New PC build help

[nrde]

Jun 9, 2017 13:37:12 GMT -5 garbulky said:

I'm about to start hooking it up together. I'm going to be using the Samsung Evo 850 pro solid-state hard drive which has a 10 year warranty. Some website article has reported that it keeps functioning long after it's 80 TB written limit. Currently getting well over a peta bite without failure. ! So my question is should I install my browser which I'm going to be using a lot on the flash drive Over the mechanical hard drive?
Also if I do install it on the solid-state hard drive, is there a way to keep all the browser history files and all that on a different mechanical hard drive while booting the browser from the solid-state hard drive? Because of figure that the browser history files and the cookies are going to take up a lot of space and get constantly written to. 

- I wouldn't worry about ssd writes anymore, except if you have a program that writes a lot of data constantly to the ssd (you might argue browsers do exactly that)
- depends on your browser, start firefox with firefox.exe -p to get profile manager window, create new profile and you can select the path where it gets created
- history and cookies don't take much space

[garbulky]

Well gentlemen, I'm loving the quietness of the machine and the zippy nature it does things. Unfortunately it looks like both hard drives on my old machine are failing badly. I'm not sure why but it's made data recovery a pain. It just hangs after some time. Luckily I purchased new hard drives, but I'm wondering if there is something that could cause mechanical hard drives to fial?

Some interesting comments.

- M2 slots and the standoff and screws. WHO THE HECK CAME UP WITH THIS BS DESIGN?!?! Seriously .... who in their right mind came up with this?!?!
Look....this was the most frustrating bit of the computer! What nut job?!
Here's how it goes.
It starts off with the chip looking like it's broken and you panicking because it is sticking up halfway out of the slot.

Then you discover you have to screw in a very very tiny screw which fits no standard screw driver size in to a motherboard standoff which also you have to move depending on the size. The motherboard stand off is also very tiny and hard to unscrew.
Finally when you have the motherboard standoff in place, you try to put the screw in. Only to find out that not onyl is it hard as heck to slot in, the m2 drive flips up sticking out of the slot at an angle throwing the screw out before you can screw it in. I mean seriously. Why design something that will dislodge the very thing you are trying to use to keep the thing from disloding?!

- Man...things are very very fast. There is literally no wait time on that flash drive.

Windows has truly delivered the much wanted fast boot times. Now the dread of having to restart is no longer there. Before you know it, the machine is back in session ready to run.

- Optane memory: turns out that it only works with a single mechanical drive. And it is pseudo permanent. You can't use mechanical the drive without it! Which could be a problem when one is trying to transfer files between machines during a failure. You can reverse this....but your machine needs to be working during this time.

- The Kabylake processork. Processors have evolved since the last time I put things together. These new processors can change their clock speed on the fly dramatically. At one point it got down to the 1 ghz range to conserve power. And at one point I think it boosted itself slightly past its clock speed.
- With 4k...the onboard dedicated unit for 4k on the Kabylake, literally completely relieves the processor burden for 4k. I saw whenever it played video, the processor basically lowered its clock speed in to the 1ghz range and had a usage of about 1%. There was way more processor usage when I moved the mouse!
Since video is a large part of my usage, this is good to know.

Windows 10 has so far been non obtrusive and not the nightmare I was dreading when using it on other machines. I've had very little need to use the metro interface so that's probably the reason. The win+tab keyboard shortcut is excellent and a very nice way of arranging things.

-Cases are improved in the ways that it has better cooling integration but still a pain in the butt in terms of usability.
Heh...I started at noon with oh this thing has all kinds of cool things so it's going to be a breeze to install. Later at 2 am, I was cursing the thing out.

[Axis]

Great build Garbulky. How about some pictures ?

[garbulky]

Jun 10, 2017 15:21:13 GMT -5 Axis said:

Great build Garbulky. How about some pictures ?

Ok so I have a question.
nrde Axis
Casey Leedom kewlmunky
I may have messed up. My goal was to use my Samsung 850 pro SSD as my boot drive which I am using right now with windows 10 64 bit.
However I also have a secondary 3 tb mechanical hard drive. AND intel optane. I was planing to use intel optane to accelerate the 3tb mechanical hard drive which I shall use to play games and music.
But from what I am now gathering I can't actually do this right?!?
Apparently it only accelerates a boot drive - which is a solid state hard drive and not theo ne I want the mechanical hard drive!

1. Am I right here?! It won't run on my mechanical hard drive because it's my SSD that has the boot on it?
2. I read somewhere there is still a way to make this happen - just not the standard optane way. Apparently it's using optane as a standard flash drive and then assigning it to the mechanical hard drive. What the heck is this?! I think it's called solid state caching? Never heard of it before. Is this possible, so I could still use the optane memory for my mechanical hard drive to speed it up during games? I don't really want to send it back!

