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Post by snacker on Apr 26, 2017 3:41:44 GMT -5
I love my pendragons but I know I need to downsize or get some kind of room treatments. I sit about 8 feet back from them and I know I need another 5 feet at least.
They are the most full range speakers I've ever heard.
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Post by foggy1956 on Apr 26, 2017 3:59:26 GMT -5
I love my pendragons but I know I need to downsize or get some kind of room treatments. I sit about 8 feet back from them and I know I need another 5 feet at least. They are the most full range speakers I've ever heard. When I bought my speakers Eric talked me out of the dragons and into the enzos due to the size of my room (16×20×8). |
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Post by pipeman on Apr 26, 2017 10:00:43 GMT -5
Lots of folks here have tektons, but I don't recall anyone with the new double impacts here yet. Most have the pendragons. Mark I have the Double Impact and the matching Double Impact center channel (not on their website yet) I sold my Pendragons and the matching Pendragon center after trying the DI in my home. The nay sayers and those asking how they measure really crack me up, either demo a pair or don't but please spare us of how you think they sound when you have never heard a pair. |
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Post by Mark on Apr 26, 2017 10:07:54 GMT -5
I love my pendragons but I know I need to downsize or get some kind of room treatments. I sit about 8 feet back from them and I know I need another 5 feet at least. They are the most full range speakers I've ever heard. I purchased some Roxul Safe n Sound from a local store then built a fake front wall about 6" out of the existing wall . I put the Roxul in the stud openings and stacked Roxul in each of the front corners with 16" x 16" squares floor to ceiling. I covered it with some fabric from Joann Fabrics. Total cost was $150 for the wood, roxul and fabric. It did a great job of deadening the front of the room while still leaving the back of the room live. |
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Post by snacker on Apr 26, 2017 12:50:40 GMT -5
I love my pendragons but I know I need to downsize or get some kind of room treatments. I sit about 8 feet back from them and I know I need another 5 feet at least. They are the most full range speakers I've ever heard. When I bought my speakers Eric talked me out of the dragons and into the enzos due to the size of my room (16×20×8). I bought them local previously enjoyed so I didnt have input from Eric. I knew they were to big but for the price and out of curiosity I went for it. I imagine something lore sized would be more of a fit for my space. |
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Post by Percussionista on Apr 26, 2017 14:19:35 GMT -5
I love my pendragons but I know I need to downsize or get some kind of room treatments. I sit about 8 feet back from them and I know I need another 5 feet at least. They are the most full range speakers I've ever heard. When I bought my speakers Eric talked me out of the dragons and into the enzos due to the size of my room (16×20×8). With a room of my own that is in the same ballpark, say 15x23x9, I would be disappointed if something like the dragons wouldn't work. I have Vandersteen 3A Signatures, which are (inches) 10x16x48 and have a great sound stage; they're 8 feet apart (center to center) and about 8.5 feet to my ear, about 3 feet from the back wall, toed in some. They are also about 19 years old now and am considering replacing for the next long period, and was thinking about the dragons as a possible (as well as the new unreleased Emo T2's, though available in any color as long as you like black). I see the Enzos are also more in the medium tower size and get great reviews. |
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Post by pedrocols on Apr 26, 2017 14:28:25 GMT -5
I love my pendragons but I know I need to downsize or get some kind of room treatments. I sit about 8 feet back from them and I know I need another 5 feet at least. They are the most full range speakers I've ever heard. So you need to sit 13 feet away? If I try to do that I will end up at my neighbor's livingroom. Why you need to sit so far? |
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Post by foggy1956 on Apr 26, 2017 15:34:05 GMT -5
When I bought my speakers Eric talked me out of the dragons and into the enzos due to the size of my room (16×20×8). With a room of my own that is in the same ballpark, say 15x23x9, I would be disappointed if something like the dragons wouldn't work. I have Vandersteen 3A Signatures, which are (inches) 10x16x48 and have a great sound stage; they're 8 feet apart (center to center) and about 8.5 feet to my ear, about 3 feet from the back wall, toed in some. They are also about 19 years old now and am considering replacing for the next long period, and was thinking about the dragons as a possible (as well as the new unreleased Emo T2's, though available in any color as long as you like black). I see the Enzos are also more in the medium tower size and get great reviews. Thoughts wanted, can larger speakers sonically overwhelm a room before achieving a spl at which they thrive? |
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Post by novisnick on Apr 26, 2017 16:01:59 GMT -5
