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Post by rbk123 on Apr 5, 2018 9:09:14 GMT -5
Obviously, don’t bogart that fatty,  . Ahhh, now that is a retro line to be treasured. You are a good man. |
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Post by Metaldude on Apr 5, 2018 9:11:47 GMT -5
He he he , Oh man, imagine what my RF 7II's would be like , I mean before they levelled my block that is , hell yeah... They would hear Metal on Mars, he he he, Marvin the Martian head bangin'  |
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Post by rbk123 on Apr 5, 2018 9:16:16 GMT -5
After giving it some thought last night I figured out how to make a super high current version of the DR-1 that would drive even the most demanding electrostatic speakers and a super high power DR-1 that would most likely be in the neighborhood of 1800 watts @ 8 and right at 3K into 4ohms. Price it high enough that you only need to sell a few every so often, there will always be buyers that have to have the biggest/largest/loudest/best. What you'll get back in press coverage and word of mouth/street/buzz would cost you substantially more if you paid for it via traditional marketing campaigns. There are a lot of indirect revenue benefits for doing something like this and if it's easy enough, you should move forward even if the number of buyers are low. Although I have no interest in getting such an amp, I believe it would be good business to produce one. Maybe limited runs even. |
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Post by tchaik on Apr 5, 2018 9:22:23 GMT -5
if you add on the face plate that matches the XPR series, charge a little extra, or add meters, i could be tempted to add them to my pile of amps, the XPR-2 and XPR 5. i always wanted mono blocks but didn't move on them when i had the chance with the XPR-1's. if i recall, they were 1000 watts at 8 ohms and 1750 at 4 ohms. now lonnie is talking about 1800 at 8 ohms with 3000 at 4 ohms.... OMG...... i want to move into retirement with more power than the rest of my peers......  tchaik............. |
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Post by geeqner on Apr 5, 2018 9:39:54 GMT -5
Call it the "Tim Taylor" model (MORE Power!)
Nice idea - but WAY More than I'll ever need
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Post by Lonnie on Apr 5, 2018 9:43:56 GMT -5
I'm all about over building things and more power.  It can never be to tough or have to much power IMHO. Lonnie |
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Post by garbulky on Apr 5, 2018 9:48:47 GMT -5
I would be interested if you made it have class A 60-120 watts. That would make it a great idea. But $2500 is too much for me. I could handle $1500-1800. The extra wattage isn't of a lot of interest to me.
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Post by sahmen on Apr 5, 2018 9:53:18 GMT -5
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Post by Lsc on Apr 5, 2018 10:21:57 GMT -5
I think there is a market for those amps but among existing Emotiva owners, it’s probably <5%.
Perhaps former XPR-1 buyers would be interested but now the price of entry is $1000+ higher. But I’d guess the market for these amps would be former XPR-1 owners or new customers who probably won’t buy anything else Emotiva besides the RMC-1 (at least for their primary system).
Would I buy it? No because one I cannot afford them and two even if I could, I’d spend the money to replace my Revel F208 vs these amps to replace my XPR-2. Unless Emotiva owners have some really high end speakers and it appears that most may not, these amps won’t help them (not significantly enough to justify the cost).
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Post by Casey Leedom on Apr 5, 2018 11:41:54 GMT -5
I definitely appreciate the urge for Bigger — heck, I think that’s part of the Male Psyche — but my personal desire is for the best sounding amplifiers possible. I was surprised when I put together some Hypex NC400 monoblock kits and A. discovered that there was a difference (I had always though that any well-designed/built solid state amplifier should sound like any other), and B. thought they had better Bass Control than my Emotiva MPS-1 (which I love and has been the best amplifier I’ve ever known). I’m contemplating the new XPA-DR3 for my front three Legacy Audio channels solely on the basis that they may offer better sound, not for the extra power. So I’m eagerly awaiting reviews on them! But, as The Sundance Kid said, “You just keep thinking Butch, thats what your good at". :-) Casey |
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Post by knucklehead on Apr 5, 2018 12:45:00 GMT -5
Dan, I'm still waiting for you to build that awesome integrated amp that I'd be interested in. The one with an XSP-1 on the preamp side, an XPA-200 amp or similar for power, an XDA or DC DAC to handle digital content, and of course, the obligatory HT bypass function. Something like the Yamaha integrated I currently have, with a DC-1 handling the digital stuff. At the risk of derailing a MONOBLOCK thread, why the hell would anyone want an integrated when digital technology changes every other day? I just can't see the joy in throwing out a perfectly good pre amp and power amp just because the DAC in the same box is out of date, superseded, not of any use. Stereo pre amps and power amps last a long time, decades even, why bundle them together with something that might last 3 -4 years at best, makes no sense.  Now you really are out there Cheers Gary A DAC out of date? DACs are like speakers, they either sound good or they don't. Yeah - I suppose after so much use they start sounding crappy? And when did you ever care about derailing a thread? |
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Post by Gary Cook on Apr 5, 2018 15:38:52 GMT -5
A DAC out of date? DACs are like speakers, they either sound good or they don't. Yeah - I suppose after so much use they start sounding crappy? I did say "out of date" not "worn out". To me a decent DAC has to have all of the input sources toslink, digital coax, USB, HDMI, etc. and handle all of the data transfer formats that go with them. DAC's get out of date when they no longer handle the latest input source, higher bit rate, frequency, HDMI and HDCP standard, computer software etc. As we all know HDMI, HDCP standards are ever changing and computer software and USB outputs are almost as bad. Personally I wouldn't want to pay for an integrated today and then find that next week, month, year the DAC bit won't handle what I want to to send to it. Much easier to change a stand alone DAC and keep the good (and separate) pre amp and power amp. Cheers Gary |
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Post by audiobill on Apr 5, 2018 17:37:13 GMT -5
Tasteless overkill, IMO.
