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Post by Bonzo on May 5, 2018 11:55:23 GMT -5
Hi, I haven't been following all the updates on future XMC-1 and update boards. I do know that the update boards are late and still in the works. I also see that there are new versions of the XMC-1 in the works (Gen3?). Since I use my XMC-1 everyday, it would be a hardship to send it back to Emotiva for an update. Also, since I went to 4K close to two years ago, I have made my workarounds and don't route video through my XMC-1 anymore. While I thought I would install the 4k update board when it was available, I am losing interest due possible cost and long development time. I wonder if a better strategy for Emotiva at this point is to finalize and start producing the XMC-1 Gen3 or whatever it is called and then offer a trade in deal to existing XMC-1 owners to swap out their unit? Emotiva could retrofit the traded in XMC-1 to Gen2 or Gen 3 status and sell as B-Stock of even new if that's allowed? If Emotiva could offer a swap plus maybe $1k paid by the owner I think it could be successful? Maybe a dumb idea? -CB That's basically essentially what they are doing. Right or wrong is in the eye of the beholder. The problem as I see it is that Emotiva basically promised the Atmos upgrade would be ready a long time ago, as in like a year ago. And it was promised before the mere mention of the XMC-2 (now called the XMC-1 Gen 3, stupid name). Now its not only not going to be available until after the RMC-1, but also not until after the XMC-1 Gen 3 is out and about. It not only says "string along," but it's also a bit of a slap in the face to existing customers who bought the XMC-1 that have been patiently waiting only to see their old horse getting passed up by newer ones. (Sorry, its Kentucky Derby Day, couldn't resist the analogy). It comes across as either being forgotten about, or being made last priority. Nobody likes to feel that way. |
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Post by tailsawaggin on May 5, 2018 18:40:20 GMT -5
Hi, I haven't been following all the updates on future XMC-1 and update boards. I do know that the update boards are late and still in the works. I also see that there are new versions of the XMC-1 in the works (Gen3?). Since I use my XMC-1 everyday, it would be a hardship to send it back to Emotiva for an update. Also, since I went to 4K close to two years ago, I have made my workarounds and don't route video through my XMC-1 anymore. While I thought I would install the 4k update board when it was available, I am losing interest due possible cost and long development time. I wonder if a better strategy for Emotiva at this point is to finalize and start producing the XMC-1 Gen3 or whatever it is called and then offer a trade in deal to existing XMC-1 owners to swap out their unit? Emotiva could retrofit the traded in XMC-1 to Gen2 or Gen 3 status and sell as B-Stock of even new if that's allowed? If Emotiva could offer a swap plus maybe $1k paid by the owner I think it could be successful? Maybe a dumb idea? -CB Gen 3 is on a different chassis from Gen 2 -- can't update from old to new. Closest you can get is near feature and performance parity with the upgraded boards in your Gen 2. Regarding trade-in, if I were Emo, the last thing I would want on my shelves is a large stock of last generation product, especially one that has near feature and performance parity with my current product. I'm trying to grow my sales and recoup my R&D investment on the new line and I don't want my old stuff in that channel. From a user's perspective, it is an attractive idea. |
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Post by Gary Cook on May 5, 2018 21:34:01 GMT -5
Hi, I haven't been following all the updates on future XMC-1 and update boards. I do know that the update boards are late and still in the works. I also see that there are new versions of the XMC-1 in the works (Gen3?). Since I use my XMC-1 everyday, it would be a hardship to send it back to Emotiva for an update. Also, since I went to 4K close to two years ago, I have made my workarounds and don't route video through my XMC-1 anymore. While I thought I would install the 4k update board when it was available, I am losing interest due possible cost and long development time. I wonder if a better strategy for Emotiva at this point is to finalize and start producing the XMC-1 Gen3 or whatever it is called and then offer a trade in deal to existing XMC-1 owners to swap out their unit? Emotiva could retrofit the traded in XMC-1 to Gen2 or Gen 3 status and sell as B-Stock of even new if that's allowed? If