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Post by richb on Jul 7, 2018 21:51:23 GMT -5
Yeah, wasn’t claiming a new idea, just trying to get you to fork over $500 for a (much) better name. 💸💵💰 Dan and I are already in the midst of ledigal (sp?) arguing over my name for the Emotiva upscaler. Emo-nence. With similar spelling to some speaker manufacturer and The Who song Eminence Front. Screw them. 😂 And when we win Dan has promised me a free RMC. 😁 And if you believe that I have some fresh jars full of my fart gas to sell you too. Natures way to cleanse your home. 😎 Emersive - Rich |
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Post by cwt on Jul 8, 2018 3:02:50 GMT -5
Okay, so why sell in advance in anticipation then? That's my big question to which I've yet to get a good viable across the board answer. Why dump a great processor, and either go with nothing, or what one might consider a downgrade (like a receiver), for months if not years (with completely unreliable Emotiva time, fact not fiction)? I just don't get it. 🙃🤣 Maybe those who did didn't consider what Emo has mentioned to be accurate ie RMC1 1ST cab of the rank then XMC-1 Atmos board upgrade then XMC2 ? Cant follow it either Bonzo . With the hdmi board stability still a work in progress that just pushes everything back so makes it easy for XMC1 owners not to sell if "upgrading " . Just seems prudent to wait until things are here with Emo relying on other ce's timetables.. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Jul 8, 2018 3:52:47 GMT -5
Okay, so why sell in advance in anticipation then? That's my big question to which I've yet to get a good viable across the board answer. Why dump a great processor, and either go with nothing, or what one might consider a downgrade (like a receiver), for months if not years (with completely unreliable Emotiva time, fact not fiction)? I just don't get it. Money is the only reason I can think of. Makes zero sense to me. Unless its a particular need (which is easily possible), selling in advance "just because" seems utterly irresponsible and whacked in my book. I know most people here aren't that, for sure. So I'd like some explanation to help me understand. And I'm not talking about an explanation from Boomzilla because we all know he's nuts when it comes to buying, selling and swapping. 🙃🤣 For me the lack of 4K support was killer, it was very painful working around the lack of 4K switching especially the low WAF. The long list of delays, that stretched over 2 years after many others had 4K support, was a deal breaker for a lot of XMC-1 owners. Enough was enough. Then there are the others who thought a replacement was imminent and wanted to be ready to grab the new model as soon as it was released. Then there were a number who believed that Emotiva would never be able to update the XMC-1 for 4K. Ultimately both of those turned out to be erronious beliefs, but at time were not invalid thoughts. FWIW I don't see Atmos/DTSX in the same vain, it doesn't have the same have to have it pressure that 4K did/does. Not to say that it won't at some time in the future, just not back then and not now. Swapping TV 's and projectors for 4K viewing is not the same as fitting ceiling speakers (even where it's practical) and adding amplifier channels. Cheers Gary |
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Post by Lsc on Jul 8, 2018 8:32:50 GMT -5
I sold my XMC expecting the gen3 to be out in the summer i.e. right now bc they made the announcement that the RMC-1’s release date was March. Obviously that didn’t happen and it looks like 2019 at this point. I'm just trying to figure out why so many people have sold their XMC-1 in anticipation of the RMC or XMC-3. Why? The only true answer I can come up with is money. So you can get a higher price before the other units actually come out. Yes? No? I just know that unless I was desperate or there was some other personal reason, I would not get rid of my processor in anticipation. I would wait until the new one comes out. And in Emotiva's case, probably goes through months of public vetting and new firmware updates. Then and only then buy the new one. Yes I obviously wanted to sell while the XMC-1 gen2 was still relevant. Processors usually have the worst resale values. Plus since I was one of the first people to get the XMC-1 gen2, mine was pretty much out of warranty. What I didn’t anticipate was obviously that the XMC-1 gen2 would be relevant 6 months later. Oh well we live and learn. My Sony 4K receiver has been doing great as a temporary replacement though. 😊 |
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Post by Bonzo on Aug 17, 2018 15:53:49 GMT -5
Updated this thread to now have the new correct name, XMC-2!!!
See, if we ask (b*tch), discuss (complain), and request (moan) enough, we can get change!!!
