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Post by garbulky on Jun 16, 2017 13:32:32 GMT -5
DDR ram is rated at 2x the "normal" speed. Blame marketing. Ah... okay, very useful info! So are you saying I'm getting the correct speed out of my ram when speccy says 1600 but my BIOS appears to say 3200. Though when I go deeper in the BIOs it mentions some different speeds. Amazon states that it is 3200 Mhz (not that other way they used to do it with the PC3200 and not state the mhz)....don't know if that makes a difference. It is two double sided sticks. |
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Post by Axis on Jun 16, 2017 13:32:53 GMT -5
I have disabled the Indexing on my SSD for this reason. You can not do a find but I do not miss that. I keep all my files like Word or Excel, music, pictures ect... on a separate mechanical drive. I have a second SSD that I use for a backup that goes in my little fireproof lock box I bought at Sam's Club. I think I am ok. Mechanical hard drives can fail for a lot of reasons... They last far better than they used to, but they still have a finite life expectancy. The other thing is that most of them already have some sort of detection and bypass mechanism for minor surface errors. This means that, by the time you start to notice "hard errors", the deterioration may be rather advanced. Also, once file corruption starts to occur, it snowballs rapidly. (Imagine trying to find books in a burning library - once the card file starts to burn.) And, once the file allocation tables and partition table become damaged, recovering data becomes problematic as well. If you have anything on the drive that you actually CARE about, what you need to do is to remove it immediately, and install a new boot drive. (Windows does a LOT of reads and writes when it boots up, and in normal operation; on a damaged drive, each write is another opportunity for more damage to occur. Therefore, you'll have a lot better chance of recovering your data if you immediately stop using that drive to run Windows. Instead, install a new boot drive, and connect your old drive as just a data drive... since you're only reading from it, this will minimize the progress of the deterioration.) Also remember the old wisdom... which is still true... ALL hard drives eventually fail... even SSDs... so BACK UP ANY DATA YOU REALLY CARE ABOUT. The time to make a copy of your data is BEFORE a problem occurs. (Drives last a lot better than they used to, but mechanical drives still wear out, and so do SSDs - for slightly different reasons.) |
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Post by bootman on Jun 16, 2017 13:47:58 GMT -5
DDR ram is rated at 2x the "normal" speed. Blame marketing. Ah... okay, very useful info! So are you saying I'm getting the correct speed out of my ram when speccy says 1600 but my BIOS appears to say 3200. Though when I go deeper in the BIOs it mentions some different speeds. Amazon states that it is 3200 Mhz (not that other way they used to do it with the PC3200 and not state the mhz)....don't know if that makes a difference. It is two double sided sticks. The bus speed is 1600 MHz while the effective data rate (since it is bi-directional) is 2x that. So you are OK.  Also the number ram references data rate (MT/s) and not data speed (MHz). |
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Post by Axis on Jun 16, 2017 13:49:33 GMT -5
DDR ram is rated at 2x the "normal" speed. Blame marketing. Ah... okay, very useful info! So are you saying I'm getting the correct speed out of my ram when speccy says 1600 but my BIOS appears to say 3200. Though when I go deeper in the BIOs it mentions some different speeds. Amazon states that it is 3200 Mhz (not that other way they used to do it with the PC3200 and not state the mhz)....don't know if that makes a difference. It is two double sided sticks. You need to find out how to set up your BIOS and how it is set depends on the motherboard. Usually now there are explanations built into the BIOS or you can find the answer from the motherboard site or online post. Find out what those others speeds are but they may not be what you want to change too. Do you have 1600 or 3200 sticks ? I think you have 3200 Mhz and you should be able to see exactly what speed your RAM is running real time. It goes up and down a small amount constantly. Once you know what you have and what it is running you can decide what speed you tell the BIOS to run your RAM. You can Overclock it to a higher speed than it was built for but not too high. |