Emotiva could offer a swap plus maybe $1k paid by the owner I think it could be successful? Maybe a dumb idea? -CB Gen 3 is on a different chassis from Gen 2 -- can't update from old to new. Closest you can get is near feature and performance parity with the upgraded boards in your Gen 2. Regarding trade-in, if I were Emo, the last thing I would want on my shelves is a large stock of last generation product, especially one that has near feature and performance parity with my current product. I'm trying to grow my sales and recoup my R&D investment on the new line and I don't want my old stuff in that channel.From a user's perspective, it is an attractive idea. "one that has near feature and performance parity with my current product", isn't that a good thing, that means Emotiva can sell the trade in's easily. At, say, half the price with near features and performance parity. Sounds like easy marketing to me. Then upsell the buyers, potential buys with the upgraded bards. Would attract those unable or unwilling to pay the new price for a Gen 3. Basically twice as many customers, the one who buys the 2nd hand XMC-1 possibly gets it upgraded and the one that buys the new XMC-1. Everybody wins and Emotiva makes a margin, added to more recouping of the R&D on the upgrades. It's going to happen anyway with or without Emotiva's input. I suspect that as soon as the Gen 3 is available there will be a stack of used XMC-1's available. From people who are unwilling to send their's back to Emotiva for upgrading, that can't be without a processor for a few weeks. Plus those that just have to have the latest XMC-1. Cheers Gary |
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Post by cwt on May 6, 2018 5:15:12 GMT -5
The problem as I see it is that Emotiva basically promised the Atmos upgrade would be ready a long time ago, as in like a year ago. And it was promised before the mere mention of the XMC-2 (now called the XMC-1 Gen 3, stupid name). Now its not only not going to be available until after the RMC-1, but also not until after the XMC-1 Gen 3 is out and about. It not only says "string along," but it's also a bit of a slap in the face to existing customers who bought the XMC-1 that have been patiently waiting only to see their old horse getting passed up by newer ones. (Sorry, its Kentucky Derby Day, couldn't resist the analogy). It comes across as either being forgotten about, or being made last priority. Nobody likes to feel that way. Agree about the too long delayed atmos board Bonzo but as for when the silly named XMC-1 Gen3 [may be revised as Hair Nick mentioned recently thankfully iirc] is released it may be well in the future .. Marks notes at emofest ; unless something else more definitive has been mentioned more recently ? I think Emo will be flat out with the XMC1 boards and the RMC1 release and any firmware updates to worry about the XMC2 deployment for quite awhile . That atmos board will shoot 2 birds with 1 shot .Thinking any trade in scheme would be dependant on storage time before the XMC2 is available also ; this obviously costs $$ the longer the storage ... Its in Emo's interest to be vague about the XMC2 timing as they can market the upgraded XMC1 for that much longer  So too an early release of the XMC2 may effect the RMC1'S sales saving 1.5k as it would ; something I and others o'seas would certainly consider as well as shipping to Aus  |
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Post by bootman on May 6, 2018 8:43:33 GMT -5
I wonder if a better strategy for Emotiva at this point is to finalize and start producing the XMC-1 Gen3 or whatever it is called and then offer a trade in deal to existing XMC-1 owners to swap out their unit? Emotiva could retrofit the traded in XMC-1 to Gen2 or Gen 3 status and sell as B-Stock of even new if that's allowed? If Emotiva could offer a swap plus maybe $1k paid by the owner I think it could be successful? Maybe a dumb idea? -CB The price to get a gen1 to all inputs 4K and Atmos is $1000 but you do have to send it in. A swap for a Gen 3 with the same features as an upgraded Gen 1 for the same price would be too much for Emotiva to do! Why reward loyal original gen 1 customers like that when all we seem to do is complain.    |
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Post by richb on May 6, 2018 11:08:13 GMT -5
IMO, Emotiva is observing The first rule of wing walking: Never let go with one hand until you have a firm grip with the other.
The XMC-1 Gen-2 will be offered until the Gen 3 is available.
Nobody like delays, but products cannot be shipped until they are ready. Anything short of that is disastrous.
