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Post by davidl81 on Jun 12, 2018 8:35:54 GMT -5
I don’t plan on it coming this year. That is why I am buying an Anthem AVM60, it’s 20% off right now, too good to pass up. Such a shame. So many people settling for inferior products because they don’t have the patience to wait. What is an appropriate time for someone to wait? If you already have the Atmos speakers and a 4k TV should one just wait an indeterminate amount of time for the XMC to arrive? I look at it like this, if I can get the AVM-60 right now for $2399 new and then the XMC-1 G3 comes out in December I could always sell the AVM-60 for say net 2000 or so and still buy the XMC-1. This way sure I spent $400 more but I was able to actually enjoy my system instead of just continuing to wait for a product that we actually have no real time frame when it is to arrive. |
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Post by emofrmcgy on Jun 12, 2018 8:41:19 GMT -5
Such a shame. So many people settling for inferior products because they don’t have the patience to wait. What is an appropriate time for someone to wait? If you already have the Atmos speakers and a 4k TV should one just wait an indeterminate amount of time for the XMC to arrive? I look at it like this, if I can get the AVM-60 right now for $2399 new and then the XMC-1 G3 comes out in December I could always sell the AVM-60 for say net 2000 or so and still buy the XMC-1. This way sure I spent $400 more but I was able to actually enjoy my system instead of just continuing to wait for a product that we actually have no real time frame when it is to arrive. As long as it takes. 😉 |
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Post by davidl81 on Jun 12, 2018 8:44:38 GMT -5
What is an appropriate time for someone to wait? If you already have the Atmos speakers and a 4k TV should one just wait an indeterminate amount of time for the XMC to arrive? I look at it like this, if I can get the AVM-60 right now for $2399 new and then the XMC-1 G3 comes out in December I could always sell the AVM-60 for say net 2000 or so and still buy the XMC-1. This way sure I spent $400 more but I was able to actually enjoy my system instead of just continuing to wait for a product that we actually have no real time frame when it is to arrive. As long as it takes. 😉 Ehh, maybe. But really buying the AVM60 today does not exclude buying the XMC when it comes out. I have been waiting for the RMC-1 to arrive so I can upgrade my projector to 4k. I already have Atmos so no current Emotiva product will work for me. I am sure if I already had the 4k projector I would have the AVM60 (or something similar) in my system. I would still likely get the RMC when it comes out since I could sell the AVM for +/- $400 less then I paid for it. |
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Post by pachieh on Jun 12, 2018 8:57:16 GMT -5
I don’t plan on it coming this year. That is why I am buying an Anthem AVM60, it’s 20% off right now, too good to pass up. Such a shame. So many people settling for inferior products because they don’t have the patience to wait. Maybe... But with the historical patterns of delays, is it worth a perpetual wait when Emo is notoriously bad at communicating what is going? With the 800 arguments/posts in the v3 thread with existing customers getting vague updates, it is frustrating. I will still be an Emo customer for amps as they are amazing. Without getting into an argument on which is better here or opinions, I’ll end my rant now. |
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Post by musicfan on Jun 12, 2018 11:33:22 GMT -5
I don’t plan on it coming this year. That is why I am buying an Anthem AVM60, it’s 20% off right now, too good to pass up. Such a shame. So many people settling for inferior products because they don’t have the patience to wait. something that DOESN'T exist CANNOT be superior. and id rather enjoy SOMTHING now...then wait an unkown time for something that may or may not get here in the next 2 years |
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Post by rbk123 on Jun 12, 2018 12:00:50 GMT -5
Such a shame. So many people settling for inferior products because they don’t have the patience to wait.  |
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Post by emofrmcgy on Jun 12, 2018 12:15:08 GMT -5
Such a shame. So many people settling for inferior products because they don’t have the patience to wait. something that DOESN'T exist CANNOT be superior.  |
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Post by Bonzo on Jun 12, 2018 13:23:10 GMT -5
I don’t plan on it coming this year. That is why I am buying an Anthem AVM60, it’s 20% off right now, too good to pass up. Such a shame. So many people settling for inferior products because they don’t have the patience to wait. So you think an Anthem AVM60 is inferior to the XMC-1? That's fine. But it is most certainly not fact. Its a highly debatable opinion. There are a large number of folks out there that will tell you it's exactly the opposite. So there is no shame. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 15, 2018 16:37:09 GMT -5