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Post by Casey Leedom on Aug 17, 2018 15:56:11 GMT -5
I've fully annotated the latest podcast here. Casey |
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Post by richb on Aug 17, 2018 18:27:09 GMT -5
Updated this thread to now have the new correct name, XMC-2!!! See, if we ask (b*tch), discuss (complain), and request (moan) enough, we can get change!!! Fantastic news! Now, when can we buy them  - Rich |
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Post by jonas79 on Aug 17, 2018 18:46:26 GMT -5
Updated this thread to now have the new correct name, XMC-2!!! See, if we ask (b*tch), discuss (complain), and request (moan) enough, we can get change!!! Fantastic news! Now, when can we buy them - Rich On the podcast they talking about the end of the year. So maybe new years eve ? Price Will be higher and support 11 channels instead of 7 channels. |
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Post by enricoclaudio on Aug 18, 2018 10:52:49 GMT -5
Fantastic news! Now, when can we buy them - Rich On the podcast they talking about the end of the year. So maybe new years eve ? Price Will be higher and support 11 channels instead of 7 channels. End of the year in EWT (Emotiva Wonderland Time) means by the end of 2020 if everything runs smooth  |
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Post by markymiles on Aug 26, 2018 2:33:00 GMT -5
You're probably not far off!! That will suit me just fine anyway as it gives me time to save. Like many others I jumped ship from the XMC-1 so I could have 4k and Atmos. This will definitely be on my radar though when it comes out. Hopefully it won't be too much higher in price than the existing XMC-1.
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Post by franky on Sept 10, 2018 20:21:14 GMT -5
So I see that the RMC-1 is listed on Emotiva as coming soon, so what happened to the XMC-2. Are we just going to be left hanging waiting to have some word on what its going to contain or maybe its upcoming release date. I'm guessing Dan is waiting for the XMC-1 to sell out before they release the new unit, come on guys at least something more then was on the last pod cast.
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Post by rbk123 on Sept 10, 2018 21:00:28 GMT -5
So I see that the RMC-1 is listed on Emotiva as coming soon, so what happened to the XMC-2. Are we just going to be left hanging waiting to have some word on what its going to contain or maybe its upcoming release date. I'm guessing Dan is waiting for the XMC-1 to sell out before they release the new unit, come on guys at least something more then was on the last pod cast. Read this entire thread - emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/53497/official-cedia-2018-thread |
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Post by craigl59 on Sept 10, 2018 21:15:35 GMT -5
Have read most of the CEDIA thread and still wonder about these:
1. What will the DAC chip be in the XMC-2 -- will it be an AKM one?
2. If only the LCR channels are balanced, why do the rest of the channels have XLR connections?
3. Am confused over the large number of channels in the RMC processors. Are there sources that provide this many channels? Or are they created by a matrix? No home I have ever had could accommodate more than 7.2 and that is a stretch. Hardly ever find multi-channel music feeds with any significant content in the back speakers.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 10, 2018 22:30:17 GMT -5
Have read most of the CEDIA thread and still wonder about these: 1. What will the DAC chip be in the XMC-2 -- will it be an AKM one? 2. If only the LCR channels are balanced, why do the rest of the channels have XLR connections? 3. Am confused over the large number of channels in the RMC processors. Are there sources that provide this many channels? Or are they created by a matrix? No home I have ever had could accommodate more than 7.2 and that is a stretch. Hardly ever find multi-channel music feeds with any significant content in the back speakers. 1-We have to wait until they post a product page 2-There are fully balanced channels (which the LCR are), and there are balanced outputs which can still maintain a low noise connection (the same as the current XMC-1 that is balanced LR) 3-Lots of discussion in the Dolby Atmos threads you probably need to read up on that. |
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Post by krobar on Sept 29, 2018 8:34:28 GMT -5
This looks like an almost perfect spec for my usage; congrats Emo on designing a forward looking product (And I'm one of those legacy flagship AVP-A1 owners).
Out of interest why do Emo still bother with the tuner? At least here in Europe most people use internet radio or DAB and a legacy FM tuner is just a source of noise in my opinion.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 29, 2018 10:11:30 GMT -5
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Post by aswiss on Sept 29, 2018 18:59:37 GMT -5
Here in Switzerland, the Shut down of UKW will start End of 2019 - and will be finished 2024.
But I already have an external DAB+ Radio attached to my current AVR. Not really a need for this.
But from my point of view, EMO could leave it away in a processor - as in a Homecinema I would never listen to radio.
In Germany, they blocked the shutdown of UKW - and in other EU Countries like France - DAB+ doesn't even exist.
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Post by Bonzo on Sept 29, 2018 19:49:31 GMT -5
Maybe, but the number is less than half. I get tired of people acting like the inputs / outputs I want aren't state of the art, but having an old school radio tuner is totally rock on worth it and state of the art. Give me a break. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 30, 2018 1:23:11 GMT -5
Maybe, but the number is less than half. I get tired of people acting like the inputs / outputs I want aren't state of the art, but having an old school radio tuner is totally rock on worth it and state of the art. Give me a break. Between the inputs poll and the tuner poll roughly 30 to 40% of XMC-1 owners use the FM tuner, whereas only about 10% use the 7.1 inputs; actually more people say they can’t live without an FM tuner than even use 7.1 inputs. That horse is getting afully tall. |
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Post by cwt on Sept 30, 2018 3:07:05 GMT -5
Something that's not a priority for Emo ; it just happens to come on the SOC so goes in ; not a big cost item as has been said.. Explains why a sherbourne pt7030 - an older vintage - doesn't have one but gets inputs for one and an XMC1 does have one . If it was a considered decision we would have dab+ tuners instead ; where things are headed .
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