Will it smell up my listening room?
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Post by knucklehead on Apr 5, 2018 17:37:53 GMT -5
I'm getting to the point where I want as much of the electronics as possible inside one box. To me that means less cabling - less black boxes in the audio rack - and a few less remotes. I'd like to see Yamaha take their higher end integrated amps and install a decent DAC in them. Since I needed a DAC I chose the DC-1 - it's smaller than the XDA-1/2 DACs. For how I use my system an internal DAC would work fine for me. Since most premium integrated amps don't offer a DAC I have one more little black box - with the cabling that comes with it.
I've been interested in seeing what Emotiva could do with an integrated amp for a very long time. 10 years or more. I suppose it's going to be a long wait.
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Post by garbulky on Apr 5, 2018 17:54:10 GMT -5
They have an integrated amp right now
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Post by jra on Apr 5, 2018 18:02:38 GMT -5
After giving it some thought last night I figured out how to make a super high current version of the DR-1 that would drive even the most demanding electrostatic speakers and a super high power DR-1 that would most likely be in the neighborhood of 1800 watts @ 8 and right at 3K into 4ohms. Of course these figures are just on paper at the moment, but I believe them to be very close to reality once it is built. If we use a variant of our switching power supply we can keep the weight down and get better performance and specs then the old traditional torroid transformer. So the estimated weight would be roughly 45#. Both new models would be the exact same physical size as our current XPA amplifiers, so no issues with rack mounting. With the switching power supply you will be able to get full power from either 110 or 220V, so no need for special circuits in your house. A meter is not our of the question here. Dan found the best maker and I have a really trick way to light it up. Just thought I would add a little more detail. Lonnie I have to admit I would probably end up upgrading my existing XPA-1's to these if you built them :-). Especially if they have a meter :-). But not this year. |
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Post by leonski on Apr 5, 2018 18:19:03 GMT -5
After giving it some thought last night I figured out how to make a super high current version of the DR-1 that would drive even the most demanding electrostatic speakers and a super high power DR-1 that would most likely be in the neighborhood of 1800 watts @ 8 and right at 3K into 4ohms. Of course these figures are just on paper at the moment, but I believe them to be very close to reality once it is built. If we use a variant of our switching power supply we can keep the weight down and get better performance and specs then the old traditional torroid transformer. So the estimated weight would be roughly 45#. Both new models would be the exact same physical size as our current XPA amplifiers, so no issues with rack mounting. With the switching power supply you will be able to get full power from either 110 or 220V, so no need for special circuits in your house. A meter is not our of the question here. Dan found the best maker and I have a really trick way to light it up. Just thought I would add a little more detail. Lonnie 45lb is WAY too light. make it it High Bias design, with the low voltager rail being ALL CLASS 'A'. Weight would than rise to about 1lb per watt or maybe 60lb. I also suggest a meter compromise. Since they are HUGELY inaccurate, for power purposes, they are of NO value added. Instead? There is a front panel LED. It is OFF normally, indicting Class 'A' operation. As light begins to 'flicker' this indicates transition to A/B while solid on is heavily into A/B. Or make it always ON with the 'flicker' being transition to A/B. Works either way. The OTHER way to a meter would be ALA Pass where the meter is used to indicate BIAS. The meter doesn't move until transition to A/B. Good use for an analogue meter. Might want to consult Pass for any potential Patent Infringement possible using that circuit. |
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Post by thorcorps on Apr 5, 2018 19:10:25 GMT -5
I would simply vote for best sound and bullet-proof at around 500 watts into 8 ohms. I bought XPR-1's because I wanted the best sound Emotiva could make, and they simply happen to be 1000 watts (I do have a big room, so it's useful).
I don't mind more wattage, but at that potential price, I think I would do more experimentation with DACs and preamps first.
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Post by gsand on Apr 6, 2018 6:48:12 GMT -5
Call me crazy, but not if it’s built on your current platform, I’d want level meters like the xpa-1 or xpr +1 on level meters. My biggest disappointment in going from my XPA-2 to the DR-2 is when I lost my level meters. If it has meters, count me in. |
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Post by klinemj on Apr 6, 2018 8:10:36 GMT -5
Maybe they can make the meters based on tubes that get brighter and dimmer and the power varies.  Mark |
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