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Post by pknaz on Mar 13, 2017 15:42:17 GMT -5
For what it's worth... I used to be in the "won't touch ported speakers/subs with a 10 foot barge pole" camp. That is until I picked up my current bookshelfs and realized that ports, when done right, do not have to sound boomy... or "sound like anything" for that matter. I have a basX sub 8, which is ported, and the last thing I would call this sub is "boomy". It's not extremely powerful, but it is clean and deep. Nothing wrong with ported subs, if they are built right. I think that has a lot to do with Rory having a hand in the design, he's a very capable designer  |
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Post by repeetavx on Mar 13, 2017 16:14:00 GMT -5
Well the PT-100 has stereo subs out. If you have the room, and the correct placement setup, that would be killer. If not, I would vote for the single.
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Post by KeithL on Mar 13, 2017 17:00:31 GMT -5
Nope... sorry... The PT-100 and the TA-100 have dual sub outputs... but they're mono summed outputs. Well the PT-100 has stereo subs out. If you have the room, and the correct placement setup, that would be killer. If not, I would vote for the single. |
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Post by vcautokid on Mar 13, 2017 18:35:29 GMT -5
Well, not so fast. Dual Subwoofers are very cool as far as helping out in those special rooms that are Null, and Node Happy. I am running one now, and sometimes I think 2 would have been better. But you can be happy with 1 Subwoofer. Many are, and never give another thought. Of course, your mileage may vary.
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Post by deltadube on Mar 13, 2017 19:30:42 GMT -5
Well, not so fast. Dual Subwoofers are very cool as far as helping out in those special rooms that are Null, and Node Happy. I am running one now, and sometimes I think 2 would have been better. But you can be happy with 1 Subwoofer. Many are, and never give another thought. Of course, your mileage may vary. come on now lol.. i picked none of the above choices.. you need quad subs... 15 or 18 inch size with a 1000 watts of power sealed is my choice |
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Post by gus4emo on Mar 13, 2017 19:51:31 GMT -5
You already have hsu speakers, the sub will make it a killer system. ... That's what I was thinking, but I don't actually have the Hsu speakers yet, either. Planning to get my whole system upgraded at once (see signature). :-) Thanks! I have the vtf15 mk2, which you can run sealed or ported, I have it running with one port plugged for movies only, it's a monster, for music I'm running an Outlaw 12 incher with one port plugged, also a killer.... |
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Post by cgramer on Mar 13, 2017 20:02:03 GMT -5
come on now lol.. i picked none of the above choices.. you need quad subs... 15 or 18 inch size with a 1000 watts of power sealed is my choice Haha... OK fine, I'll just get a Paradigm SUB 1 for each corner of my room and call it a day. 😉 |
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Post by Boomzilla on Mar 13, 2017 20:22:36 GMT -5
My experience, for what it's worth, is that more subs = smoother room response. Yes, a single behemoth might go lower - and if you're a foam at the mouth pipe organ freak (or car stereo freak), then yes - the single may be your better choice. But fewer than 1% of the recordings on the market go that low, and for the majority of music, multiple subs offer multiple advantages - to wit:
1. Since each sub needs less cone excursion (to produce the same SPL), distortion is significantly reduced
2. Since each sub interacts with the room differently, there's less likelihood of standing wave issues that are grossly obvious
3. The dual subs need not be in different parts of the room. I stack mine vertically and it seems just as effective in smoothing out the response.
4. Since each sub is driven less hard, the sub plate amps aren't as stressed (resulting in less distortion, cooler operation, and longer life - at least, theoretically)
So that's why I voted for the multiple subs over the single one.
Cordially - Boom
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Post by vcautokid on Mar 13, 2017 20:26:03 GMT -5
Well, not so fast. Dual Subwoofers are very cool as far as helping out in those special rooms that are Null, and Node Happy. I am running one now, and sometimes I think 2 would have been better. But you can be happy with 1 Subwoofer. Many are, and never give another thought. Of course, your mileage may vary. come on now lol.. i picked none of the above choices.. you need quad subs... 15 or 18 inch size with a 1000 watts of power sealed is my choice Very cool for you D. Glad it works out. I guess you missed the your mileage may vary. Some may have constraints on size, budget, wife acceptance factor, and room considerations. Not one solution is great for everyone. But hey, there are more than one way to get bass the way you want. Options, is it bitchin' how we can make our listening rooms our own? Enjoy D. and keep the music and movies playing. |
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Post by brutiarti on Mar 13, 2017 20:43:46 GMT -5
The basx s12 are big, do some measurements you might be good with the s10's.
