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Post by garbulky on Apr 21, 2017 9:30:53 GMT -5
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Post by stiehl11 on Apr 21, 2017 9:53:46 GMT -5
The BD drive should be able to read it, they didn't change the BD format for 4k. Triple and quad-layer BDs have been around for some time. The question will be whether or not you have a program that has the CODEC for it and a processing scheme to run fast enough to keep up with it.
Speaking of speed; buy as much as you can. Get the i7 7700k, get a raid for your hard drives, get an SSD for your OS. The more speed you have now the less you'll need to upgrade later. I've owned my rig for over 6 years and the only thing I've done is replace the Optical Drive (mine wore out/broke) and added a 480 GB SSD. With that last addition the performance of it will be good enough for what I'm doing with it for quite some time. Your biggest bottle necks are going to be in the Northbridge and Southbridge of your motherboard. So make sure you look at that.
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Post by Casey Leedom on Apr 21, 2017 10:00:24 GMT -5
I would definitely go with a Solid State Drive for the "Root Drive". It'll speed things up a lot. Right now, the best out there in the SATA format is the Samsung 850 PRO. Super fast and comes with a 10 year warranty. The 256GB one floats around $150. If you get a Motherboard which supports the M.2 standard, then the 960 PRO is a good choice though much more expensive and only justified for space-constrained laptops or those needing PCIe transfer speeds.
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Post by garbulky on Apr 21, 2017 10:25:02 GMT -5
stiehl11Just want to let you guys know what I plan to do with the PC. And of course budget is really important. Trying to keep it about $800-1000 if I can. $1000 the highest I can really go. My last PC I used for about 12 years with only a graphics card upgrade. I still find its performance on the slower side of acceptable. But it's obvious that it has trouble with HD video and stutters badly on 4k video and at 1080p resolution web surfing isn't very smooth though acceptable. So that's one of the reasons for upgrading. So what I want: Internet browsing. 4k video - mainly youtube - for my job and entertainment. Printing for my music teaching Gaming - rare and I'm not very demanding with it, having been used to playing 30 fps games at 720 to 1080 p for a long time. But there are some games that came out recently that I'd really like to play - Mass Effect Andromeda, Project Cars, and possibly the latest Doom game. My only caveat is I don't want to play on the "low" setting. I would prefer a setting that looks good, but not necessarily "ultra". Other than that, I don't really care for gaming. Project Cars and Mass effect Andromeda will probably keep me busy for years!  Booting relatively fast - my current PC takes about 4 minutes to be useful. I don't expect performance in the seconds, but something faster than that. Hence, the reason I'm not after squeezing the last amount of performance, just trying to get something that can handle what's out now and not frustrate me. Casey Leedom : the SSD sounds really appealing with the 10 year warranty and the obvious HUGE speed increase over my current drive! I will probably go that direction. It makes sense and will probably last through some more upgrade cycles as well. Now question. You know how Windows puts your "downloads" and pictures and documents all on the C drive? Since the SSD is just the boot drive, is there a way to tell it to stop that mess and put it on my slower 2 TV hard drive instead?
