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Post by garbulky on Jun 6, 2017 11:02:18 GMT -5
Arrghh turns out the i7 processors sell WITHOUT COOLER FANS or thermal paste!!!!!!!!! What?! How do I know what to get?!
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Post by kewlmunky on Jun 6, 2017 11:06:09 GMT -5
Arrghh turns out the i7 processors sell WITHOUT COOLER FANS or thermal paste!!!!!!!!! What?! How do I know what to get?! Usually, ones that are without the fan will be marked "OEM". You should always check the description, though. If unsure, contact the seller about it. Standard retail ones should come with a heatsink/fan with a square of thermal paste pre-applied to it. |
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Post by garbulky on Jun 6, 2017 11:18:14 GMT -5
Arrghh turns out the i7 processors sell WITHOUT COOLER FANS or thermal paste!!!!!!!!! What?! How do I know what to get?! Usually, ones that are without the fan will be marked "OEM". You should always check the description, though. If unsure, contact the seller about it. Standard retail ones should come with a heatsink/fan with a square of thermal paste pre-applied to it. I am using this link www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117726&cm_re=i7_6700-_-19-117-726-_-Product |
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Post by kewlmunky on Jun 6, 2017 11:28:47 GMT -5
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Post by MusicHead on Jun 6, 2017 17:15:22 GMT -5
Still looking for some input. My main question - the processor. I5 6700 K kabylake, I7 6700 K skylake, or I7-7700 Kabylake The I7-7700 is the fastest and costs the same as the skylake. But skylake runs much cooler strangely. Is it worth it for a minor speed increase over the i7 6700k skylake to deal with additional heat? I'm leaning towards the newer kabylake despite the heat but almost all the failures I've had was with hot running hardware. This will help you make a more informed decision. www.pcadvisor.co.uk/review/graphics-cards-pc-upgrades/kaby-lake-vs-skylake-3658183/ |
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Post by garbulky on Jun 6, 2017 17:40:30 GMT -5
Still looking for some input. My main question - the processor. I5 6700 K kabylake, I7 6700 K skylake, or I7-7700 Kabylake The I7-7700 is the fastest and costs the same as the skylake. But skylake runs much cooler strangely. Is it worth it for a minor speed increase over the i7 6700k skylake to deal with additional heat? I'm leaning towards the newer kabylake despite the heat but almost all the failures I've had was with hot running hardware. This will help you make a more informed decision. www.pcadvisor.co.uk/review/graphics-cards-pc-upgrades/kaby-lake-vs-skylake-3658183/The 4k video decoding special chip really appeals to me! NICE! So is the support for Optane memory. It could speed up games on my hard drive and stuff. Any thoughts about Ryzen? |
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Post by MusicHead on Jun 6, 2017 19:55:06 GMT -5
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Post by garbulky on Jun 7, 2017 0:57:52 GMT -5
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Post by kewlmunky on Jun 7, 2017 7:26:57 GMT -5
I just ordered. I7 7700k water cooled GeForce 1060 dual fans Samsung ego 850 512 gb Optane memory 15 go 3 tb hgst hard drive 16 gb 3000 MHz ddr 4 ram Looks to be a promising build. If I can figure out the water cooler. What'd you get for a water cooler? Did you get a closed loop one? |
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Post by garbulky on Jun 7, 2017 11:07:47 GMT -5
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Post by KeithL on Jun 7, 2017 11:35:23 GMT -5
I think you may have bought into a significant bit of overkill... but that unit seems reasonable. It's closed loop (and I'll bet it uses something like mineral oil and not water). Do remember that, strictly speaking, there's no such think as "a cooler".... it's a heat pump. It moves heat from the cooling plate to its radiator - and actually generates a bit more heat in the process (it uses power to run). In other words, if the fan you put on your CPU needs to move a certain amount of air to cool the chip directly... Then the fan on the liquid cooler's radiator has to move MORE air - because it has to get rid of the heat from the CPU plus the heat it generates. (the idea is that you'll put that radiator someplace where it's more convenient to dump the heat - like outside the case - or at least facing out.) |
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Post by MusicHead on Jun 7, 2017 11:56:29 GMT -5