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Post by garbulky on Jun 16, 2017 14:08:50 GMT -5
It isn't worth researching to me. My experience is sufficiently persuasive (to me) that I'm not reverting to a Windows machine . If I start getting viruses on my Mac, it'll be time to reevaluate, but until then... And I'm more than willing to concede that my PC experience may be obsolete. After all, my PC-using friends (including garbulky) don't seem to have the same problems that I used to. The idea that you could simply do nothing on the PC and get a virus as long as its connected to the internet is in general innaccurate. I mean it's possible if somebody was a hacker and maliciously doing so but in normal use, not really. Viruses usually come from downloaded programs, visiting malicous websites, and more importantly a computer that is not updated. Windows, like the MAC do release updates to patch their machines against holes in their security. Also Windows releases an anti-virus program that it runs called Windows defender that is automatically downloaded as long as you have allowed it. The real difference is that there are less Mac users and hence mac users get targetted less. The early Windows machines had some bad holes in security. As of late, a lot of it has tightened up. Just as an example - I've used Windows all my life. Back in 2003 or 4 there was a famous worm that infected a huge amount of computers including mine. It kept shutting my machine down and made it unusable. An hour of research and a tool later, the PC was up and running, the worm gone. Windows had by that time already issued an update to secure the hole. That was the only virus I ever got. However, I do help many people out and it's really not unusual for them to have got infected. Most of them were still using the old internet explorer, the machines were never updated, some visited some questionable web sites, half of them had toolbars up the wazoo from installing programs without understanding what they were doing. And though this is all user error, one cannot deny that ..... 1. It isn't like people are trained to use the PC in a "smart way". There's no "safe booty website" course. Or effective ways to protect against viruses course. Or "update the machine like this or install software this way". People buy a machine expecting it to work not to jump through hoops with it. I talk to people daily that don't know what the minimize or maximise buttons, switch windows are or still press the mouse wheel button instead of left click. I've encountered several that don't know how to use the space bar. Where's the training for this? The point is don't take things for granted. Also these same people are much better at using an iphone because of the simplicity of the interface. This is a WIN on a UI perspective. 2. Macs are closed eco systems for the most part. And therefore side step a lot of these issues. Therefore macs can often be expected to just "work." I used a mac and gosh darn it it confused the heck out of me and that experience was enough for me to say, no thanks. But....that's from a lifetime of windows experience and I expected it to be like windows which of course it wasn't. (Once again, user error on my part). So the closed eco system has its advantages and that's why Steve Jobs was an advocate of deciding for the customers. He knew who he wanted as his demographic and it wasn't people like me that wanted to customize heavily, spend as little as possible. It was for people that wanted to things to work (quickly) in a way that they didn't have to spend years figuring out how to or call their nephew up for troubleshooting. Also there is a baseline assurance that the parts in there are going to be somewhat durable and if it's not you'll take it to a mac store to either get THEM to fix it or BUY a new machine. Either way, they (not you) will take care of it for a price. Most mac users are very satisfied. So it's simply reaching different segments of the population. |
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Post by Axis on Jun 16, 2017 14:24:33 GMT -5
I have Cosair DDR3 8192MB 1333 Mhz RAM.
My Target Dram speed in BIOS is 1866 Mhz.
My Target Cache speed in BIOS is 3900 Mhz.
Real time DRAM frequency is about 1862.3 right now.
