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Post by novisnick on Mar 26, 2019 22:58:28 GMT -5
Couldn’t keep the price point where everyone wanted it without hurting / killing the SQ. Many waiting for this unit also wanted bells and whistles that just couldn’t be done within reason. Many were looking forward to this unit, myself included but sadly won’t be for sale. Would anybody spend $1,000.00 for a great sounding DC-2 ? What would it have, ( bells & or whistles) to incorporate to make you buy? Doubtful at that price. They would probably want to make it a bigger chassis if they want a chance Thats just another reason its been shelved. Or maybe a full 1U DAC like the XDA-2. 🤔  |
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Post by garbulky on Mar 27, 2019 1:49:45 GMT -5
Doubtful at that price. They would probably want to make it a bigger chassis if they want a chance Thats just another reason its been shelved. Or maybe a full 1U DAC like the XDA-2. 🤔 Yes! Something like this would be more like it. Except you are still going to have the issue of it costing much more than the XDA-2. Where did you get this information? |
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Post by Loop 7 on Mar 27, 2019 2:40:28 GMT -5
Would anybody spend $1,000.00 for a great sounding DC-2 ? It's a really good question but I, personally, think there are so many really compelling DACs under $500 so it would have to remarkable. Also to note, I have a slightly sour taste in my mouth when it comes to Emotiva DACs - My XDA-2 took a nose dive a few months after warranty expired and my first DC-1's display stopped working (repaired under warranty) so I sold the DC-1. I'm using a LittleEgo on my desk (sounds great) and a Meridian DAC in my living room while I save up for a PS Audio DAC (I've become a believer in FPGA DACs versus the conventional approach). |
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Post by garbulky on Mar 27, 2019 5:11:08 GMT -5
Would anybody spend $1,000.00 for a great sounding DC-2 ? It's a really good question but I, personally, think there are so many really compelling DACs under $500 so it would have to remarkable. Also to note, I have a slightly sour tasted in my mouth when it comes to Emotiva DACs - My XDA-2 took a nose dive a few months after warranty expired and my first DC-1's display stopped working (repaired under warranty) so I sold the DC-1. I'm using a LittleEgo on my desk (sounds great) and a Meridian DAC in my living room while I save up for a PS Audio DAC (I've become a believer in FPGA DACs versus the conventional approach). For me the only things that would convince me to go big bucks is a different approach to dacs like multibit or FPGA for example. But delta sigma units? Hmmm, I would likely have to audition them. I've heard at least three really nice ones (DC-1, Rega, Mytek Liberty) and I'm sure there's more. Right now my DC-1 satisfies me for sound quality, only bested by my 1990 Denon Mulitibit CD player (sigh, I know, right  ) That's why I'm waiting on Schiit to get their Schiit together to put a remote control on their Ygdrassil DACs so I can use it as the music/HT center in my living room with multiple input sources. |
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Post by KeithL on Mar 27, 2019 9:21:37 GMT -5
I would worry less about how pretty the connectors are and more about how it actually sounds. (I haven't personally heard the Jotunheim, but I would have expected more from the Monoprice unit...)
Wow hehe, thank you, however, the chinch connectors look quite cheap. Was thinking of an unit with good gold plated inputs and I look for a Coaxial Input Selector Switch that has the same kind of quality. Any suggestions? It appears that if you look inside the DC-1 of Emotiva had better parts in it, so I guess it is still worth waiting. |
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Post by klinemj on Mar 27, 2019 11:53:47 GMT -5
I would worry less about how pretty the connectors are and more about how it actually sounds. (I haven't personally heard the Jotunheim, but I would have expected more from the Monoprice unit...)
Wow hehe, thank you, however, the chinch connectors look quite cheap. Was thinking of an unit with good gold plated inputs and I look for a Coaxial Input Selector Switch that has the same kind of quality. Any suggestions? It appears that if you look inside the DC-1 of Emotiva had better parts in it, so I guess it is still worth waiting. So, is the DC-2 still on the books to do (or at least some type of high end DAC to replace the DC-1)? Mark |
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Post by klinemj on Mar 29, 2019 20:10:50 GMT -5
No mention on today's podcast. Actually, no mention of much at all.
Oh well...it is what it is.