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Post by ÈlTwo on Apr 21, 2017 10:55:30 GMT -5
If your monitor is 1080p, then you should go with a GTX 1060 (6 gig version), this will give you plenty of power for games at 1080p and be able to handle 4k video. As stated above, use an SSd (the Samsung is the way to go) for your boot drive, and a standard spinner for data. I've used MSI and Gigabyte boards in the past, but I've been running an Asrock board for a while now, and am happy. Take a peek at this board: ASRock Z270 KILLER SLI/AC and see if it has enough room for your audio card:  |
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Post by MusicHead on Apr 21, 2017 11:00:35 GMT -5
Hey gar, I just had to purchase a new video card myself (old one died), so I have spent several days this past week checking what is available. As it has been the case for a while now, it is really between Nvidia-based and AMD-based cards (the latter used to be ATI). I have always had good experiences with Nvidia, so this is the one I got, EVGA GeForce GTX 1050: www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Support-Graphics-02G-P4-6150-KR/dp/B01M9FD3PC/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1492789222&sr=1-2&keywords=EVGA+GeForce+GTX+1050These days this is considered an entry level gaming card  . EVGA makes a ton of cards based on Nvidia chips, at all price levels and they have a decent reputation (and a 3-yr warranty). If you want to look for something else that might be of your liking, check this out. Starting a $30 all the way up to $749 and a few scary "TBD" for the latest cards yet to become available: www.evga.com/products/productlist.aspx?type=0If you want to see how some of the Nvidia-based "budget" gaming cards compare to their price range equivalent from AMD, I founds this article very useful: www.pcworld.com/article/3134528/components-graphics/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1050-and-gtx-1050-ti-review-the-new-budget-gaming-champions.htmlJust to play it safe (pun intended!  ) I would not buy anything lower spec than a GeForce GTX 1050 2GB or a Radeon RX 460 2GB. If you can/want to spend the money, probably the sweet spot for more "serious" gaming and overall video/graphic performance is a GeForce GTX 1060 3GB in one of the many variations available or a Radeon R9 Fury. I am known to go overboard with researching when I have to buy something, but I hope all of the above can help you out  . In the end it took me a only a few days to make up my mind, the GeForce GTX 1050 2GB will be here tomorrow., |
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Post by garbulky on Apr 21, 2017 11:01:24 GMT -5
If your monitor is 1080p, then you should go with a GTX 1060 (6 gig version), this will give you plenty of power for games at 1080p and be able to handle 4k video. As stated above, use an SSd (the Samsung is the way to go) for your boot drive, and a standard spinner for data. I've used MSI and Gigabyte boards in the past, but I've been running an Asrock board for a while now, and am happy. Take a peek at this board: ASRock Z270 KILLER SLI/AC and see if it has enough room for your audio card: Thanks for the feedback. I never heard of Asrock. I shall explore them. Unfortunately that MB doesn't have a PCI slot (yes I know it's ancient! lol) What is your reasoning for the 1060 reccomendation? I have one of these pseudo 4k monitors. It's actually 1080p but with "four sub pixels" that give more than 1080p resolution and accepts a 4k signal as well as HDMI 2 capability. I don't care about 4k gaming just 1080p (or 720 p). But I do want 4k streaming video from youtube. I will probably use a standalone box for 4k blu ray. |
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Post by stiehl11 on Apr 21, 2017 11:01:38 GMT -5
Booting relatively fast - my current PC takes about 4 minutes to be useful. I don't expect performance in the seconds, but something faster than that. By way of comparison, when I added my SSD to my 6 year old rig (it was not the Samsung model), my boot time went from about 5 minutes to about 45 seconds. My constraint is in the Northbridge or it would be quicker. |
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Post by MusicHead on Apr 21, 2017 11:04:54 GMT -5
Booting relatively fast - my current PC takes about 4 minutes to be useful. I don't expect performance in the seconds, but something faster than that. By way of comparison, when I added my SSD to my 6 year old rig (it was not the Samsung model), my boot time went from about 5 minutes to about 45 seconds. My constraint is in the Northbridge or it would be quicker. OS and software on the SSD and data/files/pictures/videos on a conventional HDD is definitely the way to go now. |
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Post by garbulky on Apr 21, 2017 11:22:01 GMT -5
