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Post by richb on Jul 6, 2018 16:11:58 GMT -5
Hence why I almost think the idea of buying a Gen 2 with the Atmos upgrade for $3000 makes much more sense than buying the Gen 3 for the rumored $3500. ... Yeah ... but what if they called it the XMC-2!!!   or compromise and call it the XMC-3  - Rich |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Jul 6, 2018 17:09:48 GMT -5
All the bugs and issues with the V3 board are holding the release of the RMC-1 and XMC-1 Gen 3. There is no way that they can release those two without addressing all the issues on the V3 board first because all of them share the same board. To be honest, I won't hold my breath waiting for the XMC-1 Gen 3 at least for the next 6 to 9 months, if not a whole year. I agree that it wouldn't make sense to release either the XMC-1 Gen3 or the RMC-1 until the majority of issues with the V3 HDMI Video Board are worked out. I think the Emotiva Staff is pretty pushed to the limit working on these issues with a relatively small number of dedicated and friendly "Extended BETA" users ... er, Initial Customers. I, for one, am happy to sit on the sidelines watching while this happens and will benefit for a far more mature RMC-1 (or possible XMC-1 Gen3) when they are ready to release them to the wild ... Casey |
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Post by Lsc on Jul 6, 2018 17:49:25 GMT -5
Lets get back on the thread topic. Since I sort of brought it up already, what is going to make this new gen 3 XMC worth having over an upgraded original? What really makes it a worthy replacement, or even an alternative? Seriously. What makes it better than the original? I'd like to know. The center channel is balanced. Big whoopie ding dong. Nope. It has less inputs and less outputs. Nope, that's going backwards. It will do 7.2.4, so that will be equal. It will have what appears to be a cooler user interface and front knob. Nice, but... The HDMI board will be the exact same, so that isn't it. Lonnie said for 2 channel stereo it will sound the same. So equal there. So perhaps because it will have a more up to date processor for the surround sound thing? Is that the big difference? I'm just not sure. Anyone know, or have any thoughts? Sound wise the XMC-1 gen3 is supposed that be identical to the RMC-1 for 2 channel. If neither the XMC-1 gen3 not the RMC-1 sounds better than the XMC-1 gen2 then Emotiva hasn’t made much progress in the last 5 years. And my waiting is all for nothing bc I sold my XMC-1 gen2 in preparation for the gen3. Hopefully that’s not the case. |
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Post by socketman on Jul 6, 2018 18:28:47 GMT -5
YMC eh would be the natural progression??
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Post by Bonzo on Jul 6, 2018 20:05:44 GMT -5
Hence why I almost think the idea of buying a Gen 2 with the Atmos upgrade for $3000 makes much more sense than buying the Gen 3 for the rumored $3500. ... Yeah ... but what if they called it the XMC-2!!! You are amazing! That's the best idea ever! 😁 Oh wait, I think I recall 100 other people saying that a year ago. 🤣 |
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Post by Bonzo on Jul 6, 2018 20:09:04 GMT -5
Yeah ... but what if they called it the XMC-2!!! or compromise and call it the XMC-3 - Rich Now that IS an original idea! 😀 Well, maybe not, but it's still a good idea. Its been said before, but a really good idea is always a good idea. Really. Just skip XMC-2 and get it back on track with the XMC-3. I like it. You've got my vote. 😎 |
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Post by Bonzo on Jul 6, 2018 20:20:12 GMT -5
You answer Segways into a different topic that people have only lightly speculated about. Asked directly, will the Gen3 be a flat out replacement, or will it live side by side with the old Gen 2. Personally, I think it's a replacement. But so far the general hints coming from Emotiva have said that as long as the Gen 2 sells they'll keep making it. I'm not so sure. I agree that there is basically zero reason to upgrade from a Gen 2 to a Gen 3. Actually, I think it's less than zero. Unless the Gen 3 does something crazy to improve the sound, I think the Gen 2 is a superior piece to have, at least for me anyway. Yes, both XMC-1's are for people who want to move up the ladder. Exactly. But I'm just asking what does the the Gen 3 have/do that makes it a worthy successor to the Gen 2? From the back panel to what we really know, I'm currently thinking not much. I like the Gen 2 better myself. Hence why I almost think the idea of buying a Gen 2 with the Atmos upgrade for $3000 makes much more sense than buying the Gen 3 for the rumored $3500. $500 more for what? I