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Post by monkumonku on Jun 7, 2017 11:59:16 GMT -5
I cannot help but see this image of the CPU, RAM and GPU having a talk around the water cooler during a break...  The RAM and GPU are there because the CPU is a real hottie. |
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Post by garbulky on Jun 7, 2017 12:16:13 GMT -5
I think you may have bought into a significant bit of overkill... but that unit seems reasonable. It's closed loop (and I'll bet it uses something like mineral oil and not water). Do remember that, strictly speaking, there's no such think as "a cooler".... it's a heat pump. It moves heat from the cooling plate to its radiator - and actually generates a bit more heat in the process (it uses power to run). In other words, if the fan you put on your CPU needs to move a certain amount of air to cool the chip directly... Then the fan on the liquid cooler's radiator has to move MORE air - because it has to get rid of the heat from the CPU plus the heat it generates. (the idea is that you'll put that radiator someplace where it's more convenient to dump the heat - like outside the case - or at least facing out.) Well goddoggit, I didn't realize the watercooler is outside the CPU case!! Darn... Sigh, this is what I get for trying to go all fancy. I got this Corsaire obsidian case full tower. I was hoping that since the water cooler I bought was a corsaire it will fit but now I don't know. www.amazon.com/dp/B00EB6O4N8/ref=twister_B017XA16A2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1 |
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Post by garbulky on Jun 7, 2017 12:17:43 GMT -5
Any suggestions on which version of Office? The prices are insane right now. And Office 365 appears to be $@#@!!@@! subscription based?! Ugh
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Post by chaosrv on Jun 7, 2017 13:19:21 GMT -5
Honestly, the Office 365 subscription isn't terrible.
If you only need it on one machine/for one user, the $70 per year and a "full" version of Office 2016 (with Outlook) is $200+
You get three years of Office 365 for the price of of a single Office 2016 license. Plus, with 365 you will always have access to the latest version. When Office 2018 (or whatever comes next) you get the upgrade included in your 365 subscription. If you buy 2016, you're stuck with 2016 until you pony up the $200+ for another license.
If you don't need Outlook, Office 2016 Home is "only" $150.
If you want an alternative and you don't need Outlook, you can also look into Open Office. It is free and the compatibility with Microsoft Office is very good.
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Post by MusicHead on Jun 7, 2017 13:25:38 GMT -5
Any suggestions on which version of Office? The prices are insane right now. And Office 365 appears to be $@#@!!@@! subscription based?! Ugh How about Open Office or Libre Office? www.openoffice.org/www.libreoffice.org/Both open source and pretty good alternatives to "that" Office. Or you could try to find an old traditional copy of Office 200x, maybe Craiglist or eBay? |
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Post by KeithL on Jun 7, 2017 13:31:52 GMT -5
You can put it in different spots. The primary purpose of the cooler is to pull heat directly away from the CPU. However, if you put the radiator inside the case, it will pull the heat from the CPU, but then dump it in the case - and so make the inside of the case warmer. That would in fact serve the primary purpose of keeping the CPU from overheating. However, it would mean that you would need even more fans or other cooling to cool the entire unit. If your case has LOADS of cooling, you could do that, and it would still keep the CPU from getting a lot hotter than the rest of the interior. However, that will actually increase the amount of cooling you need to keep the entire case cool (the heat pump actually makes slightly more heat than it moves). However, since the CPU is a major source of heat, if you vent that CPU heat outside, you will REDUCE your other cooling needs (so you can run your other fans slower). Also, since the outside air will still be somewhat cooler than the air inside the case, the CPU cooler unit will be doing less work, so you can also run its fans more slowly. Remember... nothing destroys heat... your goal is to move the heat outside the case as expediently as possible. I think you may have bought into a significant bit of overkill... but that unit seems reasonable. It's closed loop (and I'll bet it uses something like mineral oil and not water). Do remember that, strictly speaking, there's no such think as "a cooler".... it's a heat pump. It