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Post by monkumonku on Jun 2, 2017 16:57:17 GMT -5
How much does this thing weigh?
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Post by Axis on Jun 2, 2017 17:10:53 GMT -5
How much does this thing weigh? The 300 watts per channel Gen 3 modules are about 4 lbs. each. If you double the weight for each 600 watts per channel Gen 3 modules then with three of them the whole thing should weigh about 50 lbs. |
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Post by monkumonku on Jun 2, 2017 17:12:55 GMT -5
How much does this thing weigh? The 300 watts per channel Gen 3 modules are about 4 lbs. each. If you double the weight for each 600 watts per channel Gen 3 modules then with three of them the whole thing should weigh about 50 lbs. Not like 3 XPA-1's, then. I was thinking it might be like a henway. |
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Post by Axis on Jun 2, 2017 17:17:23 GMT -5
The 300 watts per channel Gen 3 modules are about 4 lbs. each. If you double the weight for each 600 watts per channel Gen 3 modules then with three of them the whole thing should weigh about 50 lbs. Not like 3 XPA-1's, then. I was thinking it might be like a henway. What's a henway ?  |
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Post by monkumonku on Jun 2, 2017 17:25:38 GMT -5
Not like 3 XPA-1's, then. I was thinking it might be like a henway. What's a henway ? Oh about $12.00 an hour. Oh wait - that's a Grecian urn.  Henway is where the Red Sox play. |
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Post by Jim on Jun 2, 2017 19:48:14 GMT -5
How are they monoblocks if they share the same power supply, again? It sounds a lot like a 1 2 or 3 channel amp. Well, if you have 1 of the blades in 1 chassis, that is clearly a monoblock. If you put 2 into 1 chassis and 2 into another, and use each "block/chassis" to power 1 speaker (bi-amped), I guess that could be called a monoblock bi-amped setup. And if 3 per chassis and 1 chassis per speaker...then "monoblock tri-amped setup". But, as soon as you have 1 chassis feeding >1 speaker...that's not a monoblock to me. Mark I just don't see the differnce between this and say... aXPA3. It's one power supply driving multiple independent modules. It's like saying a XPA1 is a monoblock (which it is) but also claiming a XPA-3 is. I mean., why not call the XPA gen-3 a modular monoblock amp? Or the MPA-1? I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm just wondering if the term is being.... misused. |
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Post by lehighvalleyjeff on Jun 2, 2017 19:50:37 GMT -5
Mono 1. one; alone; single. •with an extreme, singular character to the point of dominance or exclusion. Technically monoblocks are one power supply and one channel. Each channel module is a mono channel and used with a single chassis power supply is a monoblock. If you use more than one of the mono channel modules with the same single chassis power supply then novisnick will not let you be a member of his Monoblock society. I say screw Nick and load your chassis with three 600 watt mono channel modules and feed three power hungry speakers with it. Tell everyone you have a space saving single chassis amplifier that has three powerful 600 watt channels that rocks and call it a XPA Modular Power Amplifier. Rules be da rules! As voted on by " The Society "
Second that! Rules are rules |
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Post by Jim on Jun 2, 2017 20:38:56 GMT -5
Modular Emotiva monoblocks:
BPA-1
UPA-1
XPA-1 (or XPA Gen-3 with 1 channel)
XPA-1L
XPR-1
What am I forgetting?
Want more modules, buy more amps :-)
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Post by Axis on Jun 2, 2017 20:49:24 GMT -5
The 600 watt monoblock modules are balanced just like the XPA-1 is. According to Keith the single power supply keep the 600 watt monoblock modules nice and balanced and provide a quite low noise floor. This is what the XPA-1 does.
Monoblocks offer better channel separation than traditional stereo amps. I would think that the modules being differential balanced would benefit the signal channel separation. They may possibly perform as well as the XPA-1. Is there a point where performance of new designs of amplifiers that use modules and common power supplies no longer differ from a true monoblock ? Monoblocks may be a statement piece of gear for those that enjoy them and also those who need the high output but we may find that with new gear, monoblock audio performance does not need to be a monoblock.