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Post by KeithL on Jun 16, 2017 15:30:41 GMT -5
To be totally fair, I don't think actual statistics exist. After all, many computers may be infected without their owners even knowing it, many users who do become infected fix the problem themselves and don't report it to anyone, and you would need some way to consider attacks and actual infections separately. Another problem with reporting is that people have a habit of attributing anything that goes wrong with their computer to "a virus". There's also no "central authority" who collects this information anyway, so everybody's really guessing for the most part. (I also wonder, given that many Apple users don't routinely run anti-virus and anti-malware programs, how many of them have virus infections and other malware that they simply haven't noticed yet; not all viruses and other malware produce symptoms.) I suspect there's also a significant difference in the browsing habits between different groups of users - and that may significantly affect both their exposure and their likelihood of becoming infected. For example, just as most Apple users seem satisfied with a limited number of software options, available only from a limited number of sources, I wonder if the "average" Apple user also visits a narrower range of "mainstream commercial websites", and so runs a lower risk of being exposed to viruses and other malware. (I wonder if more Apple users are more like tourists who stick to the well lit streets in the city - and so avoid most of the aspects, good and bad, of the darker streets and more obscure neighborhoods.) Incidentally, I know people who've been using a PC for years, and never become infected with a virus. In all fairness there, if you follow reasonable practices - don't run strange programs, don't open e-mails that you don't recognize, don't run attachments you aren't expecting, and avoid suspicious websites, you're probably pretty safe. I have a few Windows computers that, even without having an anti-virus program installed, have managed to avoid becoming infected..... but, like safe sex, I still recommend taking precautions. Obviously we all have different priorities. For me, the original "deal breakers" against Apple computers were the price, the fact that - at least in the old days - they supported a very limited variety of expansion hardware (only SCSI hard drives; and virtually no non-Apple expansion devices), and that they didn't run many specific programs that I required. A "closed-garden" is OK - as long as you really can get everything you need inside it. (In general, I dislike limitations; but what I really care about is being able to run the programs I want to run rather than being forced to pick from among ones that I don't. In fairness, Apple computers nowadays run far more of the popular business apps than they used to). However, in the early days, it was almost literally true that "any Apple program would run on any Mac". Today, I frequently see instances where a program requires a relatively new Mac with a lot of memory and the latest O/S to run. Hi KeithL - I realize you're trying to "give a balanced picture of PC vs. Mac," but I think you seriously fall short. Although your statistics may be accurate (yes, there ARE more viruses and malware infections with Macs than there used to be), what you neglect to do (utterly and totally) is to compare Mac infections as a percentage of total users to the number of PC infections as a percentage of total users. By that metric, nobody should EVER buy a PC under any circumstances. And although I'm a sample of one, that particular sample is of great importance to me: When I had a PC, I ran a top-rated AV program and updated it religiously. Ditto with anti-malware programs. Despite my good habits, my business PC still ended up infected at a rate of two to three times per year. And when I say "infected," I mean to the point where the machine became unusable and I had to take it to my local computer experts for cleaning. More than one time, I lost data. Talking with friends, I discovered that my experience was not unusual. I also had the experience of restoring from backups and unintentionally restoring viruses and malware that had been previously removed. When I switched to Mac, and kept my Windows OS & applications in a virtual machine that wasn't allowed internet access, I've used the machine for about eight years consecutively without a single issue. The results speak for themselves. As to "Macs don't need AV software," I'd still agree with that statement, although such malicious software is definitely becoming more common. Apple does a good job of watching for viruses/malware and of promptly issuing the appropriate patches to their OS. The updates are free, and if the user allows update-installation as soon as they're issued, the chances of getting a Mac virus are slim - VERY slim. The time may come when running a Mac AV program is required, but I've not yet experienced such a need. So I disagree that Apple and Windows machines are equivalent. I do agree that for some people one or the other is a significantly better choice. I also agree that for the average user, the economy of PCs is highly desirable over the much higher cost of Mac gear. But for me, the computer is a business tool - not a game player, a convenience, or a toy. And for my needs, I'm completely convinced that Apple gear is worth its premium price. YMMV Cordially - Boom |