Will the XMC-1 Gen 3 have an SMPS ? I don't see the circuit breaker on the mockup. I would be surprised if it did, I’d expect the same or similar power supply to the G2. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Jun 15, 2018 17:15:54 GMT -5
Will the XMC-1 Gen 3 have an SMPS ? I don't see the circuit breaker on the mockup. I would be surprised if it did, I’d expect the same or similar power supply to the G2. I don't have an issue with SMPS's being used in lower power requirements but high power requirements, like power amplifiers, I'm yet to be convinced. Cheers Gary |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 15, 2018 19:34:04 GMT -5
I would be surprised if it did, I’d expect the same or similar power supply to the G2. I don't have an issue with SMPS's being used in lower power requirements but high power requirements, like power amplifiers, I'm yet to be convinced. Cheers Gary I’d be concerned about the potential noise so close to low level circuits, more than in power amps. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Jun 16, 2018 3:48:34 GMT -5
I don't have an issue with SMPS's being used in lower power requirements but high power requirements, like power amplifiers, I'm yet to be convinced. I’d be concerned about the potential noise so close to low level circuits, more than in power amps. Power amps (Class A, AB etc) are analogue, whereas processors (UMC-200, XMC-1 etc) are full of digital "stuff" so are more likely to have inbuilt interference rejection by design and engineering. Cheers Gary |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 16, 2018 6:20:30 GMT -5
I’d be concerned about the potential noise so close to low level circuits, more than in power amps. Power amps (Class A, AB etc) are analogue, whereas processors (UMC-200, XMC-1 etc) are full of digital "stuff" so are more likely to have inbuilt interference rejection by design and engineering. Cheers Gary Well, though this won’t be the case with the G3, the RMC-1 could have a phono preamp module. With power amps, reference input levels are measured in hundreds of millivolts or volts, with a moving coil cartridge reference input levels are measured in single digit millivolts or less. In any case the signal levels in a preamp or processor will be generally 20 dB (or more) lower than a power amp (phono stages can add another 40 to 60 dB of gain). Even the XMC-1 has a reference mode that is pure analog, albeit line level. Emotiva has already made a power amp with an SMPS, which some seem to like very much, but you (and some others) don’t like it, or aren’t convinced that it’s as good as heavy iron. A quick search finds that there are some respected preamps using SMPS, maybe some good processors as well, I don’t know. As you say, maybe the low power requirements of a prepro make it easier to eliminate the RF noise inherent in SMPS. I’d still be more concerned about their use around low level signals, but that’s just my intuitive bias, yours is different. Maybe Keith or Lonnie will add something less subjective to the conversation. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Jun 16, 2018 18:36:14 GMT -5
Power amps (Class A, AB etc) are analogue, whereas processors (UMC-200, XMC-1 etc) are full of digital "stuff" so are more likely to have inbuilt interference rejection by design and engineering. Well, though this won’t be the case with the G3, the RMC-1 could have a phono preamp module. With power amps, reference input levels are measured in hundreds of millivolts or volts, with a moving coil cartridge reference input levels are measured in single digit millivolts or less. In any case the signal levels in a preamp or processor will be generally 20 dB (or more) lower than a power amp (phono stages can add another 40 to 60 dB of gain). Even the XMC-1 has a reference mode that is pure analog, albeit line level. Emotiva has already made a power amp with an SMPS, which some seem to like very much, but you (and some others) don’t like it, or aren’t convinced that it’s as good as heavy iron. A quick search finds that there are some respected preamps using SMPS, maybe some good processors as well, I don’t know. As you say, maybe the low power requirements of a prepro make it easier to eliminate the RF noise inherent in SMPS. I’d still be more concerned about their use around low level signals, but that’s just my intuitive bias, yours is different. Maybe Keith or Lonnie will add something less subjective to the conversation. I'm very confident that the RMC-1 will have more than sufficient noise rejection to handle it's own inbuilt SMPS. Especially at its lower power levels (compared to a power amp). My UMC-200 has an SMPS plus analogue inputs and although I have had (in the past, not now) problems with the power supply, noise has never been an issue. Personally I don't consider SMPS noise to be much of an issue even with the Gen 3 power amps, I'm more concerned with longevity. Quality power amps last a long time and I'm not convinced that an SMPS at that level of power demand will last as long as a traditional toroidal/capacitor bank power supply. Cheers Gary |
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Post by novisnick on Jun 19, 2018 23:29:24 GMT -5