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Post by novisnick on Mar 29, 2019 21:00:39 GMT -5
No mention on today's podcast. Actually, no mention of much at all. Oh well...it is what it is. Mark I’ve already informed the forum. Shelved. |
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Post by klinemj on Mar 30, 2019 8:01:27 GMT -5
No mention on today's podcast. Actually, no mention of much at all. Oh well...it is what it is. Mark I’ve already informed the forum. Shelved. I saw that note and was meaning to ask...how did you find that out? Any idea if they plan to do another DAC at all? Mark |
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Post by novisnick on Mar 30, 2019 9:18:23 GMT -5
I’ve already informed the forum. Shelved. I saw that note and was meaning to ask...how did you find that out? Any idea if they plan to do another DAC at all? Mark I can’t jeopardize my mole but his / her information has always proved reliable. The pricepoint that everyone has been asking for cannot be achieved with the SQ Emotiva wants to reach. So they have decided to shelve it. A $1,000.00 PP is what was internally discussed for the DC-2. Anybody willing to go there or higher for the next Emotiva SOTA DAC? |
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Post by klinemj on Mar 30, 2019 11:14:14 GMT -5
I saw that note and was meaning to ask...how did you find that out? Any idea if they plan to do another DAC at all? Mark I can’t jeopardize my mole but his / her information has always proved reliable. The pricepoint that everyone has been asking for cannot be achieved with the SQ Emotiva wants to reach. So they have decided to shelve it. A $1,000.00 PP is what was internally discussed for the DC-2. Anybody willing to go there or higher for the next Emotiva SOTA DAC? I would pay $1000 for a DAC if it competed in sound quality with the ones a lot of us here are getting, like the products from Schiit, Mytek, Chord, and my rare but awesome LH Labs Geek Pulse X Infinity. I had my doubts that what they were planning would compete with those. Still, I'm surprised they don't have a single DAC on the cart right now. (Note: I would not want to see them do what they did with the DC-1...launch at a high price, then fairly quickly (after I just bought the high priced one) drop the price considerably. I think the drop was around $200.) I also think MQA must be a strong consideration for any new DAC, as well as being Roon Ready. Heck, if a $35 R-Pi can be Roon ready, I would think they could build a $1000 DAC that is. Mark |
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Post by chicagorspec on Mar 30, 2019 18:03:54 GMT -5
I can’t jeopardize my mole but his / her information has always proved reliable. The pricepoint that everyone has been asking for cannot be achieved with the SQ Emotiva wants to reach. So they have decided to shelve it. A $1,000.00 PP is what was internally discussed for the DC-2. Anybody willing to go there or higher for the next Emotiva SOTA DAC? I would pay $1000 for a DAC if it competed in sound quality with the ones a lot of us here are getting, like the products from Schiit, Mytek, Chord, and my rare but awesome LH Labs Geek Pulse X Infinity. I had my doubts that what they were planning would compete with those. Still, I'm surprised they don't have a single DAC on the cart right now. (Note: I would not want to see them do what they did with the DC-1...launch at a high price, then fairly quickly (after I just bought the high priced one) drop the price considerably. I think the drop was around $200.) I also think MQA must be a strong consideration for any new DAC, as well as being Roon Ready. Heck, if a $35 R-Pi can be Roon ready, I would think they could build a $1000 DAC that is. Mark Yes, the DC-1 rapid price drop was $200, from $699 to $499. You gotta pay to live on the bleeding edge as you do, Mark!  |
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Post by Loop 7 on Mar 31, 2019 1:29:47 GMT -5
I would pay $1000 for a DAC if it competed in sound quality with the ones a lot of us here are getting, like the products from Schiit, Mytek, Chord, and my rare but awesome LH Labs Geek Pulse X Infinity. I had my doubts that what they were planning would compete with those. Still, I'm surprised they don't have a single DAC on the cart right now. (Note: I would not want to see them do what they did with the DC-1...launch at a high price, then fairly quickly (after I just bought the high priced one) drop the price considerably. I think the drop was around $200.) I also think MQA must be a strong consideration for any new DAC, as well as being Roon Ready. Heck, if a $35 R-Pi can be Roon ready, I would think they could build a $1000 DAC that is. Agree but you comment potentially makes another point which is maybe the DAC market is getting really crowded with so many excellent products competing for customers. |