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Post by pknaz on Mar 13, 2017 21:46:56 GMT -5
Well, not so fast. Dual Subwoofers are very cool as far as helping out in those special rooms that are Null, and Node Happy. I am running one now, and sometimes I think 2 would have been better. But you can be happy with 1 Subwoofer. Many are, and never give another thought. Of course, your mileage may vary. come on now lol.. i picked none of the above choices.. you need quad subs... 15 or 18 inch size with a 1000 watts of power sealed is my choice That's what I did |
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Post by brians7 on Mar 13, 2017 22:11:30 GMT -5
I would go with the Airmotiv S10 then add another later. I like subs with a passive radiator the best of both worlds.
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Post by garbulky on Mar 13, 2017 23:04:28 GMT -5
Well I've been toying with this idea - two emotiva 8's. Just to add an extra woofer to my towers basically in a compact space. But tell the truth, I'm not sure it's the best match for my speakers which are powered by some hefty amplification (XPA-1 pair).
However I don't listen at very high volumes and the bass reinforcement needed is not a whole lot - but it would be audible.
I may have to jump up to a 10 inch pair of subs. I'm not sure yet.
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Post by vcautokid on Mar 14, 2017 7:31:35 GMT -5
I think I agree with the 10 inch Garbulky. More dynamics and a bit more extension.
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Post by Boomzilla on Mar 14, 2017 8:27:46 GMT -5
garbulky, I think you need a pair of 15" subs! LOL
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 8:33:37 GMT -5
HSU makes a killer sub, and I've always admired their offerings, so this is a tough choice.
The ULS-15 probably will not outgun a pair of BasX S12, even though its driver does have more displacement, because it is a sealed system. I have a friend with the ULS-15 first-generation unit, which had an XBL^2 driver (a variation on an underhung motor design) and it is a very clean sub. I would love to sell you on the Emotiva product but I myself would have a hard time with the decision, because the ULS-15 has some extra features that the BasX line doesn't (in order to keep cost down), including adjustable Q (good for room integration) and a driver that has very long excursion, a cast frame, and shorting rings. It may be the better sub for musical applications by a slim margin.
If our Airmotiv S15 were available (it's coming soon; just waiting for new linear-hybrid Class D amplifier parts to arrive - long story) then I'd steer you in that direction instead of the HSU, because it has about the same amplifier power and uses passive radiator loading which is tuned to provide a compromise between sealed and vented 'sound' through an overdamped enclosure alignment.
