel system, between a single higher-end sub like the Hsu ULS-15 MK2 or dual subs like the BasX S10 or S12, which would you choose, and why? I know about the benefits of dual subs (smoothing out room response, additional SPL, etc.), I'm just wondering which setup would be more impactful. I'd be pairing the sub (or subs) with Hsu HB-1 MK2 bookshelf speakers, powered by the Emo PT-100 and A-300. I should also note that this will be my first "real" sub, my only others having been computer-speaker subs, like the Altec-Lansing MX5021 package, so I'm new to the world of subs for music. Thanks! Chris Something to consider is that the basx line of subs are ported. |
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Post by cgramer on Mar 13, 2017 13:17:26 GMT -5
You already have hsu speakers, the sub will make it a killer system. ... That's what I was thinking, but I don't actually have the Hsu speakers yet, either. Planning to get my whole system upgraded at once (see signature). :-) Thanks! |
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Post by cgramer on Mar 13, 2017 13:23:48 GMT -5
Something to consider is that the basx line of subs are ported. True. So maybe a better comparison would be to the Hsu VTF-3 MK5, which is also ported, or the SVS PB-2000. Basically, for about the same money as one of those ~$800 subs, I could get two BasX S12 subs, and want to know which option is going to sound better in general, and by that I mean provide more even bass, provide more impactful bass, etc. Thanks! Chris |
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Post by brutiarti on Mar 13, 2017 13:32:59 GMT -5
cgramer you need to make the decision if you want ported or sealed. It will depend on your listening habits (music/movies), room size, etc. In my case for 100% music and my small room i went for sealed. I tried the ported and it was to boomy. Hope that helps
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Post by cgramer on Mar 13, 2017 13:39:24 GMT -5
cgramer you need to make the decision if you want ported or sealed. It will depend on your listening habits (music/movies), room size, etc. In my case for 100% music and my small room i went for sealed. I tried the ported and it was to boomy. Hope that helps That's the same reason I was initially thinking sealed for the Hsu sub, as I mostly plan to use the new system for music (~60-70%), with a bit of TV/movies and video games thrown in. So again, my question is, do the advantages of having dual subs (such as the ported BasX S12) outweigh the musical advantages of a single sealed Hsu ULS-15 MK2 or SVS SB2000? Thanks! Chris |
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Post by brutiarti on Mar 13, 2017 13:42:21 GMT -5
cgramer, what size is your room? If you have a big room i will go with dual basx12. Two subs are better than one for sure.
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Post by cgramer on Mar 13, 2017 13:44:55 GMT -5
cgramer, what size is your room? If you have a big room i will go with dual basx12. Two subs are better than one for sure. TBH I haven't actually ever measured it, but I'd guess it's about 10-12 feet wide and about 22-24 feet long. The TV and speakers are set up in the middle of one of the short sides. It's below grade (a basement), if that makes a difference, with a carpeted cement floor. Thanks! I think we're getting somewhere. :-) Chris |
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Post by monkumonku on Mar 13, 2017 13:46:59 GMT -5
You already have hsu speakers, the sub will make it a killer system. ... That's what I was thinking, but I don't actually have the Hsu speakers yet, either. Planning to get my whole system upgraded at once (see signature). :-) Thanks! Kind of off topic but since you haven't purchased the speakers yet, have you considered getting their new bookshelf models, the CCB-8 instead of the HB-1 Mk2? I think if you have the room for them, and you play mostly music, get dual BasX subs. The Hsu will go deeper but you will smooth out room effects/nodes with dual subs and for music, they will do just fine. Smoothing out room effects should result in getting more well-defined bass notes. |
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Post by cgramer on Mar 13, 2017 13:51:47 GMT -5
Kind of off topic but since you haven't purchased the speakers yet, have you considered getting their new bookshelf models, the CCB-8 instead of the HB-1 Mk2? Thought about it, but I'm waiting to read some reviews. So far it seems the only "review" is a short one based on listening at their first public showing. Also, price is a factor, but if the reviews are fantastic, they're definitely in the running. Well-defined is what I'm after, plus a bit of that "chest punch" feel with kick drum. :-) I listen mainly to stuff like newer Steely Dan, Mark Knopfler, etc. Also some EDM, folk, jazz... A mix. Thanks much! Chris |
