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Post by Gary Cook on Jan 10, 2018 21:16:24 GMT -5
I also noticed that, I wonder what it's for? I'm sure I'm not alone, novisnick has an enquiring mind and wants to know many things  It does read βTRGβ which I Ass-U-M is short for trigger. Iβm just waiting for Emotiva to confirm my suspicion. This one;  I can't see TRG above it, maybe it gets filtered out crossing the Pacific Ocean Cheers Gary |
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Post by Gary Cook on Jan 10, 2018 21:29:45 GMT -5
I'm curious, what does the XMC-1 Gen 3 have that your upgraded XMC-1 Gen 1 wouldn't have? Fully balanced on the front 3. Balanced outputs at all 11 channels. Resale value perhaps... thats all I can think about. I'll have to see about pricing. For me... it'll be spend the 1k... then still only have a xmc-1 only worth bout 2k... or just offload the gen 1 and buy the gen3 for another 2k. I know... seems silly. To me it all depends on Auro3D which is what I'd rather have. If the gen3 will support it like the RMC-1 is suppose to be able to then thats my logical choice. I don't think they will give Auro3D to the gen 1/2's. That's all the differences I noticed, although there are bound to be internal differences to match the rear panel and front panel updates/upgrades. Not worth the extra $US1k so far, but early days. Since the XMC-1 would have the necessary hardware then Auro is just software enabled, so it come down to whether or not Emotiva want to pay (and hence charge us for) the licensing fees, which are rather steep apparently. Cheers Gary |
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Post by Talley on Jan 10, 2018 22:19:12 GMT -5
Exactly. Just got to think about it real hard is all.
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Post by rbk123 on Jan 10, 2018 22:37:46 GMT -5
It looks like it's in the RMC's chassis, so the G3 should be more future upgradable, vs. no idea how long they'll make the G1/2 upgradable.
And looks - it may or may not look more beautiful with the multi-knob, depending on your beholding....
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Post by cwt on Jan 10, 2018 22:39:25 GMT -5
Good question on when Bonzo . It must be a lock for the current XMC-1 GEN 2 to receive the hdmi2.0b and atmos;dts-x upgrades[ the clamouring for those is obviously beyond question] so that puts the new gen 3 further away. I think its about time for the traditional discussion about naming nomenclature so people are on track  btw; I definitely agree on the number of hdmi inputs is a bit over the top; ide rather see an extra hdmi out for say zone 2 or even hdmi over ethernet for 4k uhd long runs . Hey thinking it still has a multichannel downmix to 2ch for digital by the looks ; fairly rare among contemporaries; that may help ? I think the real talking point here [and one I speculated on elsewhere ] is the lack of unbalanced pre outs which is quite nice at this price point and potentially simplifies the signal path .. A lot of people who are also into 2ch and bought the 95 etc for just that upgrade [just to play devils advocate- I don't have figures] .Yes multichannel ins was praised in lesser components because of the restrictions hdmi placed on extracting a lossless digital signal from sacd and dvd audio . It wasn't until the present after hdmi 1.2 that the restrictions have been done away with and we can finally send a pure digital signal to our pre pro's [ without having to hit it with an a/d then d/a conversion to apply bass management to it ] It ticks me off that we had to wait so long and not be treated like thiefs by the recording industry  I would certainly prefer the main dacs to process the signal . Just mention the oppo 205 is double the price of the 203 down here and duplicating processing in the source when you have invested in a state of the art pre pro is needless duplication to me . YMMV . 1/2 glass full was thinking you may get an expansion module for the RMC1 filled with analog inputs ; a pre pre amp module has already been mooted so you never know your luck |
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Post by millst on Jan 10, 2018 22:41:37 GMT -5
And maybe the triggers will work right [without non-standard cables] on gen3.