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Post by garbulky on Jun 16, 2017 15:49:39 GMT -5
Ah... okay, very useful info! So are you saying I'm getting the correct speed out of my ram when speccy says 1600 but my BIOS appears to say 3200. Though when I go deeper in the BIOs it mentions some different speeds. Amazon states that it is 3200 Mhz (not that other way they used to do it with the PC3200 and not state the mhz)....don't know if that makes a difference. It is two double sided sticks. The bus speed is 1600 MHz while the effective data rate (since it is bi-directional) is 2x that. So you are OK. Also the number ram references data rate (MT/s) and not data speed (MHz). Ok good to know. I'll try to post pictures of what I mean so that I can make sure I'm actually telling you the right thing. Anybody know how to get Microsoft Playready 3.0 on windows 10? |
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Post by jamco on Jun 16, 2017 20:40:50 GMT -5
- NETFLIX 4k on the PC & also enabling 3d tv's. I don't know why but I don't think I'm getting Netflix in 4k on windows 10. I do have an HDCP 2.2 HDMI 2.0 monitor - or at least an HDMI 2.0 monitor. And my monitor does playback 4k on Youtube and reports a 4k resolution and "HDCP capability." I've got the 4k netflix package and I'm using edge browser, a 7th gen kabylake intel processor. Also it's the latest windows build. But I see no real indication that I'm watching in 4k. In fact the video motion is not good with noticeable blurring during spoken parts compared to my blu ray player that does 1080p. The scenes are also very dark. Anopther thing my 3d tv when I click "enable 3d tv" displays the 3d mode (put on 3d glasses message and blue led) for a second but no picture, and then it crashes back in to 2d. Enable 3d is checked in my Nvidia dialogue box. The only thing I can think is related to both these is that I have a non 4k, non 3d secondary monitor that's connected. I have told windows to use only the 4k monitor but have not physically disconnected the non 3d monitor. RAM SPEED HALF OF WHAT IT SHOULD BE Corsair 16GB 3200 Mhz ram giving only 1600 Mhz I have enabled XMP and the PC recognizes that it is DDR 3200 in the BIOS though it doesn't say what clock speed it's going at. But Speccy, the windows app reports that the RAM is 1600 Mhz. I've seen people on amazon comment on custom configuring this RAM. I just have had no experience. My Motherboard ASROCK 270 pro 4 is supposed to support this speed (and higher). I have it in RAm slots 2 and 4 (A2 and B2) which is apparently priority 2. Slots 1 and 3 being priority 1. I don't know if that's an issue. I moved it to 2 instead of 1 because 1 was very close to the hot processor and I just wanted to give it some space. Here is the RAM www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-3200MHz-Desktop-Memory/dp/B0143UM4TC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1497623931&sr=8-1&keywords=corsair+3200Motherboard link (states that the Corsair 3200 8gb modules are suipported - same model number CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 . I have two of these) www.asrock.com.tw/MB/Intel/Z270%20Pro4/index.asp#Memory
garbulky,
I’m glad you checked with the manufacturer on memory compatibility with this motherboard before purchasing as that’s half the battle. The second half is sometimes auto configuration doesn’t work (e.g. half speed) with certain motherboard and memory combinations despite the fact that they are tested by the manufacturer. Try this manual configuration process.
Read this article on Memory Timings. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_timings
Double-check that this link is to your motherboard model number and manual. asrock.pc.cdn.bitgravity.com/Manual/Z270%20Pro4.pdf
These memory timings are also discussed in your motherboard's manual under Primary Timing on page 51, but use slightly different terms than Wikipedia.
Double-check that this link is to your memory part number. www.corsair.com/en-us/vengeance-lpx-16gb-2x8gb-ddr4-dram-3200mhz-c16-memory-kit-black-cmk16gx4m2b3200c16
Within your memory's webpage (above), double-check these are your memory’s technical specifications.
1) Speed: 3200 MHz
2) Tested Latency (a.k.a. Memory Timing): 16-18-18-36
3) Voltage: 1.35V
ONLY PROCEED if you understand your 4 memory timing values.
Boot up your computer and enter the BIOS configuration screen.
Manually set the following values from above.
1) Memory Speed (not Auto)
2) Tested Latency (4 memory timing values)
3) Voltage
Save the configuration and reboot.
Validate your memory speed is running at 3200 MHz.
Reply back with your results.
Best of luck!