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Post by monkumonku on Mar 13, 2017 13:57:43 GMT -5
Kind of off topic but since you haven't purchased the speakers yet, have you considered getting their new bookshelf models, the CCB-8 instead of the HB-1 Mk2? Thought about it, but I'm waiting to read some reviews. So far it seems the only "review" is a short one based on listening at their first public showing. Also, price is a factor, but if the reviews are fantastic, they're definitely in the running. Well-defined is what I'm after, plus a bit of that "chest punch" feel with kick drum. :-) I listen mainly to stuff like newer Steely Dan, Mark Knopfler, etc. Also some EDM, folk, jazz... A mix. Thanks much! Chris I used to have the HB-1 Mk2's and think very highly of them. And I've been waiting for reviews of the new one, too! I've read a few positive comments - there is a thread at AVS that you should check out: www.avsforum.com/forum/89-speakers/2606225-official-hsu-research-speaker-owner-support-thread.htmlI also think very highly of Hsu subs but for a room your size plus the problems that often happen with trying to successfully locate a sub, I think getting the dual BasX's is the better option. |
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Post by foggy1956 on Mar 13, 2017 14:12:35 GMT -5
Something to consider is that the basx line of subs are ported. True. So maybe a better comparison would be to the Hsu VTF-3 MK5, which is also ported, or the SVS PB-2000. Basically, for about the same money as one of those ~$800 subs, I could get two BasX S12 subs, and want to know which option is going to sound better in general, and by that I mean provide more even bass, provide more impactful bass, etc. Thanks! Chris My 2 cents, two Basx and a mini dsp and rew |
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Post by copperpipe on Mar 13, 2017 14:16:12 GMT -5
For what it's worth... I used to be in the "won't touch ported speakers/subs with a 10 foot barge pole" camp. That is until I picked up my current bookshelfs and realized that ports, when done right, do not have to sound boomy... or "sound like anything" for that matter.
I have a basX sub 8, which is ported, and the last thing I would call this sub is "boomy". It's not extremely powerful, but it is clean and deep.
Nothing wrong with ported subs, if they are built right.
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Post by cgramer on Mar 13, 2017 14:18:05 GMT -5
My 2 cents, two Basx and a mini dsp and rew What's "REW"? For bass management with the PT-100/A-300, was planning to use Hsu's high pass filter box regardless of whether I go with a single Hsu sub or dual BasX S12s. Thanks! Chris |
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Post by foggy1956 on Mar 13, 2017 14:32:14 GMT -5
My 2 cents, two Basx and a mini dsp and rew What's "REW"? For bass management with the PT-100/A-300, was planning to use Hsu's high pass filter box regardless of whether I go with a single Hsu sub or dual BasX S12s. Thanks! Chris My bad, didn't see the optimizer portion of this thread. REW, room equaliztion wizard, is a software program for time aligniment of multiple subs as well as doing peq, not sure if or how it works with the hsu optimizer. |
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Post by cgramer on Mar 13, 2017 14:38:58 GMT -5
My bad, didn't see the optimizer portion of this thread. REW, room equaliztion wizard, is a software program for time aligniment of multiple subs as well as doing peq, not sure if or how it works with the hsu optimizer. I don't think I mentioned it actually, so not your bad. 🙂 The Hsu box I'm planning to use doesn't do any optimization or room correction, it's just a high pass filter box I'd put between the PT-100 and the A-300 so the amp and my mains don't need to work as hard. |
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Post by foggy1956 on Mar 13, 2017 14:44:27 GMT -5
My bad, didn't see the optimizer portion of this thread. REW, room equaliztion wizard, is a software program for time aligniment of multiple subs as well as doing peq, not sure if or how it works with the hsu optimizer. I don't think I mentioned it actually, so not your bad. 🙂 The Hsu box I'm planning to use doesn't do any optimization or room correction, it's just a high pass filter box I'd put between the PT-100 and the A-300 so the amp and my mains don't need to work as hard. Hopefully others with more knowledge will chime in, but i believe the mini-dsp may provide a better option than the optimizer |
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Post by maseline98 on Mar 13, 2017 14:47:39 GMT -5
To muddy your decision, you should check out the RSL Speedwoofer 10S($399). The reviews are raving over these.
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Post by pknaz on Mar 13, 2017 15:40:09 GMT -5
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