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Post by enricoclaudio on Jan 10, 2018 23:57:15 GMT -5
I also noticed that, I wonder what it's for? I'm sure I'm not along, novisnick has an enquiring mind and wants to know many things Cheers Gary It does read βTRGβ which I Ass-U-M is short for trigger. Iβm just waiting for Emotiva to confirm my suspicion. I don't know where are you looking at, but it doesn't read "TRG" anywhere ![]()  ![]() |
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Post by novisnick on Jan 11, 2018 0:43:39 GMT -5
It does read βTRGβ which I Ass-U-M is short for trigger. Iβm just waiting for Emotiva to confirm my suspicion. I don't know where are you looking at, but it doesn't read "TRG" anywhere ![]() ![]() Two spaces to the right. |
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Post by novisnick on Jan 11, 2018 0:55:17 GMT -5
I don't know where are you looking at, but it doesn't read "TRG" anywhere ![]() ![]() Two spaces to the right. And Im in the wrong thread! So sorry my friends! π Of course the XMC has triggers, Im looking at the DC-2 Boy, did I blow this one.  |
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Post by Lsc on Jan 11, 2018 2:00:22 GMT -5
Fully balanced on the front 3. Balanced outputs at all 11 channels. Resale value perhaps... thats all I can think about. I'll have to see about pricing. For me... it'll be spend the 1k... then still only have a xmc-1 only worth bout 2k... or just offload the gen 1 and buy the gen3 for another 2k. I know... seems silly. To me it all depends on Auro3D which is what I'd rather have. If the gen3 will support it like the RMC-1 is suppose to be able to then thats my logical choice. I don't think they will give Auro3D to the gen 1/2's. That's all the differences I noticed, although there are bound to be internal differences to match the rear panel and front panel updates/upgrades. Not worth the extra $US1k so far, but early days. Since the XMC-1 would have the necessary hardware then Auro is just software enabled, so it come down to whether or not Emotiva want to pay (and hence charge us for) the licensing fees, which are rather steep apparently. Cheers Gary i hope the processor on the XMC-1 gen3 is based off of the RMC-1 processor and not the XMC-1 gen2. i donβt see any expansion slots but iβm assuming the gen3 will have tangible benefits otherwise i agree with you. I have a sneaky suspicion itβll be well worth the cost as long as they donβt stray too far from the value price point model. |
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Post by richb on Jan 11, 2018 10:13:14 GMT -5
So who is currently offering all of your needed analog inputs AND offering Atmos/DTS-X processing over them? I can't think of any since I thought those were HDMI fed only formats. (I could be wrong) Unfortunately, no one totally. And that has been my dilemma to upgrading. I only went with the Marantz 8002a because of a good deal. It's not perfect either. But at least I've found work arounds with the 7.1 inputs, 3 HDMI outputs, and 2 Zone outputs. I was holding out for the updated XMC-1, but alas, got sick of the merry-go-round. I think it falls under my original quote here. In less than 10 years time I've gone from remarkably hip in the stereo system world to a total dinosaur I guess. And like I said, what bothers me is just how easily people give up their rights and abilities anymore without even giving it a second thought. As a fellow UDP-205 owner, I would also love to see 7.1 analog inputs. However, Emotiva's choice to remove them makes perfect sense. It looks to be a USB DAC with multi-channel support. Plenty of HDMI inputs. Arc, hopefully EARC. If I had my druthers, I drop the FM/AM inputs and replace it with a break out for analog inputs. The images don't show an obvious support for option boards. But, repurposing the analog inputs for 5.1 plus with an option for the balanced as the other two inputs would work for the 205. - Rich |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jan 11, 2018 10:44:11 GMT -5
I can see right above the USB asynchronous connector a Coaxial connector with a WiFi Wireless symbol. Is that for a WiFi antenna? I also noticed that, I wonder what it's for? I think enricoclaudio is right, it looks like the SMA connector on external WiFi antennas, nice touch. |
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 11, 2018 13:15:27 GMT -5
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 11, 2018 13:20:30 GMT -5