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Post by novisnick on Jun 2, 2017 20:56:34 GMT -5
The 600 watt monoblock modules are balanced just like the XPA-1 is. According to Keith the single power supply keep the 600 watt monoblock modules nice and balanced and provide a quite low noise floor. This is what the XPA-1 does. Monoblocks offer better channel separation than traditional stereo amps. I would think that the modules being differential balanced would benefit the signal channel separation. They may possibly perform as well as the XPA-1. Is there a point where performance of new designs of amplifiers that use modules and common power supplies no longer differ from a true monoblock ? Monoblocks may be a statement piece of gear for those that enjoy them and also those who need the high output but we may find that with new gear, monoblock audio performance does not need to be a monoblock. may need these guys!   |
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Post by Axis on Jun 2, 2017 21:06:34 GMT -5
The 600 watt monoblock modules are balanced just like the XPA-1 is. According to Keith the single power supply keep the 600 watt monoblock modules nice and balanced and provide a quite low noise floor. This is what the XPA-1 does. Monoblocks offer better channel separation than traditional stereo amps. I would think that the modules being differential balanced would benefit the signal channel separation. They may possibly perform as well as the XPA-1. Is there a point where performance of new designs of amplifiers that use modules and common power supplies no longer differ from a true monoblock ? Monoblocks may be a statement piece of gear for those that enjoy them and also those who need the high output but we may find that with new gear, monoblock audio performance does not need to be a monoblock. may need these guys! I am trying to save the planet Nick. All you Monoblock Society members are polluting the Earth with your power hungry amps. This is serious stuff dude ! |
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Post by teaman on Jun 2, 2017 21:40:29 GMT -5
Throwing this out there although I mentioned it prior. Since this new better than anything before it mono block modular amp is four pounds why not house each in it's own chassis and sell them as mono block amps? Something along the line of the Marantz MA500 and MA700. Kenwood l05m  or Denon POA-6600 amps  I mean what purpose does it serve to put 3lb or 6lb mono amps in a full chassis and make people scramble to fit multiple amps into their listening areas>? |
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Post by Jim on Jun 2, 2017 22:06:36 GMT -5
The 600 watt monoblock modules are balanced just like the XPA-1 is. According to Keith the single power supply keep the 600 watt monoblock modules nice and balanced and provide a quite low noise floor. This is what the XPA-1 does. Monoblocks offer better channel separation than traditional stereo amps. I would think that the modules being differential balanced would benefit the signal channel separation. They may possibly perform as well as the XPA-1. Is there a point where performance of new designs of amplifiers that use modules and common power supplies no longer differ from a true monoblock ? Monoblocks may be a statement piece of gear for those that enjoy them and also those who need the high output but we may find that with new gear, monoblock audio performance does not need to be a monoblock. I agree that it probably performs as well as two completely separate amps with completely separate power supplies.... the purist part of me still balks at the word being used. I wonder though, what's the crosstalk look like? With true monoblocks.... you don't have *any*. What I don't understand is how is this fundamentally different than older multichannel amp offerings? Emotiva has used modularity for almost all multichannel amps (modular in internal design - not in user access). Were there certain elements that were shared by modules - and are isolated in this design? I'm not really concerned though. I'm sure the performance is amazing. |
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Post by bolle on Jun 3, 2017 3:23:22 GMT -5
A monoblock for me is not only one channel of amplification paired with one dedicated power supply in one chassis. It is also MORE powerful than all other amps in its line, measuring better - simply the top of the pops, the cherry on the icing on the cake, the 3rd beef patty with quadruple bacon and a truckload of cheese on my burger.
So just psychologically it feels kinda lame that you have no benefit powerwise going single amp module in a single chassis. A dedicated monoblock just has to stand out!
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Post by Loop 7 on Jun 3, 2017 4:13:20 GMT -5
I assume a 600 watt mono block would only be needed if one is driving electrostatic speakers or are there other reasons?
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Post by bolle on Jun 3, 2017 4:41:49 GMT -5
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Post by leonski on Jun 3, 2017 11:59:08 GMT -5
I assume a 600 watt mono block would only be needed if one is driving electrostatic speakers or are there other reasons? depends entirely on how capable the amp was in driving what is almost certainly a wildly reactive (looks like a capacitor or inductor) load. A bad 600 watt amp (measured into a resistor, the easy way) might actually NOT deliver as much power as a 200 watt amp, which is highly capable into such weird loads. A 600 watt amp MIGHT be needed for the very lowest sensitivity speakers in larger spaces. And don't forget that multiple amps of that type which are plugged in together, might actually benefit from a 20 amp circuit. Or multiple circuits. House circuits are 'derated' 20% for continuous duty. So that 15 amp circuit might only be rated for 12 amps (about 1400 watts) when driven to limits. And 'continuously'. Also slightly unlikely in most homes, unless driving a space heater! I'd like to add some good news / bad news First: The demands of the high frequencies of an electrostatic are large. But mainly due to phase angle issues. A straight reading of the needs of music above about 10khz is that represents 15% or so of energy required. At the same time, the amp is required to amplify it ALL. Unless a low cut filter to the amp is applied, or other active line-level crossover. So, even if an amp were less than capable driving a 'stat, it may still have enough actual, delivered power to work. Many 'Stats are biamped and have a built-in LF driver, amp and crossover. |
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Post by chipless on Jun 22, 2017 10:58:43 GMT -5
I apologize if I missed the announcement, but any rough ideas as to the release date of the Three.MB amp along with anticipated pricing?
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Post by roadwar on Jun 22, 2017 14:16:25 GMT -5
Coming soon......"this summer"
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Post by pedrocols on Jun 22, 2017 14:54:53 GMT -5
Summer started officially yesterday here where I live. Maybe where you live is different...😎
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