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Post by bootman on Jan 10, 2018 16:10:58 GMT -5
And like I said, what bothers me is just how easily people give up their rights and abilities anymore without even giving it a second thought. I see this as upgrading the the newest audio and video formats. In other words progress.  |
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 10, 2018 16:12:35 GMT -5
Per my post above, someone who spent the extra coin to buy an Oppo 95, 105 or 205. That's potentially a lot of people. The OPPO buyers " could" take their 7.1 output and input it into an RMC (if the RMC had this input like you request), but how many would actually do it? Foggy's point is that the 7.1 processed output on the RMC would no doubt be superior than the 7.1 on the OPPO's, so why would any Oppo buyer want to do that, even if they had the option? Just to clarify, this thread is about the new XMC-1 Gen 3, not the RMC-1. Superiority is in the ear of the beholder. Some people prefer the sound of the Oppo, I'm sure of that. Much of what we discuss here on this forum doesn't really have to do with "better," it has to do with "different." Just as people see differently, so do they hear differently. I also think what some people forget is that not everyone who buys an XMC actually uses Dirac. Many maybe, but there are also plenty who don't like it either. I for one am not stuck with Emtovia for Dirac. |
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 10, 2018 16:24:50 GMT -5
Most people aren't giving up anything though. They simply don't need all the inputs that you require. Then buy a MC-700 or Emersa. You are equating that since people don't want something it shouldn't exist, at all? So for example, the 15% of people who still get their TV over the air shouldn't be able to do it that way? That's what I just said.  But it's really been less than 10 years mostly. Even 6 or 7 years ago processors and receivers were being made with all the stuff I'm referring to. I know things move quickly in the electronics world, but this is a prime example of how stuff that has perfectly good (sometimes less, sometimes superior) abilities gets tossed aside while following trends. It's similar to what happened with vinyl, except analog inputs/outputs just cost a minimal amount extra $ up front with absolutely zero of the after effects. |
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Post by simpleman68 on Jan 10, 2018 16:27:18 GMT -5
The OPPO buyers " could" take their 7.1 output and input it into an RMC (if the RMC had this input like you request), but how many would actually do it? Foggy's point is that the 7.1 processed output on the RMC would no doubt be superior than the 7.1 on the OPPO's, so why would any Oppo buyer want to do that, even if they had the option? Just to clarify, this thread is about the new XMC-1 Gen 3, not the RMC-1. Superiority is in the ear of the beholder. Some people prefer the sound of the Oppo, I'm sure of that. Much of what we discuss here on this forum doesn't really have to do with "better," it has to do with "different." Just as people see differently, so do they hear differently. I also think what some people forget is that not everyone who buys an XMC actually uses Dirac. Many maybe, but there are also plenty who don't like it either. I for one am not stuck with Emtovia for Dirac. My fault, I got off track and was thinking of the RMC. Even with the XMC at its price point, my thoughts remain the same. As a sidebar, it seems some of this thread is a creative way to grind the proverbial axe under the guise of an XMC-1 "discussion" This not coming from an Emo fan-boy, just not the way I would handle personal disagreements with a manufacturer. If I were unhappy with their product offerings and "sick of the merry-go-round" I would be on another audio board personally. Scott |
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Post by rbk123 on Jan 10, 2018 16:29:15 GMT -5
Just to clarify, this thread is about the new XMC-1 Gen 3, not the RMC-1. Superiority is in the ear of the beholder. Some people prefer the sound of the Oppo, I'm sure of that. Much of what we discuss here on this forum doesn't really have to do with "better," it has to do with "different." Just as people see differently, so do they hear differently. I also think what some people forget is that not everyone who buys an XMC actually uses Dirac. Many maybe, but there are also plenty who don't like it either. I for one am not stuck with Emtovia for Dirac. Good eye; I corrected my post to state XMC, not RMC, thanks. While superiority is in the ear of the beholder, I would estimate that the number of OPPO owners that would do this would be very small. In essence a very small subset of a very small subset to begin with. |
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 10, 2018 16:37:33 GMT -5
....dedicated theater processor... You just hit one huge point on the head. Dedicated theater. You happen to be lucky enough to have 2 separate rooms, with 2 totally different goals in mind. Dedicated rooms. But I'll bet that is not the case for most people buying stuff like this. If it were, then there would be tons of options to buy processors with only 2 or 3 inputs, total, because their only use would be TV, Internet, and Blu-rays. But what about people like me who only have one room to do it all? I'm supposed to go without so you don't have to spend the extra $250 worth of input/output options and have to look at extra plugs on the back? Why can't I have it all? We are obviously looking at this from 2 completely different sides. I certainly hope your side of the universe exists. I just want my side to exist too. |
