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Post by monkumonku on Mar 24, 2017 15:49:12 GMT -5
Looks quite imposing. His explanation about speaker cone mass seems to make sense but then I wonder if that is based on the laws of physics, then why haven't other speaker manufacturers done something about this, in particular those who make subwoofers? I can't see that this guy discovered some new law of physics, or that there wasn't already technology available to do what he says he did. |
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Post by snacker on Mar 24, 2017 21:50:42 GMT -5
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Post by brutiarti on Mar 24, 2017 23:10:44 GMT -5
Oh man, talking about communication before a product release. This guy puts new products every day. Good for him |
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Post by gld3gld3 on Mar 25, 2017 8:04:01 GMT -5
Wow! He's got so many new products coming out...New Enzos, Electrons, Uruz, the PMD series...
I just wish his website would communicate the unique sound qualities of these different releases. I am intrigued by the Electrons, as they would fit in my space better. I bet if i called Erick up he would explain some of the sound differences between all of these new models.
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Post by brubacca on Mar 25, 2017 8:21:14 GMT -5
There was some discuussion here when the patent came out. I seem to remember the consensus was that it really wasn't earth shattering and was something simple. In typical patent speak it was worded up to sound good.
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Post by Dan Laufman on Mar 25, 2017 9:24:01 GMT -5
I read the patent and my head was spinning... And I've reviewed a lot of patents... It's written unlike any patent I've ever seen. Not really sure what the claim is from a scientific standpoint, but hey, what do I know? I'll ask Rory to translate if for me.
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Post by pedrocols on Mar 25, 2017 12:58:38 GMT -5
I have never listened to any of his speakers. However, all these different speaker models and claims and patents etc., etc. is so overwhelming when all I want to do is listen to music...I think he is getting a little carried away. Just saying.
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Post by Boomzilla on Mar 25, 2017 16:14:04 GMT -5
FWIW, I agree totally with Big Dan. I read that patent and even though I'm fluent in English and at least literal in legalese, nothing there made any sense at all to me. Maybe the patent office is in a state that allows legal mary-jay-wanna use? But the proof isn't in the patent - it's in the listening. Someone recently compared their Tekton speakers with a flock of others costing 10x the price, and found that the Tektons held their own. I would agree with that too. Whatever Rory does with his designs (I'm suspecting some ritual involving midsummer nights and virgins), it seems to work. Now that said, the world is catching up with Tekton at an alarming rate. Andrew Jones' designs bring some major audio-smack-down for a McAudio price from what I read. Other brands are also introducing new cost-effective designs that seem to sound far better than anything previously at their price range. I'm sorry to say that I've not heard any of the new Emotiva speakers yet (hint, hint...), but I'd sure like to. Cheers - Boomzilla  |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Mar 29, 2017 17:58:08 GMT -5
Hhmmm, in a recent Home Theater Review of these speakers, the designer Eric Alexander's response to the interviewer on what makes these speakers special is complete gobbldy-gook: But, at $3,000/pair (including shipping), if you like the result, it's hard to argue with the value. Especially with a low-end extension of 20Hz. So if you like them, just ignore the New Age Insanity language and enjoy them. Casey |
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Post by repeetavx on Mar 30, 2017 9:08:17 GMT -5
Wow, that describes exactly what I've been missing in listening to recorded music. I just doubt that the missing meat can be recovered by just "beefing" up the speakers. Maybe you would need something like MQA too  |
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Post by monkumonku on Mar 30, 2017 9:10:56 GMT -5
Wow, that describes exactly what I've been missing in listening to recorded music. I just doubt that the missing meat can be recovered by just "beefing" up the speakers. Maybe you would need something like MQA too Not only MQA but I think having a THX system while listening in a state of quadrophenia helps, too. |
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Post by pedrocols on Mar 30, 2017 9:11:54 GMT -5
I personally think all speakers are overpriced. YMMV.
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Post by brutiarti on Mar 30, 2017 9:30:43 GMT -5
Now you can get the Tekton PMD versions for 40K, 20K and 10K.
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Post by pedrocols on Mar 30, 2017 9:34:47 GMT -5
Now you can get the Tekton PMD versions for 40K, 20K and 10K. Nice what a bargain! Sarcasm meter off the charts...😁 |
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Post by garbulky on Mar 30, 2017 9:47:18 GMT -5
I personally think all speakers are overpriced. YMMV. I feel like they are. Maybe it's due to lack of demand and therefore it's hard to mass produce them to gain economy of scale but I am stunned that speakers cost as much as they do. |
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Post by Boomzilla on Mar 31, 2017 4:36:31 GMT -5
I think that economy loudspeakers, in general, are MUCH better than they used to be. Back in the '70s, designers used to put speakers together (most with off-the-shelf drivers & crossovers from a large manufacturer), and charge what they thought the market would bear.