[Boomzilla]

The "it just works" solution:

[novisnick]

Jun 10, 2017 20:43:30 GMT -5 Boomzilla said:

The "it just works" solution:

That last line there boom, was it one billion dollars? 😋

[Casey Leedom]

Sorry, I'm not familiar with the Intel Optane technology. I'll look into it ...

Casey

[Boomzilla]

Jun 10, 2017 21:10:33 GMT -5 novisnick said:

That last line there boom, was it one billion dollars? 😋

Sorry, I couldn't resist! LOL

[Axis]

Jun 10, 2017 20:03:18 GMT -5 garbulky said:

Jun 10, 2017 15:21:13 GMT -5 Axis said:

Great build Garbulky. How about some pictures ?

Ok so I have a question.
nrde Axis
Casey Leedom kewlmunky
I may have messed up. My goal was to use my Samsung 850 pro SSD as my boot drive which I am using right now with windows 10 64 bit.
However I also have a secondary 3 tb mechanical hard drive. AND intel optane. I was planing to use intel optane to accelerate the 3tb mechanical hard drive which I shall use to play games and music.
But from what I am now gathering I can't actually do this right?!?
Apparently it only accelerates a boot drive - which is a solid state hard drive and not theo ne I want the mechanical hard drive!

1. Am I right here?! It won't run on my mechanical hard drive because it's my SSD that has the boot on it?
2. I read somewhere there is still a way to make this happen - just not the standard optane way. Apparently it's using optane as a standard flash drive and then assigning it to the mechanical hard drive. What the heck is this?! I think it's called solid state caching? Never heard of it before. Is this possible, so I could still use the optane memory for my mechanical hard drive to speed it up during games? I don't really want to send it back!

Garbulky I not only have my Windows 7 on my Samsung pro SSD, I have all my programs run on my SSD. You use a SSD for your programs (Games) because they run faster and perform better. If this Intel Optane can make you SSD faster use it on it. Put your games on your SSD and use your 3 TB mechanical hard drive for backup.

[garbulky]

Axis
After looking at the relibability of SSD hard drives especially the samsung pro unit, I'm sort of kicking myself for not splurging and going for the gigabyte unit. These SSD's are the s*$t! I'm doing exactly what you said and using the SSD.
I'm trying to figure out this thing called intel smart response technology where I may be able to use the optane memory as an ssd. And then use it as a cache for the storage mechanical hard drive.

However I definitely won't couple my samsung pro ssd boot drive with it. The Intel drive doesn't have as much warranty as the pro. So if it fails, then the pro fails as there is no way to uncouple it after it fails.

[Axis]

garbulky

I have no ideal about intel smart response technology and optane memory. I am not sure I understand what you are talking about with coupling this with SSD or Mech hard drives.

You need to have a SSD big enough for your operating system and all your programs software. Your SSD will run plenty fast enough without a Nitrous oxide bottle strapped to it unless you are racing your SSD against someone else's SSD just bragging rights. Let your SSD do what it was designed to do and wait until you figure all the new technology out and know for a fact that you will get a real benefit from it. Your SSD will perform awesome right out of the box and there is a list of things you should have set up for using a SSD to get its best performance. You do not want to Defrag a SSD for one thing and there is a list of about 10 settings I modified in BIOS, Windows 7 and the Samsung SSD software when I put my SSD in service.

Put files like your music and pictures on the Mechanical drive and keep as much off the SSD as you can other than Windows and programs you need to run on the SSD. Some programs can be run from the Mechanical drive with no problem but programs like games need to be on the SSD to run with the speed the SSD provides. Also build partitions for your Mechanical drive. You can separate the space on the Mechanical drive into separate drive names. You may put your pictures in drive: P and music in drive: M. Do not partition the SSD.

You can add another SSD if you need more space for programs to run on a SSD.

[garbulky]

Jun 12, 2017 12:01:21 GMT -5 Axis said:

garbulky

I have no ideal about intel smart response technology and optane memory. I am not sure I understand what you are talking about with coupling this with SSD or Mech hard drives.

You need to have a SSD big enough for your operating system and all your programs software. Your SSD will run plenty fast enough without a Nitrous oxide bottle strapped to it unless you are racing your SSD against someone else's SSD just bragging rights. Let your SSD do what it was designed to do and wait until you figure all the new technology out and know for a fact that you will get a real benefit from it. Your SSD will perform awesome right out of the box and there is a list of things you should have set up for using a SSD to get its best performance. You do not want to Defrag a SSD for one thing and there is a list of about 10 settings I modified in BIOS, Windows 7 and the Samsung SSD software when I put my SSD in service.