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Post by geebo on Jan 10, 2018 16:49:32 GMT -5
Most people aren't giving up anything though. They simply don't need all the inputs that you require. Then buy a MC-700 or Emersa. You are equating that since people don't want something it shouldn't exist, at all? So for example, the 15% of people who still get their TV over the air shouldn't be able to do it that way? That's what I just said. But it's really been less than 10 years mostly. Even 6 or 7 years ago processors and receivers were being made with all the stuff I'm referring to. I know things move quickly in the electronics world, but this is a prime example of how stuff that has perfectly good (sometimes less, sometimes superior) abilities gets tossed aside while following trends. It's similar to what happened with vinyl, except analog inputs/outputs just cost a minimal amount extra $ up front with absolutely zero of the after effects. Well why not include S-Video jacks then and antenna inputs with a TV tuner built in? Because people don't want to pay for it. Comes a point when the majority just doesn't want or need that many inputs and don't want to pay for them either. Heck, the XMC has more inputs than I want or need but I'll still take it over a MC-700. I didn't buy it for the sheer number and type of inputs. I bought it for all the other things it has to offer over something like the MC-700. |
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 10, 2018 16:57:24 GMT -5
As a sidebar, it seems some of this thread is a creative way to grind the proverbial axe under the guise of an XMC-1 "discussion" This not coming from an Emo fan-boy, just not the way I would handle personal disagreements with a manufacturer. Understood, and I agree that's what it's become in short order. Mainly because I seem to be the only one that's up for discussion today. I was and am still hoping for more. I guess we'll see. My intent was't / isn't / hasn't ever been to beat Emotiva down and totally bash what they make (they make some great bang for the buck products for sure), but to voice my disappointments, what I'd like to see changed, the reasonings why, and then hope my comments lead to products that get produced with things I'm looking for (and others too). I do not have a lemming sort of personality - I don't follow along just because. I'm willing to "fight" for what I want or believe in. (Not to sound more important important than I am, but without me and about 5 others getting a bit rough, Emotiva was never going to upgrade the XMC-1 Gen 2 for Atmos). That's something Emotiva allows us to do here that goes above and beyond the normal electronics companies, and whether it shows or not, I do appreciate it. It's a big reason to be here. I only wish I was a better writer to help get my points across in a more....more.....let's just say better manner. That's my bad. I've voiced my inputs/outputs issues enough. I'll leave it be unless someone wants more. Thanks for calling me out so politely. I'm only sick of the Emotiva processor Merry-Go-Round. Believe it or not, there are plenty of people and discussions here I respect, enjoy, and learn from. You are most certainly on that list. |
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Post by foggy1956 on Jan 10, 2018 17:00:09 GMT -5
Can dirac be applied to the 7.1 inputs or are they treated as direct? That would require an analog to digital conversion, the only way to justify that process would be if the source had no digital output which would seem unlikely. |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Jan 10, 2018 17:04:08 GMT -5
Actually, at this point I think it might make more sense to build an Input Concentrator/Switch. Something with a ton of weird digital/analog inputs and a single set of digital/analog outputs. The only point would be to offer extensive input options for those whose needs weren't met by the main Audio/Visual Processor/Receiver. It would probably be relatively cheap to make, but it would probably be a pretty small market ...
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 10, 2018 17:15:58 GMT -5
Actually, at this point I think it might make more sense to build an Input Concentrator/Switch. Something with a ton of weird digital/analog inputs and a single set of digital/analog outputs. The only point would be to offer extensive input options for those whose needs weren't met by the main Audio/Visual Processor/Receiver. It would probably be relatively cheap to make, but it would probably be a pretty small market ... Casey Totally open to that! We have discussed it many times in the past. So far as to the RMC-1 having a module that does just that. Very much like a deluxe switcher of sorts. I think the idea has merit, and could be used to save money and efforts all the way from a future MC-700 all the way up to a RMC flagship. But you might be right. Anyway, I'm supposed to be done discussing inputs.  Next topic regarding the new XMC-1 Gen 3...... |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Jan 10, 2018 17:40:17 GMT -5
Yep, now we're just waining on full specifications ...