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Post by Lsc on Jul 5, 2018 17:06:41 GMT -5
Such a shame. So many people settling for inferior products because they don’t have the patience to wait. So you think an Anthem AVM60 is inferior to the XMC-1? That's fine. But it is most certainly not fact. Its a highly debatable opinion. There are a large number of folks out there that will tell you it's exactly the opposite. So there is no shame. Yes this automatic assumption that the XMC-1 is superior is incorrect. I have though thoroughly enjoyed XMC-1 and currently don’t plan on changing brands. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Jul 5, 2018 18:21:42 GMT -5
So you think an Anthem AVM60 is inferior to the XMC-1? That's fine. But it is most certainly not fact. Its a highly debatable opinion. There are a large number of folks out there that will tell you it's exactly the opposite. So there is no shame. Yes this automatic assumption that the XMC-1 is superior is incorrect. I have though thoroughly enjoyed XMC-1 and currently don’t plan on changing brands. I tried an AVM60 and rejected it, let's start with the minor stuff and build; It only has 1 trigger, that's a deal breaker for me, I need at least 2, the 2nd for Zone 2. I couldn't set speaker distances manually, which is important for when I don't want to run correction There was something that I didn't like with the sound, not just digital sources but analogue as well. Bottom line I don't believe that it had as good an analogue pre amp as the XMC-1 has. In Australia it sells for $4,999, which, compared to the US, means that there is an extra $500 (what we call "Australia Tax") in its price that isn't explained by exchange rate, duty, tax or freight. Yes, I could find it as low as $4,499 but the same applies to the US price which is often discounted, so there's still ~$500 "Australia Tax". If it wasn't for the first 2 I would have imported one (like I did with the XMC-1) and avoided the price issue, but I didn't see (hear) it as being worth the effort. Cheers Gary |
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Post by Bonzo on Jul 5, 2018 18:38:16 GMT -5
So you think an Anthem AVM60 is inferior to the XMC-1? That's fine. But it is most certainly not fact. Its a highly debatable opinion. There are a large number of folks out there that will tell you it's exactly the opposite. So there is no shame. Yes this automatic assumption that the XMC-1 is superior is incorrect. I have though thoroughly enjoyed XMC-1 and currently don’t plan on changing brands. I think all the main players bring something to the table and could be well suited for different people. None of them are perfect, so people just have to pick what's most important for them and go from there. For example, the Anthem AVM60 has a terrible source selection design. Almost everyone concurs. It seems the only people who don't use Harmony remotes. And for me, its also missing 7.1 inputs. And what Gary says about not being able to adjust stuff manually, didn't know that, but I don't like that either. Done deal, not getting one. Unfortunately, the XMC-1 Gen 2 with Atmos upgrade isn't out, nor does it appear it will be out until next year. And it takes away the rec outs to do it. And worse yet for me, is that the new XMC-1 Gen 3 (stupid name) goes BACKWARDS in terms of inputs and outputs. The original, for my wants and needs, is a better piece of equipment. I won't be buying a Gen 3 model. As for the sound, that's a whole lot of preference going on there, much like speakers. Bottom line, I don't think there is one that is just better across the board than the other. |
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Post by emofrmcgy on Jul 5, 2018 19:10:44 GMT -5
The only way to adjust speaker distances on the anthem is manually. Arc doesn’t do it automatically like Dirac does.
My previous comments were really more tongue in cheek than they seemed. I’ve had an xmc, a marantz 7702mk2 and most recently the anthem 1120.
My favourite hands down is the anthem. The xmc is a distant 3rd as it doesn’t have the features I need in my room. If it had atmos it would be 2nd possibly first but... it is what it is.
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Post by Bonzo on Jul 5, 2018 20:25:23 GMT -5
Lets get back on the thread topic. Since I sort of brought it up already, what is going to make this new gen 3 XMC worth having over an upgraded original? What really makes it a worthy replacement, or even an alternative? Seriously. What makes it better than the original? I'd like to know.
The center channel is balanced. Big whoopie ding dong. Nope.
It has less inputs and less outputs. Nope, that's going backwards.
It will do 7.2.4, so that will be equal.
It will have what appears to be a cooler user interface and front knob. Nice, but...
The HDMI board will be the exact same, so that isn't it.
Lonnie said for 2 channel stereo it will sound the same. So equal there.
So perhaps because it will have a more up to date processor for the surround sound thing? Is that the big difference?
I'm just not sure. Anyone know, or have any thoughts?
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