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Post by abd1 on Mar 14, 2017 10:54:56 GMT -5
Since you're primarily using your system for music I would go with quality over quantity and get 1 great sub. I'm not trying to knock the Emo subs, I'm sure they are a great value, but these are their entry level line for a reason. I think their output for price ratio is fantastic, but I'm guessing that the sound quality you get from the HSU or something like a Rythmik sub will blow away the BasX subs for music. Granted 2 subs will smooth response but I am speaking from experience here since I recently swithced from a sub with dual 12" drivers that was "good" and a "good value" to a single 12" Rythmik and the difference was astounding in terms of sound quality and output. I was keeping my dual 12" sub to add as a second sub but I nixed that idea since it would degrade the sound quality I'm getting. My advice would be to get the HSU VTF3-MK5 currently on sale for $779. Might be the last sub you ever need. If you need more in your room save up and get another later, but chances are you won't have to.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 11:33:16 GMT -5
Since you're primarily using your system for music I would go with quality over quantity and get 1 great sub. I'm not trying to knock the Emo subs, I'm sure they are a great value, but these are their entry level line for a reason. I think their output for price ratio is fantastic, but I'm guessing that the sound quality you get from the HSU or something like a Rythmik sub will blow away the BasX subs for music. Granted 2 subs will smooth response but I am speaking from experience here since I recently swithced from a sub with dual 12" drivers that was "good" and a "good value" to a single 12" Rythmik and the difference was astounding in terms of sound quality and output. I was keeping my dual 12" sub to add as a second sub but I nixed that idea since it would degrade the sound quality I'm getting. My advice would be to get the HSU VTF3-MK5 currently on sale for $779. Might be the last sub you ever need. If you need more in your room save up and get another later, but chances are you won't have to. Are you basing your opinion on having heard/owned a BasX S12, or a review? The S12 is more than just a "value" sub - if you want that, there are cheaper subs out there that make bass, though not as well as the BasX. The BasX subs are our lower priced line, yes, but that does not mean they are a slouch in any sense, whether for music or home theater. They have real continuous power ratings (not 'peak'), and good robust drivers/cabinets. They are an honest product where the money has been spent on the driver, cabinet, and amp, not on finishes or bits and bobs. And this is not a reversal of my earlier position. |
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Post by goozoo on Mar 14, 2017 14:34:22 GMT -5
The decision is not an easy one for several reasons. In looking at all the posts and your response, it sounds like you will mainly be using the sub for music and the occasional movie or TV. As such, room pressurization, smoothed out bass response, etc, etc, is not really the goal. With music, you are looking to augment the low end of the smaller speakers for a 2.1 system. Bear is mind that HSU makes two types of speakers; horn loaded and bass reflex. The bass reflex will give you a much more open sound and better mid-bass versus the horns; which are very location dependent (read location sensitive). The sub then would be used to blend in at a given crossover (AVR or miniDSP). For music, a faster sub is desirable and sealed will give you much better (lower) in room response below the rated specs versus ported. As to your original question, I hope you are seeing that for music, dual (multiple) subs are rarely used; unless you're in a live venue. Rather, a good quality sub that fits within your budget placed accordingly will yield much more accurate results. In addition to the BasX line that you are looking at, you may want to consider Rythmik Audio and their F12 line. It's in the same price range but far tighter and more accurate; while still serving its' purpose for HT use.
HT is another animal entirely and in that scenario, multiple subs are not just good, but a requirement. Once again, you have to be honest with yourself and see what you do most and cater to that. Good luck and happy listening.
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Post by abd1 on Mar 14, 2017 15:26:44 GMT -5
Since you're primarily using your system for music I would go with quality over quantity and get 1 great sub. I'm not trying to knock the Emo subs, I'm sure they are a great value, but these are their entry level line for a reason. I think their output for price ratio is fantastic, but I'm guessing that the sound quality you get from the HSU or something like a Rythmik sub will blow away the BasX subs for music. Granted 2 subs will smooth response but I am speaking from experience here since I recently swithced from a sub with dual 12" drivers that was "good" and a "good value" to a single 12" Rythmik and the difference was astounding in terms of sound quality and output. I was keeping my dual 12" sub to add as a second sub but I nixed that idea since it would degrade the sound quality I'm getting. My advice would be to get the HSU VTF3-MK5 currently on sale for $779. Might be the last sub you ever need. If you need more in your room save up and get another later, but chances are you won't have to. Are you basing your opinion on having heard/owned a BasX S12, or a review? The S12 is more than just a "value" sub - if you want that, there are cheaper subs out there that make bass, though not as well as the BasX. The BasX subs are our lower priced line, yes, but that does not mean they are a slouch in any sense, whether for music or home theater. They have real continuous power ratings (not 'peak'), and good robust drivers/cabinets. They are an honest product where the money has been spent on the driver, cabinet, and amp, not on finishes or bits and bobs. And this is not a reversal of my earlier position. I will freely admit I have not heard the BasX subs, and I thought I mentioned that in my post, but I guess I did not. I in no way meant this as a slight to these subs. I'm a huge fan of Emo products and I'm sure these are great. My main point was that in a primarily musical application I would go for 1 sub that's the best I could get than 2 subs. If the BasX 12" sub is as good as the HSU or other models than I'd get 1 BasX 12 over 2 8's, but that's just my opinion. |
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