With a room of my own that is in the same ballpark, say 15x23x9, I would be disappointed if something like the dragons wouldn't work. I have Vandersteen 3A Signatures, which are (inches) 10x16x48 and have a great sound stage; they're 8 feet apart (center to center) and about 8.5 feet to my ear, about 3 feet from the back wall, toed in some. They are also about 19 years old now and am considering replacing for the next long period, and was thinking about the dragons as a possible (as well as the new unreleased Emo T2's, though available in any color as long as you like black). I see the Enzos are also more in the medium tower size and get great reviews. Thoughts wanted, can larger speakers sonically overwhelm a room before achieving a spl at which they thrive? Yes, I think a speaker can be too big for a room for it to achieve its proper sound and ability.  |
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Post by Percussionista on Apr 26, 2017 16:46:37 GMT -5
Thoughts wanted, can larger speakers sonically overwhelm a room before achieving a spl at which they thrive? Yes, I think a speaker can be too big for a room for it to achieve its proper sound and ability. Ok.... how would you describe a speaker's "proper sound and ability" regarding the potential to "overwhelm" a room? I don't want to play stuff at rock concert levels (well, I'm assuming, I haven't been to one since college ;-)) A 10th row center seat at an orchestra concert with highly dynamic music can reach big decibels, but hopefully only briefly. Some movie theaters play too loudly (IMHO) but some scenes do require more punch (blow-uppies, SCI-FI battles, etc.) I don't listen to movies/TV really loudly at home, I usually set the volume relative to the center channel dialog track, but at a clear mezzo-forte at least ;-). For a full dynamic orchestra presentation at home I want to get a good sense of size and space for the orchestra, but I don't want my ears to hurt (except for the most briefest tutti moments maybe) - one needs to be able to present a large dynamic range between quiet and loud in order to imitate realism, with all its subtlety and power. |
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Post by pedrocols on Apr 26, 2017 17:05:11 GMT -5
Personally I think trying to replicate a live orchestra at home is so lame. I know it will never happen! When listening to music at home I do not have the need to listen louder than 80 decibels.
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Post by Percussionista on Apr 26, 2017 17:11:46 GMT -5
Yes, I think a speaker can be too big for a room for it to achieve its proper sound and ability. So... 2nd thoughts... are you saying that a speaker sounds best when it can push a certain (non-minimum) amount of air (so to speak), as that may be it's sweet spot for accuracy and realism? Hence, a large speaker (actually large components inside) will get to full listening db before this point so it won't sound as good as it would in a larger room where it has to pump a little harder? Whereas, flip side, a smaller speaker (smaller components) will have to work harder (push more air) to get to that normal listening db level where it shines best? I wonder if there has been some actual listening tests, expert or anecdotal, on this. I believe from discussions of subwoofers that the "opposite" seems to be suggested - get two instead of one and they don't have to work as hard to get the same db's (as well as smooth out room response); of course, SW's operate only in a limited audio band, outside of where most of the main sound is. |
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Post by Percussionista on Apr 26, 2017 17:16:42 GMT -5
Personally I think trying to replicate a live orchestra at home is so lame. I know it will never happen! When listening to music at home I do not have the need to listen louder than 80 decibels. Yes, I tried not to state it that way. I would "simply" like to have a sense of a full orchestra, in a hall setting. Decibel levels will differ, and I suspect the realism will suffer to the extent that I can't realistically reproduce the dynamic range of a performance. Although I could undoubtedly hit the db level, the result would be excruciatingly bad. Comparably, I have found that a key aspect to having computer generated music sound "realistic" (with good instrument samples, etc.) is in fact the ability to generate a wide dynamic range. It really makes a big difference. |
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Post by novisnick on Apr 26, 2017 17:26:02 GMT -5
So... 2nd thoughts... are you saying that a speaker sounds best when it can push a certain (non-minimum) amount of air (so to speak), as that may be it's sweet spot for accuracy and realism? Hence, a large speaker (actually large components inside) will get to full listening db before this point so it won't sound as good as it would in a larger room where it has to pump a little harder? Whereas, flip side, a smaller speaker (smaller components) will have to work harder (push more air) to get to that normal listening db level where it shines best? I wonder if there has been some actual listening tests, expert or anecdotal, on this. I believe from discussions of subwoofers that the "opposite" seems to be suggested - get two instead of one and they don't have to work as hard to get the same db's (as well as smooth out room response); of course, SW's operate only in a limited audio band, outside of where most of the main sound is. Yes, subwoofers have a limited sound field to work in but it is a very tough environment. Much harder articulation IMO. The longer waves make a considerable difference as well, compared to the highs and mids. |