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Post by bootman on Jan 10, 2018 17:47:56 GMT -5
....dedicated theater processor... You just hit one huge point on the head. Dedicated theater. You happen to be lucky enough to have 2 separate rooms, with 2 totally different goals in mind. Dedicated rooms. But I'll bet that is not the case for most people buying stuff like this. If it were, then there would be tons of options to buy processors with only 2 or 3 inputs, total, because their only use would be TV, Internet, and Blu-rays. But what about people like me who only have one room to do it all? I'm supposed to go without so you don't have to spend the extra $250 worth of input/output options and have to look at extra plugs on the back? Why can't I have it all? We are obviously looking at this from 2 completely different sides. I certainly hope your side of the universe exists. I just want my side to exist too. There comes a time where you need to make a choice because you can't always have it all. Companies make a design choices based off market share needs.(all digital equipment and 4K video is the current trend) It seems this baseline customer is no longer those with tons of analog only gear. Do you think this isn't the case given what you currently see available (and coming out in the near future) from other OEMs? |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jan 10, 2018 18:22:14 GMT -5
Hey Bonzo, I see an RCA Analogue Zone2 output. Yes, but the XMC-1 Gen 2 had Zone 2 and Zone 3 outputs, so we now have 1 less. Actually (and I think we’ve been through this before), the XMC-1 G2 does NOT have a Zone 3. It has a Zone 2 output (labeled Z2), and a Z1 output which is a mixdown of the Main Zone (like a tape out except it follows the volume control). So there are still the same number of Zones, albeit one less mixdown output. |
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Post by Talley on Jan 10, 2018 20:24:47 GMT -5
Well yay me... bought a used XMC-1 2 years ago when the market was just right for the seller... paid 1800 shipped. Then Emotiva put them on sale for 1999 a month later... then all the random upgrades and such. For me to upgrade to the V3 board and atmos I'm spending another 1k on a processor that will be just even more obsolete and I'll never get that 1k back on my investment. I mean... these aren't investments but you know what I mean.
I suppose I'll have to offload it for cheap and get the latest... I'm not too worried about fully balanced on all channels but the front 3 would be nice.
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Post by Gary Cook on Jan 10, 2018 20:52:43 GMT -5
Well yay me... bought a used XMC-1 2 years ago when the market was just right for the seller... paid 1800 shipped. Then Emotiva put them on sale for 1999 a month later... then all the random upgrades and such. For me to upgrade to the V3 board and atmos I'm spending another 1k on a processor that will be just even more obsolete and I'll never get that 1k back on my investment. I mean... these aren't investments but you know what I mean. I suppose I'll have to offload it for cheap and get the latest... I'm not too worried about fully balanced on all channels but the front 3 would be nice. I'm curious, what does the XMC-1 Gen 3 have that your upgraded XMC-1 Gen 1 wouldn't have? Cheers Gary |
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Post by Gary Cook on Jan 10, 2018 20:58:36 GMT -5
I can see right above the USB asynchronous connector a Coaxial connector with a WiFi Wireless symbol. Is that for a WiFi antenna? I also noticed that, I wonder what it's for? I'm sure I'm not along, novisnick has an enquiring mind and wants to know many things Cheers Gary |
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Post by Gary Cook on Jan 10, 2018 21:01:14 GMT -5
What about people with out board players they really like the sound of, like even ERC-3 people? People like me with ERC-3's would be using the XLR inputs to keep it discrete, quad differential and fully balanced all the way Cheers Gary |
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Post by novisnick on Jan 10, 2018 21:04:58 GMT -5
I can see right above the USB asynchronous connector a Coaxial connector with a WiFi Wireless symbol. Is that for a WiFi antenna? I also noticed that, I wonder what it's for? I'm sure I'm not along, novisnick has an enquiring mind and wants to know many things Cheers Gary It does read “TRG” which I Ass-U-M is short for trigger. I’m just waiting for Emotiva to confirm my suspicion. |
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Post by Talley on Jan 10, 2018 21:09:33 GMT -5
Well yay me... bought a used XMC-1 2 years ago when the market was just right for the seller... paid 1800 shipped. Then Emotiva put them on sale for 1999 a month later... then all the random upgrades and such. For me to upgrade to the V3 board and atmos I'm spending another 1k on a processor that will be just even more obsolete and I'll never get that 1k back on my investment. I mean... these aren't investments but you know what I mean. I suppose I'll have to offload it for cheap and get the latest... I'm not too worried about fully balanced on all channels but the front 3 would be nice. I'm curious, what does the XMC-1 Gen 3 have that your upgraded XMC-1 Gen 1 wouldn't have? Cheers Gary Fully balanced on the front 3. Balanced outputs at all 11 channels. Resale value perhaps... thats all I can think about. I'll have to see about pricing. For me... it'll be spend the 1k... then still only have a xmc-1 only worth bout 2k... or just offload the gen 1 and buy the gen3 for another 2k. I know... seems silly. To me it all depends on Auro3D which is what I'd rather have. If the gen3 will support it like the RMC-1 is suppose to be able to then thats my logical choice. I don't think they will give Auro3D to the gen 1/2's. |
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