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Post by garbulky on Jun 16, 2017 21:07:57 GMT -5
- NETFLIX 4k on the PC & also enabling 3d tv's. I don't know why but I don't think I'm getting Netflix in 4k on windows 10. I do have an HDCP 2.2 HDMI 2.0 monitor - or at least an HDMI 2.0 monitor. And my monitor does playback 4k on Youtube and reports a 4k resolution and "HDCP capability." I've got the 4k netflix package and I'm using edge browser, a 7th gen kabylake intel processor. Also it's the latest windows build. But I see no real indication that I'm watching in 4k. In fact the video motion is not good with noticeable blurring during spoken parts compared to my blu ray player that does 1080p. The scenes are also very dark. Anopther thing my 3d tv when I click "enable 3d tv" displays the 3d mode (put on 3d glasses message and blue led) for a second but no picture, and then it crashes back in to 2d. Enable 3d is checked in my Nvidia dialogue box. The only thing I can think is related to both these is that I have a non 4k, non 3d secondary monitor that's connected. I have told windows to use only the 4k monitor but have not physically disconnected the non 3d monitor. RAM SPEED HALF OF WHAT IT SHOULD BE Corsair 16GB 3200 Mhz ram giving only 1600 Mhz I have enabled XMP and the PC recognizes that it is DDR 3200 in the BIOS though it doesn't say what clock speed it's going at. But Speccy, the windows app reports that the RAM is 1600 Mhz. I've seen people on amazon comment on custom configuring this RAM. I just have had no experience. My Motherboard ASROCK 270 pro 4 is supposed to support this speed (and higher). I have it in RAm slots 2 and 4 (A2 and B2) which is apparently priority 2. Slots 1 and 3 being priority 1. I don't know if that's an issue. I moved it to 2 instead of 1 because 1 was very close to the hot processor and I just wanted to give it some space. Here is the RAM www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-3200MHz-Desktop-Memory/dp/B0143UM4TC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1497623931&sr=8-1&keywords=corsair+3200Motherboard link (states that the Corsair 3200 8gb modules are suipported - same model number CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 . I have two of these) www.asrock.com.tw/MB/Intel/Z270%20Pro4/index.asp#Memory
garbulky,
I’m glad you checked with the manufacturer on memory compatibility with this motherboard before purchasing as that’s half the battle. The second half is sometimes auto configuration doesn’t work (e.g. half speed) with certain motherboard and memory combinations despite the fact that they are tested by the manufacturer. Try this manual configuration process.
Read this article on Memory Timings. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_timings
Double-check that this link is to your motherboard model number and manual. asrock.pc.cdn.bitgravity.com/Manual/Z270%20Pro4.pdf
These memory timings are also discussed in your motherboard's manual under Primary Timing on page 51, but use slightly different terms than Wikipedia.
Double-check that this link is to your memory part number. www.corsair.com/en-us/vengeance-lpx-16gb-2x8gb-ddr4-dram-3200mhz-c16-memory-kit-black-cmk16gx4m2b3200c16
Within your memory's webpage (above), double-check these are your memory’s technical specifications.
1) Speed: 3200 MHz
2) Tested Latency (a.k.a. Memory Timing): 16-18-18-36
3) Voltage: 1.35V
ONLY PROCEED if you understand your 4 memory timing values.
Boot up your computer and enter the BIOS configuration screen.
Manually set the following values from above.
1) Memory Speed (not Auto)
2) Tested Latency (4 memory timing values)
3) Voltage
Save the configuration and reboot.
Validate your memory speed is running at 3200 MHz.
Reply back with your results.
Best of luck!
Hi....this is very helpful. Yes that is the correct memory and motherboard as you linked. Okay...now I do not understand what my 4 memory timing values are or what they mean. However I think I see in the BIOS where I can adjust them. I shall post the picture of my current screens hopefully tonight or tomorrow before proceeding. (Or I may decide to be foolish and proceed blindly lol!!  ) |
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Post by Axis on Jun 16, 2017 22:03:35 GMT -5
Garbulky as soon as you have your BIOS set up like you want, you should be able to save a profile and name it. That way if things get reset you can load that profile and all your settings will change back to how you want it. There are more things than your RAM to set up in your BIOS and there should be a widows like interface with it so you understand what you are doing with everything. Did you load all the support software for your Motherboard ?