Hey gar, I just had to purchase a new video card myself (old one died), so I have spent several days this past week checking what is available. As it has been the case for a while now, it is really between Nvidia-based and AMD-based cards (the latter used to be ATI). I have always had good experiences with Nvidia, so this is the one I got, EVGA GeForce GTX 1050: www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Support-Graphics-02G-P4-6150-KR/dp/B01M9FD3PC/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1492789222&sr=1-2&keywords=EVGA+GeForce+GTX+1050These days this is considered an entry level gaming card . EVGA makes a ton of cards based on Nvidia chips, at all price levels and they have a decent reputation (and a 3-yr warranty). If you want to look for something else that might be of your liking, check this out. Starting a $30 all the way up to $749 and a few scary "TBD" for the latest cards yet to become available: www.evga.com/products/productlist.aspx?type=0If you want to see how some of the Nvidia-based "budget" gaming cards compare to their price range equivalent from AMD, I founds this article very useful: www.pcworld.com/article/3134528/components-graphics/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1050-and-gtx-1050-ti-review-the-new-budget-gaming-champions.htmlJust to play it safe (pun intended! ) I would not buy anything lower spec than a GeForce GTX 1050 2GB or a Radeon RX 460 2GB. If you can/want to spend the money, probably the sweet spot for more "serious" gaming and overall video/graphic performance is a GeForce GTX 1060 3GB in one of the many variations available or a Radeon R9 Fury. I am known to go overboard with researching when I have to buy something, but I hope all of the above can help you out . In the end it took me a only a few days to make up my mind, the GeForce GTX 1050 2GB will be here tomorrow., Very helpful thank you |
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Post by garbulky on Apr 21, 2017 11:22:47 GMT -5
Booting relatively fast - my current PC takes about 4 minutes to be useful. I don't expect performance in the seconds, but something faster than that. By way of comparison, when I added my SSD to my 6 year old rig (it was not the Samsung model), my boot time went from about 5 minutes to about 45 seconds. My constraint is in the Northbridge or it would be quicker. Holy moley, that's NICE! How does the Northbridge constrain it? |
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Post by bootman on Apr 21, 2017 11:44:41 GMT -5
I should one day post a video on how fast my rig boots up. No one will believe it if I just told you.  The 1060 card is your best bet for HDMI compatibility with what you are looking for. Also some MBs have audio as good as that Asus card. (look at some ASUS MBs. ) Or just use a USB DAC and don't worry about the PCI card. |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Apr 21, 2017 12:01:11 GMT -5
Casey Leedom : the SSD sounds really appealing with the 10 year warranty and the obvious HUGE speed increase over my current drive! I will probably go that direction. It makes sense and will probably last through some more upgrade cycles as well. Now question. You know how Windows puts your "downloads" and pictures and documents all on the C drive? Since the SSD is just the boot drive, is there a way to tell it to stop that mess and put it on my slower 2 TV hard drive instead? Sorry, I'm not a Windows person, so no clue at all. But I have to imagine that there's a way to do this. What you're planning on doing isn't unusual at all. A 256GB SSD combined with a 2TB or 4TB spinning drive is a great way to go. By the way, for the old fashioned spinning drives I've been very happy with the Western Digital Caviar Green drives in the past. It looks like they now have a "Blue" line with a longer warranty designed for 24/7 use and only slightly more expensive. I wouldn't bother with the "Black" line and the 7200RPM spindles unless you have extremely high performance disk applications in mind. Casey |
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Post by garbulky on Apr 21, 2017 12:03:21 GMT -5
I should one day post a video on how fast my rig boots up. No one will believe it if I just told you. The 1060 card is your best bet for HDMI compatibility with what you are looking for. Also some MBs have audio as good as that Asus card. (look at some ASUS MBs. ) Or just use a USB DAC and don't worry about the PCI card. I call it Eww-SB.  Yeah looks like the card is a good fit. |
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Post by stiehl11 on Apr 21, 2017 12:34:42 GMT -5
By way of comparison, when I added my SSD to my 6 year old rig (it was not the Samsung model), my boot time went from about 5 minutes to about 45 seconds. My constraint is in the Northbridge or it would be quicker. Holy moley, that's NICE! How does the Northbridge constrain it? My SSD is capable of sending data faster than what the MB can handle. So, technically, it could even boot faster if it was on a newer MB. |
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Post by garbulky on Apr 21, 2017 12:41:31 GMT -5
Holy moley, that's NICE! How does the Northbridge constrain it? My SSD is capable of sending data faster than what the MB can handle. So, technically, it could even boot faster if it was on a newer MB. Wow. What's your hard drive? |
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Post by stiehl11 on Apr 21, 2017 12:44:56 GMT -5
My SSD is capable of sending data faster than what the MB can handle. So, technically, it could even boot faster if it was on a newer MB. Wow. What's your hard drive? Sandisk SSD Plus 480GB. |
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Post by novisnick on Apr 21, 2017 12:50:16 GMT -5
[quote author=" garbulky" timestamp="1492796491" source="/post/884901/ [/quote]Wow. What's your hard drive?[/quote] My drive home after a long night at work,,,,,,,he,,,,he,,,,he,,,,, |
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Post by garbulky on Apr 21, 2017 12:52:38 GMT -5
Wow. What's your hard drive? Sandisk SSD Plus 480GB. The price seems pretty reasonable for it too. |
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Post by stiehl11 on Apr 21, 2017 13:57:56 GMT -5
The price seems pretty reasonable for it too. Yes it does. I got mine on a Black Friday special for about $100. |
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