Put files like your music and pictures on the Mechanical drive and keep as much off the SSD as you can other than Windows and programs you need to run on the SSD. Some programs can be run from the Mechanical drive with no problem but programs like games need to be on the SSD to run with the speed the SSD provides. Also build partitions for your Mechanical drive. You can separate the space on the Mechanical drive into separate drive names. You may put your pictures in drive: P and music in drive: M. Do not partition the SSD.

You can add another SSD if you need more space for programs to run on a SSD.

Well I only got so much space on my 850 pro - half a terabyte. My mechanical hard drive is 3 tb so I have a lot more wiggle room. The ssd caching is basically what itnel optane does. it's only 15gb but it works with the slower mechanical hard drive and acts as a cache of the most commonly used stuff. What that means is that for "most of the time" your mechanical hard drive works as fast as a SSD - but has greater storage capacity.

However the limtiation with optane is that intel rapid storage (the program it uses) will only act as a cache for a BOOT mechanical drive with windows 10. Not for a secondary storage drive in the PC. I already have a boot SSD that needs no speeding up.
However I'm not sure but I think Intel Smart response technology program will work with a regular SSD that supports it and I believe it will work for a secondary drive though I'm not sure. It basically does the same thing - act as a high speed cache. I just don't know enough about it to know if I can force Intel optane in to something it wasn't really supported to do.

[andyo]

The memory speed problem you have can be most likely fixed by going to BIOS and setting the memory clock there.

[Axis]

Jun 12, 2017 12:39:32 GMT -5 garbulky said:

Jun 12, 2017 12:01:21 GMT -5 Axis said:

garbulky

I have no ideal about intel smart response technology and optane memory. I am not sure I understand what you are talking about with coupling this with SSD or Mech hard drives.

You need to have a SSD big enough for your operating system and all your programs software. Your SSD will run plenty fast enough without a Nitrous oxide bottle strapped to it unless you are racing your SSD against someone else's SSD just bragging rights. Let your SSD do what it was designed to do and wait until you figure all the new technology out and know for a fact that you will get a real benefit from it. Your SSD will perform awesome right out of the box and there is a list of things you should have set up for using a SSD to get its best performance. You do not want to Defrag a SSD for one thing and there is a list of about 10 settings I modified in BIOS, Windows 7 and the Samsung SSD software when I put my SSD in service.

Put files like your music and pictures on the Mechanical drive and keep as much off the SSD as you can other than Windows and programs you need to run on the SSD. Some programs can be run from the Mechanical drive with no problem but programs like games need to be on the SSD to run with the speed the SSD provides. Also build partitions for your Mechanical drive. You can separate the space on the Mechanical drive into separate drive names. You may put your pictures in drive: P and music in drive: M. Do not partition the SSD.

You can add another SSD if you need more space for programs to run on a SSD.

Well I only got so much space on my 850 pro - half a terabyte. My mechanical hard drive is 3 tb so I have a lot more wiggle room. The ssd caching is basically what itnel optane does. it's only 15gb but it works with the slower mechanical hard drive and acts as a cache of the most commonly used stuff. What that means is that for "most of the time" your mechanical hard drive works as fast as a SSD - but has greater storage capacity.

However the limtiation with optane is that intel rapid storage (the program it uses) will only act as a cache for a BOOT mechanical drive with windows 10. Not for a secondary storage drive in the PC. I already have a boot SSD that needs no speeding up.
However I'm not sure but I think Intel Smart response technology program will work with a regular SSD that supports it and I believe it will work for a secondary drive though I'm not sure. It basically does the same thing - act as a high speed cache. I just don't know enough about it to know if I can force Intel optane in to something it wasn't really supported to do.

Your 850 pro SSD should be plenty big enough. You do not need the optane intel rapid storage for your SSD. Your cache is just fine and If you would just take my advice and max out your RAM and let the BIOS do a Automatic overclock your PC will smoke on the water. If there is something that speeds up the performance of a Mechanical hard drive to perform like a SSD I would not use it but buy a SSD instead. There headaches to be had messing with Mechanical hard drives. Take a break and enjoy your new PC.

[garbulky]

Jun 12, 2017 12:57:37 GMT -5 Axis said:

Jun 12, 2017 12:39:32 GMT -5 garbulky said:

Well I only got so much space on my 850 pro - half a terabyte. My mechanical hard drive is 3 tb so I have a lot more wiggle room. The ssd caching is basically what itnel optane does. it's only 15gb but it works with the slower mechanical hard drive and acts as a cache of the most commonly used stuff. What that means is that for "most of the time" your mechanical hard drive works as fast as a SSD - but has greater storage capacity.