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Post by Axis on Jun 16, 2017 22:23:26 GMT -5
Also check your BIOS version for current. I had to update my BIOS on my motherboard just after I got it.
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Post by garbulky on Jun 17, 2017 0:07:17 GMT -5
jamco Axis bootman KeithLOkay here are pictures from my BIOS This is the start screen  This is what I get when I click on A2 (that's the second slot starting from the left side with the orientation of the processor on top)  This is what I get when I click on B2 (that's the fourth and last slot)  Here is what I see when I start windows 10 and run Speccy program  So this is a bit confusing. On the bios screen it appears to show these modules running at different clock speeds. Not sure what that even means. But it does show the timing that jamco mentioned 16-18-18-36 under the XMP 1 tab on the second and third picture. It also shows it on the first picture and speccy. Now I can actually click on that tab in the 2nd and 3rd picture that shows those specific timings and it will highlight them - almost like I was "selecting them". However, it looks like according to the very first picture that these are already selected. As you can see, Speccy reports half the speed 1600 mhz . So my question is....what am I doing really?
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Post by Boomzilla on Jun 17, 2017 5:32:13 GMT -5
To be totally fair, I don't think actual statistics exist. After all, many computers may be infected without their owners even knowing it, many users who do become infected fix the problem themselves and don't report it to anyone, and you would need some way to consider attacks and actual infections separately. Another problem with reporting is that people have a habit of attributing anything that goes wrong with their computer to "a virus". There's also no "central authority" who collects this information anyway, so everybody's really guessing for the most part. (I also wonder, given that many Apple users don't routinely run anti-virus and anti-malware programs, how many of them have virus infections and other malware that they simply haven't noticed yet; not all viruses and other malware produce symptoms.) I suspect there's also a significant difference in the browsing habits between different groups of users - and that may significantly affect both their exposure and their likelihood of becoming infected. For example, just as most Apple users seem satisfied with a limited number of software options, available only from a limited number of sources, I wonder if the "average" Apple user also visits a narrower range of "mainstream commercial websites", and so runs a lower risk of being exposed to viruses and other malware. (I wonder if more Apple users are more like tourists who stick to the well lit streets in the city - and so avoid most of the aspects, good and bad, of the darker streets and more obscure neighborhoods.) Incidentally, I know people who've been using a PC for years, and never become infected with a virus. In all fairness there, if you follow reasonable practices - don't run strange programs, don't open e-mails that you don't recognize, don't run attachments you aren't expecting, and avoid suspicious websites, you're probably pretty safe. I have a few Windows computers that, even without having an anti-virus program installed, have managed to avoid becoming infected..... but, like safe sex, I still recommend taking precautions. Obviously we all have different priorities. For me, the original "deal breakers" against Apple computers were the price, the fact that - at least in the old days - they supported a very limited variety of expansion hardware (only SCSI hard drives; and virtually no non-Apple expansion devices), and that they didn't run many specific programs that I required. A "closed-garden" is OK - as long as you really can get everything you need inside it. (In general, I dislike limitations; but what I really care about is being able to run the programs I want to run rather than being forced to pick from among ones that I don't. In fairness, Apple computers nowadays run far more of the popular business apps than they used to). However, in the early days, it was almost literally true that "any Apple program would run on any Mac". Today, I frequently see instances where a program requires a relatively new Mac with a lot of memory and the latest O/S to run. Agreed - point for point. My only quibble might be that malware without any symptoms is usually a "Trojan," but "Komplex" and "Proton" are the only two Trojans that I've ever heard of that affect Macs. |
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Post by jamco on Jun 17, 2017 9:44:47 GMT -5
garbulky,
Nice catch, Axis! Yes, make sure you're running the current BIOS version for your motherboard. So, if you’re not current, address this first.
Your screenshots are helpful and validate your ASRock motherboard has properly configured your DDR4 memory sticks.