guess that's what I'm asking. I do think we need to hold off on judging the G3 XMC for a bit. Emotiva has not even released the full specs yet so a lot of what we are comparing is based on not fully confirmed specs for the G3. You are probably right, but that's also exactly what Emo wants us to do. So you know what that means from me, ain't doing it. They opened the lid, and I smelled some boiled fish. Not that I don't like me some lobster bisque or a good gumbo, but yeah know what I'm saying. Are you sure about that? I've gotten the distinct impression that the rear layout is it. They have said numerous times about it being an RMC youngster. And that's exactly what they have shown. Actually, what they have shown IS the original RMC-1 minus a few channels. All else is identical. You know, um, the layout I and others complained about for the RMC, which was not the end all godfather of processors, so they added the modules. 😉😎 |
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Post by Bonzo on Jul 6, 2018 20:23:48 GMT -5
YMC eh would be the natural progression?? You are putting them in their grave too early. Xmc, Ymc, and then the Y M C A, you know its fun to stay at the Y M C A....then ZMA. After that its the AMA and I'm not sure anyone wants that. 🤣😋 |
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Post by Bonzo on Jul 6, 2018 20:38:02 GMT -5
Sound wise the XMC-1 gen3 is supposed that be identical to the RMC-1 for 2 channel. If neither the XMC-1 gen3 not the RMC-1 sounds better than the XMC-1 gen2 then Emotiva hasn’t made much progress in the last 5 years. And my waiting is all for nothing bc I sold my XMC-1 gen2 in preparation for the gen3. Hopefully that’s not the case. Was he only refering to the XMC-3? (Best name yet). Perhaps you are right. I felt like he was saying the XMC in general, but since they are abandoning the processor and DAC in the 1, then I'm sure you are right. So the new question becomes, will the new units sound THAT much better for 2 channel? Multi-channel I can see for sure on paper (in practice maybe not as much, but hey, I'm all for it). Not going back to read, but did you answer my previous question in this or the other thread? Why did you sell your XMC-1 in advance? Sorry if you already answered. |
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Post by Bonzo on Jul 6, 2018 20:48:10 GMT -5
I had not heard that. Last I heard, and discussed many times over, was the same as originally told, that they were going to "steal" the Rec Out and the Z1 out. I hope you are correct. I'd rather have them "steal" the Z1 & Z2 plugs. The question remains, will the "steal" be switchable, or permanent? As in, if you get the upgrade to Atmos, then are those 4 plugs Atmos only for forever? Or will there be an option in the set up menu? Bummer they are doing it this "steal" way really. I doubt it's possible, but my proposal would be to "steal" 4 of the extra RCA amp outputs. Take the current Side and Rear surround plugs and permanently switch those over. Then it wouldn't lose any real functionality. But oh well. The discussion as I remember was that the Z1/Mix output was first proposed to get .2, then the Z2/Zone output was put on the table to get .4. Having then lost the Zone 2 output they proposed to allow you to switch the digital output between Z1 (where it is now) to Z2 (so you could replace the lost Zone 2 functionality). It might be nice if you could just switch Coax to Zone 2, leaving TOSLink for Z1,but I suspect they’re riding the same bus. The problem with your suggestion to use the ‘extra’ amp outputs, is that they’re not ‘stealing’ jacks, they’re repurposing channels. Even if they’re not counted, the Mix & Zone outputs have they’re own signal path and line amps—the RCA amp channels share the signal path with the XLR’s and hence can’t become new channels. Crap, totally forgot about that. Need to find that thread. So are you saying they are physically on the same board? Please elaborate. There isn't a simple wire that could be cut? I'm not looking to have both RCA and XLR for sides or rears. Cut the RCA off, period, and make them the 4 ceiling channels. Let the XLR be the sides and rears. Have to send it back to Franklin anyway right. Totally not even thinkable? I have no idea, just thinking outside the box. As it sits, I don't see the XMC-1 Atmos upgrade coming for a LONG time anyway. Unfortunately, I'm beginning to digress to 2016, that it will never really actually take place. Only time will tell. |
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Post by socketman on Jul 6, 2018 22:16:55 GMT -5
All kidding aside, i think XMC-1 G3 will work just fine. What would work even better is that they announce its release and then we could hear it instead of speculating.