However the limtiation with optane is that intel rapid storage (the program it uses) will only act as a cache for a BOOT mechanical drive with windows 10. Not for a secondary storage drive in the PC. I already have a boot SSD that needs no speeding up.
However I'm not sure but I think Intel Smart response technology program will work with a regular SSD that supports it and I believe it will work for a secondary drive though I'm not sure. It basically does the same thing - act as a high speed cache. I just don't know enough about it to know if I can force Intel optane in to something it wasn't really supported to do.

Your 850 pro SSD should be plenty big enough. You do not need the optane intel rapid storage for your SSD. Your cache is just fine and If you would just take my advice and max out your RAM and let the BIOS do a Automatic overclock your PC will smoke on the water. If there is something that speeds up the performance of a Mechanical hard drive to perform like a SSD I would not use it but buy a SSD instead. There headaches to be had messing with Mechanical hard drives. Take a break and enjoy your new PC.

But SSD's are dollars and I have a looot of games!

[Axis]

Jun 12, 2017 12:59:35 GMT -5 garbulky said:

Jun 12, 2017 12:57:37 GMT -5 Axis said:

Your 850 pro SSD should be plenty big enough. You do not need the optane intel rapid storage for your SSD. Your cache is just fine and If you would just take my advice and max out your RAM and let the BIOS do a Automatic overclock your PC will smoke on the water. If there is something that speeds up the performance of a Mechanical hard drive to perform like a SSD I would not use it but buy a SSD instead. There headaches to be had messing with Mechanical hard drives. Take a break and enjoy your new PC.

But SSD's are dollars and I have a looot of games!

You often have the option with games to only load so much of the game program on the hard drive and use the disc to cover the rest. You have a lot of space on that SSD and if you need more you should have thought about that before you buy a SSD. Still you have plenty of room on your SSD and there should be plenty of room for games.

[garbulky]

Jun 12, 2017 13:21:55 GMT -5 Axis said:

Jun 12, 2017 12:59:35 GMT -5 garbulky said:

But SSD's are dollars and I have a looot of games!

You often have the option with games to only load so much of the game program on the hard drive and use the disc to cover the rest. You have a lot of space on that SSD and if you need more you should have thought about that before you buy a SSD. Still you have plenty of room on your SSD and there should be plenty of room for games.

Yeah I'm going to use it. Already installed three 50 GB games on it. But since I already have the technology to speed up a mechanical hard drive, I wouldn't mind knowing if there was a way to do it.

[Axis]

Jun 12, 2017 14:06:49 GMT -5 garbulky said:

Jun 12, 2017 13:21:55 GMT -5 Axis said:

You often have the option with games to only load so much of the game program on the hard drive and use the disc to cover the rest. You have a lot of space on that SSD and if you need more you should have thought about that before you buy a SSD. Still you have plenty of room on your SSD and there should be plenty of room for games.

Yeah I'm going to use it. Already installed three 50 GB games on it. But since I already have the technology to speed up a mechanical hard drive, I wouldn't mind knowing if there was a way to do it.

You should know by now I have no doubt you will. Your the Man Garbulky !

[nrde]

Jun 10, 2017 20:03:18 GMT -5 garbulky said:

 I was planing to use intel optane to accelerate the 3tb mechanical hard drive which I shall use to play games and music.

If you have relatively big SSD, you should put your programs on that, I.e.n the optane is no use for you. You don't need SSD caching to play music imo, modern hard drives transfer close to 100MB/s which should be enough (~3 songs in flac format in 1 sec). For the price of the octane you could have bought one extra 64/128GB SSD to put your music and few favorite games onto.

But for your actual problem getting octane to work with your HD I have no concrete suggestion as I don't have nor have any need for one.

[garbulky]

Jun 12, 2017 19:07:31 GMT -5 nrde said:

Jun 10, 2017 20:03:18 GMT -5 garbulky said:

 I was planing to use intel optane to accelerate the 3tb mechanical hard drive which I shall use to play games and music.

If you have relatively big SSD, you should put your programs on that, I.e.n the optane is no use for you. You don't need SSD caching to play music imo, modern hard drives transfer close to 100MB/s which should be enough (~3 songs in flac format in 1 sec). For the price of the octane you could have bought one extra 64/128GB SSD to put your music and few favorite games onto.

But for your actual problem getting octane to work with your HD I have no concrete suggestion as I don't have nor have any need for one.

Yeah I had no idea optane would not work with a regular hard drive. You would think they'd have figured that out. I don't see the reason for it being a boot drive other than a precaution against it being accidentally removed.