I haven’t used Speccy so frankly I’m not sure what it is reporting for the memory without digging into it. Perhaps we could just measure your memory performance instead and compare these measurements by Corsair memory make and model# to several other workstations that have been posted to the PassMark website. I’ve used PassMark for years to assess the performance of each component of my workstation builds.
This morning PassMark currently has 1,364 test examples for your Corsair memory make and model#. Again, please verify your model#.
www.memorybenchmark.net/ram.php?ram=Corsair+CMK16GX4M2B3200C16+8GB&id=7966
Please keep in mind that the top PassMark memory performance scores may been generated by higher performance motherboards and processors with nearly all components being overclocked by a workstation enthusiast. Fortunately, you can scroll to the bottom of the webpage to see the workstation build components of the last 5 posted performance measurements, all of which were posted today. Compare your memory performance to a post that best represents your processor and motherboard. This alternate approach will be a good ballpark indicator if you are achieving the expected memory performance.
You can download the software here for a 30-day evaluation to perform your memory test. The program is a great value at $25. Moreover, it supports their ongoing development efforts. I'm not affiliated with PassMark.
www.passmark.com/products/pt.htm
In addition, you may want to see how your other workstation build components measure up on performance (e.g. video card).
Reply back with your results.
Best of luck!
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Post by Axis on Jun 17, 2017 13:29:11 GMT -5
I have no ideal what this Speccy program is but it is not showing you what your RAM is doing. There should be a Windows control program for your ASRock motherboard that comes with your motherboard to control everything and tell you real time information on your motherboard CPU, power supply and fans. Where is that ? Also there should be instructions for it. If you have not done so you need to go to ASRock site and go to the page for your motherboard and read and download all software, instructions and updates. You should do updates before you do anything. This is not my ASUS AI Suite 3 but a picture off the internet. I would think ASRock has software that does these things for there motherboard.  |
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Post by Axis on Jun 17, 2017 14:19:56 GMT -5
garbulky,
Nice catch, Axis! Yes, make sure you're running the current BIOS version for your motherboard. So, if you’re not current, address this first.
Your screenshots are helpful and validate your ASRock motherboard has properly configured your DDR4 memory sticks.
I haven’t used Speccy so frankly I’m not sure what it is reporting for the memory without digging into it. Perhaps we could just measure your memory performance instead and compare these measurements by Corsair memory make and model# to several other workstations that have been posted to the PassMark website. I’ve used PassMark for years to assess the performance of each component of my workstation builds.
This morning PassMark currently has 1,364 test examples for your Corsair memory make and model#. Again, please verify your model#.
www.memorybenchmark.net/ram.php?ram=Corsair+CMK16GX4M2B3200C16+8GB&id=7966
Please keep in mind that the top PassMark memory performance scores may been generated by higher performance motherboards and processors with nearly all components being overclocked by a workstation enthusiast. Fortunately, you can scroll to the bottom of the webpage to see the workstation build components of the last 5 posted performance measurements, all of which were posted today. Compare your memory performance to a post that best represents your processor and motherboard. This alternate approach will be a good ballpark indicator if you are achieving the expected memory performance.
You can download the software here for a 30-day evaluation to perform your memory test. The program is a great value at $25. Moreover, it supports their ongoing development efforts. I'm not affiliated with PassMark.
www.passmark.com/products/pt.htm
In addition, you may want to see how your other workstation build components measure up on performance (e.g. video card).
Reply back with your results.
Best of luck!