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Post by klinemj on Mar 31, 2019 8:49:57 GMT -5
I would pay $1000 for a DAC if it competed in sound quality with the ones a lot of us here are getting, like the products from Schiit, Mytek, Chord, and my rare but awesome LH Labs Geek Pulse X Infinity. I had my doubts that what they were planning would compete with those. Still, I'm surprised they don't have a single DAC on the cart right now. (Note: I would not want to see them do what they did with the DC-1...launch at a high price, then fairly quickly (after I just bought the high priced one) drop the price considerably. I think the drop was around $200.) I also think MQA must be a strong consideration for any new DAC, as well as being Roon Ready. Heck, if a $35 R-Pi can be Roon ready, I would think they could build a $1000 DAC that is. Agree but you comment potentially makes another point which is maybe the DAC market is getting really crowded with so many excellent products competing for customers. The same could be said about the speaker market, and many others... Mark |
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Post by Raven on Mar 31, 2019 22:59:01 GMT -5
]For me the only things that would convince me to go big bucks is a different approach to dacs like multibit or FPGA for example. But delta sigma units? Hmmm, I would likely have to audition them. I've heard at least three really nice ones (DC-1, Rega, Mytek Liberty) and I'm sure there's more. Right now my DC-1 satisfies me for sound quality, only bested by my 1990 Denon Mulitibit CD player (sigh, I know, right ) That's why I'm waiting on Schiit to get their Schiit together to put a remote control on their Ygdrassil DACs so I can use it as the music/HT center in my living room with multiple input sources. I would add to this list Pro-Ject Pre Box S2. It's got ESS flagship Sabre Pro ES9038 dual chip, for $400 not bad and Holo Audio – Spring 2 DAC lots of rave reviews |
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Post by garbulky on Apr 1, 2019 0:11:25 GMT -5
]For me the only things that would convince me to go big bucks is a different approach to dacs like multibit or FPGA for example. But delta sigma units? Hmmm, I would likely have to audition them. I've heard at least three really nice ones (DC-1, Rega, Mytek Liberty) and I'm sure there's more. Right now my DC-1 satisfies me for sound quality, only bested by my 1990 Denon Mulitibit CD player (sigh, I know, right ) That's why I'm waiting on Schiit to get their Schiit together to put a remote control on their Ygdrassil DACs so I can use it as the music/HT center in my living room with multiple input sources. I would add to this list Pro-Ject Pre Box S2. It's got ESS flagship Sabre Pro ES9038 dual chip, for $400 not bad and Holo Audio – Spring 2 DAC lots of rave reviews I really want to listen to the Holo SPrings! |
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Post by Raven on Apr 1, 2019 1:18:12 GMT -5
I would add to this list Pro-Ject Pre Box S2. It's got ESS flagship Sabre Pro ES9038 dual chip, for $400 not bad and Holo Audio – Spring 2 DAC lots of rave reviews I really want to listen to the Holo SPrings! Me too. If I can afford I probably would get KTE version ($2698.00). Even it doesn't decode MQA |
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Post by pedrocols on Apr 1, 2019 8:20:01 GMT -5
It seems all these aluminum boxes are getting kind of pricey or it is just me🤔
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Post by KeithL on Apr 1, 2019 11:46:25 GMT -5
What we know so far.... (the best info I have).....
Yes, we will eventually have a new high-end DAC model (we haven't given up on making DACs). I don't know if it will be called a "DC-2" or not - bit it probably will NOT be the same as the DC-2 we previewed at EmoFest several years ago. We don't have a decision on the form factor yet (it may be full-sized, or half-sized, or maybe even one of each).
It will almost certainly NOT have a Sabre DAC in it (nobody here thinks the Sabre DACs sound especially good).
On everything else regarding it we're still in the planning stages...
(We've seen several prototypes and ideas... but none of them has been green-lighted yet.)
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Post by geeqner on Apr 1, 2019 13:48:32 GMT -5
Here's a thought - Kill (2) Birds with (1) Stone:
Put it in a full-width chassis
Offer it WITH a built-in CD Drive / Separate Power Supply - to Replace the ERC-3 with the ability to switch Internal CD / External Source(s)
Offer it WITHOUT the CD Drive for those who don't need / want that part - to Replace the DC-n
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