Now, computer design is doing for speakers what it did for camera lenses in the '70s. Prior to that time, lenses were designed by companies using their "best guess" as to what would work. Leica, Hasselblad, and Nikon ruled the lens world. But then computer design & optimization came along, and with it companies such as Vivitar & Soligar who challenged the former "best in the world" for quality and at less than half the price. The rest is history.
I think a similar revolution is occurring in the world of economy electronics (Emotiva's BASX line, for example) and in speakers. The entry level speaker you're able to buy today rivals flagship models from only a decade ago. DIY designs also offer world-class performance at even lower prices.
Despite the loss of brick-and-mortar stores, now IS the golden age of audio!
Boomzilla
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Post by klinemj on Mar 31, 2017 19:53:19 GMT -5
I read the patent and my head was spinning... And I've reviewed a lot of patents... It's written unlike any patent I've ever seen. Not really sure what the claim is from a scientific standpoint, but hey, what do I know? I'll ask Rory to translate if for me. As one fairly skilled in IP (>100 granted patents, a few hundred more pending, having been an expert witness, having helped formulated and supported numerous cases for litigation, and having taught IP skills to inventors and managers for years), I see an interesting patent with good intent and likely something good behind it...yet, tough to enforce and defend. In my opinion (non-legal, non-binding), I see it quite weak on enablement, quite weak on differentiation vs. prior art, and quite weak on how to define the comparative measure used in the claims (mass of the moving component of the driver relative to that of the moving part of the instrument). Said another way, if I were in the business of making speakers and worrying about infringement of others' patents...this is one I would not worry much about. That said, I would love to hear the speakers. Mark |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 19:58:04 GMT -5
The Pendragons arrived yesterday. I thought it was weird only being two boxes. I figured the grills must be with the speakers in the boxes. I was wrong. When I talked to Eric placing the order I told him the grills are a must. I have two cats and the speakers must be protected. If the grill were not available when the speakers were ready to hold the order so all could be shipped at the same time. He didn't follow my instructions. I sent a message asking when will the grills be ready? I've not heard back yet. I hope I don't have to wait weeks or months as some had to endure.
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Post by Boomzilla on Apr 7, 2017 6:07:51 GMT -5
My grills came within a week of the speakers. Tekton, apparently, produces the grills in batches for efficiency. Based on the frequency of doing a "grill batch," your grills may be done sooner or later. As to them not shipping your speakers until your grills are ready, I doubt that they have the storage space to have a bunch of speakers stored. I agree that from the consumer's point of view, having speakers and grills arrive in different shipments is inconvenient (maybe to the point of irritating), but that's how Tekton does it.
As for "cat protection," I'm not certain that the grills are that sturdy. In fact, I'd think that the speakers (with grills) may become more of a cat magnet than the speakers without. The grill cloth texture will probably encourage claw-sharpening. The grills are held on by four plastic plugs that probably won't hold the weight of a cat.
I don't have children or cats in my home. If I did, I'd probably make my own grills out of some perforated metal plate. But perhaps I'm being pessimistic and the factory grills will work fine. For your sake, Warped Mind, I hope so. Best of luck!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2017 8:22:07 GMT -5
My grills came within a week of the speakers. Tekton, apparently, produces the grills in batches for efficiency. Based on the frequency of doing a "grill batch," your grills may be done sooner or later. As to them not shipping your speakers until your grills are ready, I doubt that they have the storage space to have a bunch of speakers stored. I agree that from the consumer's point of view, having speakers and grills arrive in different shipments is inconvenient (maybe to the point of irritating), but that's how Tekton does it. As for "cat protection," I'm not certain that the grills are that sturdy. In fact, I'd think that the speakers (with grills) may become more of a cat magnet than the speakers without. The grill cloth texture will probably encourage claw-sharpening. The grills are held on by four plastic plugs that probably won't hold the weight of a cat. I don't have children or cats in my home. If I did, I'd probably make my own grills out of some perforated metal plate. But perhaps I'm being pessimistic and the factory grills will work fine. For your sake, Warped Mind, I hope so. Best of luck! I put tin foil over the grills and remove them for each listening session. Cats hate tin foil and the best cat protector that is cheap. Sure the grills look ugly with the silver foil over them. But I don't care if it keeps the cats from using it as a stretching device. I wish I would have done this when I first got my Klipsch RF-II speakers. They didn't mess with the RF-82s so I didn't protect the RF-7 grills. I noticed several weeks later some nips in the material and it was higher up than than their normal height. The same as when I see them stretching on the wall. I've been using tin foil on them ever since. |
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