Thanks, I see you saying about the same thing I am but there needs to be Motherboard specific software. Not the Benchmark stuff. Guys there are so many things you can do with a computer it is silly. There are people just like here with audio gear that are racing there CPU's and fighting over it. First thing garbulky needs to do is find out what his RAM is doing in Windows 10. If he has his RAM XMP engaged in his BIOS it overrides all other settings for his RAM and takes control of the frequency. XMP will boost it. Now we need to know what the accurate real time DRAM frequency is with Windows 10 operating. BIOS does not give you that. |
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Post by Axis on Jun 17, 2017 14:31:23 GMT -5
Wait a minute. garbulky in this picture it shows you are using Profile 1. It is highlighted on both the Profile 1 description and the block below. XMP Profile is dark and if selected should be in the RAM Information above instead of just Profile 1 description with the speed and timings. What happens if you click on XMP Profile. Or is this just your XMP Profile 1 and that is how it reads when engaged ? |
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Post by garbulky on Jun 18, 2017 19:34:26 GMT -5
Wait a minute. garbulky in this picture it shows you are using Profile 1. It is highlighted on both the Profile 1 description and the block below. XMP Profile is dark and if selected should be in the RAM Information above instead of just Profile 1 description with the speed and timings. What happens if you click on XMP Profile. Or is this just your XMP Profile 1 and that is how it reads when engaged ? The start screen was the picture that you see in the BIOS setup. It used to say auto on XMP but then I got a RAM speed that was slower. I clicked on XMP and it set to profile 1. Priform speccy is a windows 10 program that tells me things like what my computer is doing. Here is the page from the RAM settings on speccy. RAM Memory slots Total memory slots 4 Used memory slots 2 Free memory slots 2 Memory Type Unknown Size 16384 MBytes Channels # Dual DRAM Frequency 1600.1 MHz CAS# Latency (CL) 16 clocks RAS# to CAS# Delay (tRCD) 18 clocks RAS# Precharge (tRP) 18 clocks Cycle Time (tRAS) 36 clocks Command Rate (CR) 2T Physical Memory Memory Usage 22 % Total Physical 16 GB Available Physical 12 GB Total Virtual 18 GB Available Virtual 14 GB SPD Number Of SPD Modules 2 Slot #1 Type Unknown Size 8192 MBytes Manufacturer Corsair Max Bandwidth DDR4-2132 (1066 MHz) Part Number CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 SPD Ext. XMP Timing table Frequency CAS# Latency RAS# To CAS# RAS# Precharge tRAS tRC Voltage JEDEC #1 666.7 MHz 9.0 9 10 22 31 1.200 V JEDEC #2 740.7 MHz 10.0 10 11 25 35 1.200 V JEDEC #3 814.8 MHz 11.0 11 12 27 38 1.200 V JEDEC #4 888.9 MHz 12.0 12 13 30 42 1.200 V JEDEC #5 963.0 MHz 13.0 13 14 32 45 1.200 V JEDEC #6 1037.0 MHz 14.0 14 15 35 49 1.200 V JEDEC #7 1066.1 MHz 15.0 15 15 36 50 1.200 V JEDEC #8 1066.1 MHz 16.0 15 15 36 50 1.200 V XMP-3200 1600 MHz 16.0 18 18 36 1.350 V Slot #2 Type Unknown Size 8192 MBytes Manufacturer Corsair Max Bandwidth DDR4-2132 (1066 MHz) Part Number CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 SPD Ext. XMP Timing table Frequency CAS# Latency RAS# To CAS# RAS# Precharge tRAS tRC Voltage JEDEC #1 666.7 MHz 9.0 9 10 22 31 1.200 V JEDEC #2 740.7 MHz 10.0 10 11 25 35 1.200 V JEDEC #3 814.8 MHz 11.0 11 12 27 38 1.200 V JEDEC #4 888.9 MHz 12.0 12 13 30 42 1.200 V JEDEC #5 963.0 MHz 13.0 13 14 32 45 1.200 V JEDEC #6 1037.0 MHz 14.0 14 15 35 49 1.200 V JEDEC #7 1066.1 MHz 15.0 15 15 36 50 1.200 V JEDEC #8 1066.1 MHz 16.0 15 15 36 50 1.200 V XMP-3200 1600 MHz 16.0 18 18 36 1.350 V |
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Post by garbulky on Jun 18, 2017 20:00:07 GMT -5
Axis - I would never take you for a fool! Just providing additional info as I find it. It does look like XMP is enabled from the config. I am hesitant to install additional software on to my PC being as I am unfamiliar with it. My Corsair watercool setup also has some software that I haven't installed yet. I may later install the software. Just not right now.
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