moves heat from the cooling plate to its radiator - and actually generates a bit more heat in the process (it uses power to run). In other words, if the fan you put on your CPU needs to move a certain amount of air to cool the chip directly... Then the fan on the liquid cooler's radiator has to move MORE air - because it has to get rid of the heat from the CPU plus the heat it generates. (the idea is that you'll put that radiator someplace where it's more convenient to dump the heat - like outside the case - or at least facing out.) Well goddoggit, I didn't realize the watercooler is outside the CPU case!! Darn... Sigh, this is what I get for trying to go all fancy. I got this Corsaire obsidian case full tower. I was hoping that since the water cooler I bought was a corsaire it will fit but now I don't know. www.amazon.com/dp/B00EB6O4N8/ref=twister_B017XA16A2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1 |
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Post by kewlmunky on Jun 7, 2017 13:39:32 GMT -5
With a closed loop cooler, you won't put it outside the case. If you did an open loop one (one where you put it together yourself) you could mount it externally. I have a closed loop one similar to yours. You will mount the pump and heat block on the CPU similar to mounting a heatsink. Then you will attach the radiator to where you would put exhaust fans. Ideally this would be the top of the case or the rear, but usually the rear of a case only has a single fan mount.
One thing to note with double radiators like that, at least with mine (Corsair H110), is your mounting holes may not all line up. The top of my case had mounting for two 120mm fans, but if you mounted them there was a slight gap between them. Thus I had to make two new holes slightly closer to be able to mount my radiator.
Hopefully your installation goes easier than mine. If you can send me a link to the case you have, I can give you some more information.
EDIT: Just saw you had posted the case. The top of the case can fit 2x140mm fans on the top, so you should have enough room for the radiator and fans, but depending on if they mount with a space between them or not will determine if you have to make some holes.
Another note is how high up your motherboard sits in the case, and what electronic components are at the top of it may affect the installation as well. With my older components, my motherboard had components at the top that caused me to mount the fans on top of the case, thus pulling air from the radiator. If you have room, I would recommend mounting the fans under the radiator, so they push the air through it and out the top of the case.
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Post by KeithL on Jun 7, 2017 13:44:27 GMT -5
It REALLY depends on what you plan to use it for..... If your goal is to be able to exchange serious files with other people who use Microsoft Office - then you really NEED the real thing. Otherwise, there are lots of reasonable alternatives.... I have a lot of experience with MS Office, and I've looked at the other alternatives...... Open Office is more or less equivalent to Microsoft Office 1997... in terms of being equal. It does all the basic word processing stuff, it's plenty good for writing one-page letters, or even five page newsletters, and it can read and write Microsoft Word documents. However, it doesn't offer many of the more advanced features and, more importantly, it handles all the advanced stuff differently. (If you tried to use MS Office at work and Open Office at home you'd go crazy in about a week.) Likewise, the Open Office spreadsheet program can make basic spreadsheets like Excel, and can exchange spreadsheets with Excel, but the advanced features don't line up and all the buttons are different. If you're really looking for a "lite" version of office, that can read and write more or less simple office type documents, then Open Office will do the job (for free). If you want all the heavy duty features, and controls that work just like Microsoft office, then you're sort of stuck with Microsoft Office (so bite the bullet and buy it). Note that you'll pay more for the version that includes MS Access (the database) - which most people don't actually use. Also note that there are package deals (like the "Home and Student" version which is licensed to run two copies on two different computers). If you're not sure, it might make sense to try Open Office first - since it is free. Any suggestions on which version of Office? The prices are insane right now. And Office 365 appears to be $@#@!!@@! subscription based?! Ugh |
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