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Post by novisnick on Apr 26, 2017 17:35:22 GMT -5
Yes, I think a speaker can be too big for a room for it to achieve its proper sound and ability. Ok.... how would you describe a speaker's "proper sound and ability" regarding the potential to "overwhelm" a room? I don't want to play stuff at rock concert levels (well, I'm assuming, I haven't been to one since college ;-)) A 10th row center seat at an orchestra concert with highly dynamic music can reach big decibels, but hopefully only briefly. Some movie theaters play too loudly (IMHO) but some scenes do require more punch (blow-uppies, SCI-FI battles, etc.) I don't listen to movies/TV really loudly at home, I usually set the volume relative to the center channel dialog track, but at a clear mezzo-forte at least ;-). For a full dynamic orchestra presentation at home I want to get a good sense of size and space for the orchestra, but I don't want my ears to hurt (except for the most briefest tutti moments maybe) - one needs to be able to present a large dynamic range between quiet and loud in order to imitate realism, with all its subtlety and power. Theres much I agree with but a consensus with some friends says that speakers, or some of them, have a particular "knee wall" in which it needs to achieve in order to hit its stride and peak performance. Some speakers just donreach that point till they get up in db's, others pass that point and get swallowed up in the room. 😁🎶🎶🎶 |
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Post by Percussionista on Apr 26, 2017 17:51:57 GMT -5
Theres much I agree with but a consensus with some friends says that speakers, or some of them, have a particular "knee wall" in which it needs to achieve in order to hit its stride and peak performance. Some speakers just donreach that point till they get up in db's, others pass that point and get swallowed up in the room. 😁🎶🎶🎶 Ok, I can grok that as a reasonable explanation. I also note that every once in a while a reviewer will say that a speaker sounds really good at low volumes as well as high(er), which is a testament to good speaker design. Presumably, hard to do. So, maybe those T2's would be a better match for my room than dragon's ;-) (not to mention a better match for my wallet!) Still, on the other foot, those dragon's and also the enzos are extremely high efficiency, claiming this makes for higher accuracy, nuances, etc. |
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Post by snacker on Apr 26, 2017 23:47:37 GMT -5
I love my pendragons but I know I need to downsize or get some kind of room treatments. I sit about 8 feet back from them and I know I need another 5 feet at least. They are the most full range speakers I've ever heard. So you need to sit 13 feet away? If I try to do that I will end up at my neighbor's livingroom. Why you need to sit so far? As far as imagining goes that would be my best guess. I have vienna bookshelves sitting about a foot inside the tektons. They do a much better job with imagining however are not nearly as dynamic to my ears. Pens need more breathing room imo. |
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Post by rossonero3 on May 2, 2017 8:10:54 GMT -5
I've recently purchased a pair of the new release Tekton Uruz (basically a Lore with a ribbon tweeter) and I'm just gonna go ahead and say that Eric knows what he is doing. Everyone has their own own requirements and tastes but I honestly can't imagine or have experienced anything in the same league as these things. I've pushed them with my super sexy vintage Accuphase P300, an Adcom 5300 and even a Soundcraftsmen 50w per side A100 and these suckers sing and will crush you with their room pressurization. Hooked up to the Accuphase they will peel your face back while producing a holographic soundstage with unbelievable detail . Unreal. I've heard lots of speakers in my lif and these guys are something special. Get them now. Congrats! I'd love to hear to those. Did you talk to Eric before buying them and get a description of how they sound different with the ribbon tweeter? Is that what persuaded you to get the Uruz rather than the Lore? What size is the room they are playing in? Also any idea which tweeter he uses? (sorry for the twenty questions!) Before settling on the new BasX line separates i was seriously considering an Accuphase E202, just never materialized, I'm sure the Uruz sound amazing with P300. Care to share any pics? Mark |
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Post by Boomzilla on May 2, 2017 18:45:03 GMT -5
Yes, I think a speaker can be too big for a room for it to achieve its proper sound and ability. I might have to disagree... I've used Klipsch LaScalas in a tiny apartment - Sounded AWESOME!  |
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Post by novisnick on May 2, 2017 19:03:42 GMT -5
Yes, I think a speaker can be too big for a room for it to achieve its proper sound and ability. I might have to disagree... I've used Klipsch LaScalas in a tiny apartment - Sounded AWESOME! Tiny AND LaSacalas in the same sentence? Really? The Klipsch line of speakers gets to their hip-wall rather quickly which is a huge advantage. |
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