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Post by Lsc on Jul 6, 2018 23:10:37 GMT -5
Sound wise the XMC-1 gen3 is supposed that be identical to the RMC-1 for 2 channel. If neither the XMC-1 gen3 not the RMC-1 sounds better than the XMC-1 gen2 then Emotiva hasn’t made much progress in the last 5 years. And my waiting is all for nothing bc I sold my XMC-1 gen2 in preparation for the gen3. Hopefully that’s not the case. Was he only refering to the XMC-3? (Best name yet). Perhaps you are right. I felt like he was saying the XMC in general, but since they are abandoning the processor and DAC in the 1, then I'm sure you are right. So the new question becomes, will the new units sound THAT much better for 2 channel? Multi-channel I can see for sure on paper (in practice maybe not as much, but hey, I'm all for it). Not going back to read, but did you answer my previous question in this or the other thread? Why did you sell your XMC-1 in advance? Sorry if you already answered. Lonnie was referring to the XMC-1 gen3 sounding identical to the RMC-1 for 2 channel. And the improvements in sound is relative to the buyer. What might be a night and day difference to me might be just a subtle improvement to someone like my wife. I sold my XMC expecting the gen3 to be out in the summer i.e. right now bc they made the announcement that the RMC-1’s release date was March. Obviously that didn’t happen and it looks like 2019 at this point. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 7, 2018 7:50:59 GMT -5
... The problem with your suggestion to use the ‘extra’ amp outputs, is that they’re not ‘stealing’ jacks, they’re repurposing channels. Even if they’re not counted, the Mix & Zone outputs have they’re own signal path and line amps—the RCA amp channels share the signal path with the XLR’s and hence can’t become new channels. Crap, totally forgot about that. Need to find that thread. So are you saying they are physically on the same board? Please elaborate. There isn't a simple wire that could be cut? I'm not looking to have both RCA and XLR for sides or rears. Cut the RCA off, period, and make them the 4 ceiling channels. Let the XLR be the sides and rears. Have to send it back to Franklin anyway right. Totally not even thinkable? I have no idea, just thinking outside the box. ... I’m just saying that when the signal is broken up and processed as a channel, the RCA & XLR are the same channel, to add Atmos they need to repurpose other signal paths to provide additional channels. Maybe a wry smile for creativity, but it’s not a jack thing as I see it (and I’ll give them kudos if they can pull off their current plan). At least with an upgraded G2 there should be tape out! 📼 (but it’s been so long since they’ve given any details, who knows for sure) |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 7, 2018 8:01:12 GMT -5
Yeah ... but what if they called it the XMC-2!!! You are amazing! That's the best idea ever! 😁 Oh wait, I think I recall 100 other people saying that a year ago. 🤣 Yeah, wasn’t claiming a new idea, just trying to get you to fork over $500 for a (much) better name. 💸💵💰 |
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Post by Bonzo on Jul 7, 2018 10:09:22 GMT -5
Was he only refering to the XMC-3? (Best name yet). Perhaps you are right. I felt like he was saying the XMC in general, but since they are abandoning the processor and DAC in the 1, then I'm sure you are right. So the new question becomes, will the new units sound THAT much better for 2 channel? Multi-channel I can see for sure on paper (in practice maybe not as much, but hey, I'm all for it). Not going back to read, but did you answer my previous question in this or the other thread? Why did you sell your XMC-1 in advance? Sorry if you already answered. I sold my XMC expecting the gen3 to be out in the summer i.e. right now bc they made the announcement that the RMC-1’s release date was March. Obviously that didn’t happen and it looks like 2019 at this point. I'm just trying to figure out why so many people have sold their XMC-1 in anticipation of the RMC or XMC-3. Why? The only true answer I can come up with is money. So you can get a higher price before the other units actually come out. Yes? No? I just know that unless I was desperate or there was some other personal reason, I would not get rid of my processor in anticipation. I would wait until the new one comes out. And in Emotiva's case, probably goes through months of public vetting and new firmware updates. Then and only then buy the new one. |
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Post by Bonzo on Jul 7, 2018 10:12:37 GMT -5
Crap, totally forgot about that. Need to find that thread. So are you saying they are physically on the same board? Please elaborate. There isn't a simple wire that could be cut? I'm not looking to have both RCA and XLR for sides or rears. Cut the RCA off, period, and make them the 4 ceiling channels. Let the XLR be the sides and rears. Have to send it back to Franklin anyway right. Totally not even thinkable? I have no idea, just thinking outside the box. ... I’m just saying that when the signal is broken up and processed as a channel, the RCA & XLR are the same channel, to add Atmos they need to repurpose other signal paths to provide additional channels. Maybe a wry smile for creativity, but it’s not a jack thing as I see it (and I’ll give them kudos if they can pull off their current plan). At least with an upgraded G2 there should be tape out! 📼 (but it’s been so long since they’ve given any details, who knows for sure) Well here's to hoping its still happening either way for the folks that really want it. I'm losing faith though. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Jul 7, 2018 18:17:29 GMT -5