] There comes a time where you need to make a choice because you can't always have it all. Companies make a design choices based off market share needs.(all digital equipment and 4K video is the current trend) It seems this baseline customer is no longer those with tons of analog only gear. Do you think this isn't the case given what you currently see available (and coming out in the near future) from other OEMs? Since I said I'm done discussing my input/output woes, I'll just repost something I've already said. I think it answers your question. Not having this ability is certainly a trend in processors, but I read an article recently in Sound & Vision that basically said manufacturers are full if schiit when they take away such basic functions just because they "think" people aren't using them anymore. Just because it's happening doesn't make it right, nor does it actually follow what consumers really want. Having at least 1 analog record output is stereo system requirements 101. It's a shame our basic recording and transferring rights are being taken away and no one seems to even care. A big WTF in my book. |
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Post by cawgijoe on Jan 11, 2018 13:22:34 GMT -5
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Post by klinemj on Jan 11, 2018 14:28:56 GMT -5
I also noticed that, I wonder what it's for? I'm sure I'm not along, novisnick has an enquiring mind and wants to know many things Cheers Gary It does read βTRGβ which I Ass-U-M is short for trigger. Iβm just waiting for Emotiva to confirm my suspicion. Recall from Emofest they are working on a thin client server to be able to stream things via wifi to the RMC as one of the add on modules. And they said it would be available for other things...including the DC-2 and other products. Perhaps this is something that streamer plugs into... Mark |
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Post by enricoclaudio on Jan 11, 2018 14:48:22 GMT -5
It looks like a typo on their part. It has to be a typo. I remember Big Dan saying that the XMC-1 Gen 3 (aka XMC-2) would be $3500 fully equipped and the XMC-1 Gen 2 at $3000 fully equipped. The XMR-1 (receiver) can't be cheaper than the XMC-1 Gen 3 and according to S&V price for the XMR-1 will be $4000. |
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Post by lesliew on Jan 11, 2018 16:06:23 GMT -5
Sloppy reporting My guess would be that the new XMC-1 will come in at the previously announced price of the Atmos upgraded XMC-1. Of course I cant find the link now but I think it was $2995 |
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Post by audiosyndrome on Jan 11, 2018 16:53:30 GMT -5
THIS is what I think of when I hear the words "flagship processor." Overkill? Maybe. But I think "flagships" should have some overkill built in. No one is going to complain about overkill in the sound quality department. Why not inputs and flexibility? Of course some modern updating for Atmos / DTS-X would be necessary, but you get the idea.  Let's see. The Denon AVP- A1HDCI (as pictured above) was first released in 2008 for the tidy sum of $7,499. Sometime after that an upgrade (many new features) was made available for another $1,000 (and the 59 pound, 7RU high unit had to be returned to Denon for the upgrade). So, $8,500 in today's dollars including manufacturers price escalation could be somewhere in the neighborhood of (maybe) ten to twelve thousand dollars. Way more than any projected price for the XMC-1 Get. 3. And even more than double the projected price of the RMC-1. So you pays your money and you get all the inputs and outputs you want. Russ |
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 11, 2018 16:58:44 GMT -5
Another (more) question(s). So now the XMC-1 Gen 3 will be a 13 channel processor with 3 fully balanced channels (assuming $3000) And the RMC-1 will be a 16 channel processor with 16 fully balanced channels (promised $5000) Will there still be an XMC-2? If so, what will it be? Possibly a 16 channel processor with 3 fully balanced channels and Atmos 7.3.6 - 9.3.4 ability? And how much? Possibly $4000?And still the unanswered question here from page #1. A question for Emotiva.....does this mean the original plan to update the XMC-1 Gen 2 to Atmos/DTS-X that many people have been patiently waiting for over a year for now got scrapped? I mean naming this the XMC-2 meant it wasn't necessarily a direct replacement. Naming this new product the XMC-1 suggests otherwise. Or will the planned update still be available for current owners of the XMC-1 Gen 2 so they don't have to replace their machines? And then this new XMC-1 Gen 3 is basically just for new sales after a certain date? Assuming after a certain point the XMC-1 Gen 2 will be discontinued? |
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