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Post by tailsawaggin on May 6, 2018 18:48:44 GMT -5
"one that has near feature and performance parity with my current product", isn't that a good thing, that means Emotiva can sell the trade in's easily. That is a bad thing. At, say, half the price with near features and performance parity. Sounds like easy marketing to me. Then upsell the buyers, potential buys with the upgraded bards. Would attract those unable or unwilling to pay the new price for a Gen 3. Basically twice as many customers, the one who buys the 2nd hand XMC-1 possibly gets it upgraded and the one that buys the new XMC-1. Everybody wins and Emotiva makes a margin, added to more recouping of the R&D on the upgrades. It would also attract those who are able to pay the new price for a Gen 3, but are smart enough not to when they can get near feature and performance parity for half price on a factory-sanctioned Gen 2. It's going to happen anyway with or without Emotiva's input. I suspect that as soon as the Gen 3 is available there will be a stack of used XMC-1's available. One more reason for Emo not to get involved -- the secondary market can take care of itself with zero exertion on Emo's part. From people who are unwilling to send their's back to Emotiva for upgrading, that can't be without a processor for a few weeks. Plus those that just have to have the latest XMC-1. Marketing to the edge cases and corner circumstances doesn't pay the bills, but selling lots of shiny new baubles to lots of people does. As much as we might think it's a great idea, because it is a great thing for buyers, Emo has no motivation. They've had their most loyal and ardent adherents waiting impatiently for the new machine for how long, and then just as it's about to be available, they're going to offer basically the same thing but for half price? It makes no sense. |
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Post by Gary Cook on May 6, 2018 19:48:13 GMT -5
"one that has near feature and performance parity with my current product", isn't that a good thing, that means Emotiva can sell the trade in's easily. That is a bad thing. At, say, half the price with near features and performance parity. Sounds like easy marketing to me. Then upsell the buyers, potential buys with the upgraded bards. Would attract those unable or unwilling to pay the new price for a Gen 3. Basically twice as many customers, the one who buys the 2nd hand XMC-1 possibly gets it upgraded and the one that buys the new XMC-1. Everybody wins and Emotiva makes a margin, added to more recouping of the R&D on the upgrades. It would also attract those who are able to pay the new price for a Gen 3, but are smart enough not to when they can get near feature and performance parity for half price on a factory-sanctioned Gen 2. It's going to happen anyway with or without Emotiva's input. I suspect that as soon as the Gen 3 is available there will be a stack of used XMC-1's available. One more reason for Emo not to get involved -- the secondary market can take care of itself with zero exertion on Emo's part. From people who are unwilling to send their's back to Emotiva for upgrading, that can't be without a processor for a few weeks. Plus those that just have to have the latest XMC-1. Marketing to the edge cases and corner circumstances doesn't pay the bills, but selling lots of shiny new baubles to lots of people does. As much as we might think it's a great idea, because it is a great thing for buyers, Emo has no motivation. They've had their most loyal and ardent adherents waiting impatiently for the new machine for how long, and then just as it's about to be available, they're going to offer basically the same thing but for half price? It makes no sense. Maybe I need to spell it out; Emotiva trades in a used XMC-1 for,say, $1,000, checks it over and sells it for, say, $1,300. Or upgrades it with the 4K and Atmos boards and sells them for, say, $2,100. Compared to an XMC-1 Gen 3 for, say, $3,500 (do we know the price?). Or it could be, say, $900, $1200 and $2,000. I see plenty of $motivation, $300 profit (less costs) for checking over, plus selling more 4K and Atmos upgrades for $800 (less costs) to help pay for that expensive/expensive R&D. In addition to potentially selling more Gen 3's to people who would much rather trade in than go through the hassle of dealing with a 3rd party. There's money to be made and customers to be satisfied.  Cheers Gary |
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Post by skippy1977 on May 7, 2018 16:01:11 GMT -5
Is there any information as to the level of Dirac that the XMC-1 Gen 3 will have? Will it have multiple Dirac presets? Is Unison still a possibility? Thanks!