I'm just trying to figure out why so many people have sold their XMC-1 in anticipation of the RMC or XMC-3. Why? The only true answer I can come up with is money. So you can get a higher price before the other units actually come out. Yes? No? I just know that unless I was desperate or there was some other personal reason, I would not get rid of my processor in anticipation. I would wait until the new one comes out. And in Emotiva's case, probably goes through months of public vetting and new firmware updates. Then and only then buy the new one. I don't believe that their value will go down, for units still in warranty around 40% to 50% of their original price is about where they are. In fact with proven 4K upgrade boards available they might even go up slightly. The dip in their prices occurred when the board was delayed by so much so often that many thought they would never arrive. Now that they are out that fear has gone, with the Atmos/DTSX board the next step. Then it becomes value proposition, sending an XMC-1 back and forward to Franklin and the cost of the upgrade board may well be a determining factor. It may better value for money going for a new processor with fresh warranty and slightly improved performance (let's face it, it's not going to be a night and day step up), that of course is depending on price. Not to overlook the UFL 25% discount holders that may make it even more attractive. ie; you don't take 25% off the price of the one you are selling. Interesting times, personally I'm going to wait and see what the new processor offers and what price it is being offered at. In the interim I'm enjoying the XMC-1 with 4K capability. Cheers Gary |
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Post by Bonzo on Jul 7, 2018 19:58:08 GMT -5
I'm just trying to figure out why so many people have sold their XMC-1 in anticipation of the RMC or XMC-3. Why? The only true answer I can come up with is money. So you can get a higher price before the other units actually come out. Yes? No? I just know that unless I was desperate or there was some other personal reason, I would not get rid of my processor in anticipation. I would wait until the new one comes out. And in Emotiva's case, probably goes through months of public vetting and new firmware updates. Then and only then buy the new one. I don't believe that their value will go down, for units still in warranty around 40% to 50% of their original price is about where they are. In fact with proven 4K upgrade boards available they might even go up slightly. The dip in their prices occurred when the board was delayed by so much so often that many thought they would never arrive. Now that they are out that fear has gone, with the Atmos/DTSX board the next step. Then it becomes value proposition, sending an XMC-1 back and forward to Franklin and the cost of the upgrade board may well be a determining factor. It may better value for money going for a new processor with fresh warranty and slightly improved performance (let's face it, it's not going to be a night and day step up), that of course is depending on price. Not to overlook the UFL 25% discount holders that may make it even more attractive. ie; you don't take 25% off the price of the one you are selling. Interesting times, personally I'm going to wait and see what the new processor offers and what price it is being offered at. In the interim I'm enjoying the XMC-1 with 4K capability. Cheers Gary Okay, so why sell in advance in anticipation then? That's my big question to which I've yet to get a good viable across the board answer. Why dump a great processor, and either go with nothing, or what one might consider a downgrade (like a receiver), for months if not years (with completely unreliable Emotiva time, fact not fiction)? I just don't get it. Money is the only reason I can think of. Makes zero sense to me. Unless its a particular need (which is easily possible), selling in advance "just because" seems utterly irresponsible and whacked in my book. I know most people here aren't that, for sure. So I'd like some explanation to help me understand. And I'm not talking about an explanation from Boomzilla because we all know he's nuts when it comes to buying, selling and swapping. 🙃🤣 |
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Post by Bonzo on Jul 7, 2018 20:33:47 GMT -5
You are amazing! That's the best idea ever! 😁 Oh wait, I think I recall 100 other people saying that a year ago. 🤣 Yeah, wasn’t claiming a new idea, just trying to get you to fork over $500 for a (much) better name. 💸💵💰 Dan and I are already in the midst of ledigal (sp?) arguing over my name for the Emotiva upscaler. Emo-nence. With similar spelling to some speaker manufacturer and The Who song Eminence Front. Screw them. 😂 And when we win Dan has promised me a free RMC. 😁 And if you believe that I have some fresh jars full of my fart gas to sell you too. Natures way to cleanse your home. 😎 |
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Post by adam631 on Jul 7, 2018 20:57:18 GMT -5
I sold my XMC expecting the gen3 to be out in the summer i.e. right now bc they made the announcement that the RMC-1’s release date was March. Obviously that didn’t happen and it looks like 2019 at this point. I'm just trying to figure out why so many people have sold their XMC-1 in anticipation of the RMC or XMC-3. Why? The only true answer I can come up with is money. So you can get a higher price before the other units actually come out. Yes? No? I just know that unless I was desperate or there was some other personal reason, I would not get rid of my processor in anticipation. I would wait until the new one comes out. And in Emotiva's case, probably goes through months of public vetting and new firmware updates. Then and only then buy the new one. +1  |
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