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Post by klinemj on May 7, 2018 16:05:26 GMT -5
Is there any information as to the level of Dirac that the XMC-1 Gen 3 will have? Will it have multiple Dirac presets? Is Unison still a possibility? Thanks! No updates that I have heard or seen since Emofest. See the Emofest notes in the Green Room for what that info was. Mark |
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Post by skippy1977 on May 7, 2018 16:07:13 GMT -5
Is there any information as to the level of Dirac that the XMC-1 Gen 3 will have? Will it have multiple Dirac presets? Is Unison still a possibility? Thanks! No updates that I have heard or seen since Emofest. See the Emofest notes in the Green Room for what that info was. Mark Thanks! I'll check that out. |
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Post by Lsc on May 7, 2018 16:52:04 GMT -5
Is there any information as to the level of Dirac that the XMC-1 Gen 3 will have? Will it have multiple Dirac presets? Is Unison still a possibility? Thanks! Unison is not a possibility. They are hoping to have 2 presets but the original Dirac agreement was for 1 preset. I asked if there is a way do a workaround around the single preset. For example, if there was a way to save the settings config file to the USB, we may be able to effectively load in a new setting quick enough to act like 2 presets. Lonnie said he would look into it. |
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Post by pfingstspatz on May 30, 2018 6:39:44 GMT -5
In this post Dan said that it is It is technically feasible with the new SHARC based DSP's. emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/905758/threadNo promises put at least it seems possible. Are there any news or new podcasts about the release date of the RMC-1/XMC-1? without ANY guess about the release, i think i will go for a NAD T 758 oder T 777. I'm willing to wait, but not till "sometime in the future" |
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Post by goozoo on May 30, 2018 14:52:09 GMT -5
With the way things have/are going, we are moving our clients wanting ATMOS into Anthem AVM60 as it delivers the goods in spades with an excellent room correction setup. I keep reading on here how people are wanting to move to the Marantz, but unless you want wides, the Anthem produces a much better sound than the Marantz and competes with Emotiva. Also given that large studios like Disney, WB, etc are releasing their ATMOS tracks in 7.1.4, makes you think twice about spending the extra coin.
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Post by jiriza84641 on May 30, 2018 19:15:00 GMT -5
With the way things have/are going, we are moving our clients wanting ATMOS into Anthem AVM60 as it delivers the goods in spades with an excellent room correction setup. I keep reading on here how people are wanting to move to the Marantz, but unless you want wides, the Anthem produces a much better sound than the Marantz and competes with Emotiva. Also given that large studios like Disney, WB, etc are releasing their ATMOS tracks in 7.1.4, makes you think twice about spending the extra coin. What’s the major differences from the Marantz 7704 and the Anthem Avm60 |
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Post by davidl81 on May 30, 2018 19:22:37 GMT -5
With the way things have/are going, we are moving our clients wanting ATMOS into Anthem AVM60 as it delivers the goods in spades with an excellent room correction setup. I keep reading on here how people are wanting to move to the Marantz, but unless you want wides, the Anthem produces a much better sound than the Marantz and competes with Emotiva. Also given that large studios like Disney, WB, etc are releasing their ATMOS tracks in 7.1.4, makes you think twice about spending the extra coin. What’s the major differences from the Marantz 7704 and the Anthem Avm60 The Marantz uses Audyssey and the Anthem has ARC. As a current Marantz owner I can tell you that Audyssey is pretty good for home theater, but it really does a poor job with music. ARC is a higher regarded room correction software. I’m sure there are other differences, but that is the one that sticks out to me the most. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Jun 11, 2018 20:40:49 GMT -5
Last fall I was thinking I would have the g3 by now. I'm still patiently waiting without processor. Is this going to happen soon or next next year ? I would look at getting prepared when you start seeing guys reporting specific delivery date promises on this thread emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/51983/v3-hdmi-board-update?page=53When you are seeing actual receipts of updated XMC-1's actually working in people homes on the same thread then I'd start getting excited. Until then, I'd relax. Cheers Gary |
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Post by doc1963 on Jun 11, 2018 21:46:29 GMT -5
Last fall I was thinking I would have the g3 by now. I'm still patiently waiting without processor. Is this going to happen soon or next next year ? I took a more “scientific” approach than Gary... I asked my Magic 8 Ball and it said “Reply hazy... Ask again later”. All kidding aside, I wouldn’t expect the XMC-1 “Gen 3” before the RMC-1 is released.... |
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Post by pachieh on Jun 12, 2018 7:54:32 GMT -5
I don’t plan on it coming this year. That is why I am buying an Anthem AVM60, it’s 20% off right now, too good to pass up.
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Post by emofrmcgy on Jun 12, 2018 8:20:25 GMT -5
I don’t plan on it coming this year. That is why I am buying an Anthem AVM60, it’s 20% off right now, too good to pass up. Such a shame. So many people settling for inferior products because they don’t have the patience to wait. |
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