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Post by pedrocols on Apr 6, 2018 8:40:29 GMT -5
Based on the poll it seems that most are not so thrill about it.
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Post by ludi on Apr 6, 2018 9:05:29 GMT -5
After giving it some thought last night I figured out how to make a super high current version of the DR-1 that would drive even the most demanding electrostatic speakers and a super high power DR-1 that would most likely be in the neighborhood of 1800 watts @ 8 and right at 3K into 4ohms. Of course these figures are just on paper at the moment, but I believe them to be very close to reality once it is built. If we use a variant of our switching power supply we can keep the weight down and get better performance and specs then the old traditional torroid transformer. So the estimated weight would be roughly 45#. Both new models would be the exact same physical size as our current XPA amplifiers, so no issues with rack mounting. With the switching power supply you will be able to get full power from either 110 or 220V, so no need for special circuits in your house. A meter is not our of the question here. Dan found the best maker and I have a really trick way to light it up. Just thought I would add a little more detail. Lonnie When I hear 3000 watt my first thought was something like this: Delonghi Oil Heater, 12 Fins, 3000 Watt:  ... then two for stereo |
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Post by garbulky on Apr 6, 2018 9:17:08 GMT -5
For $4800 I would be able to get 4 XPA-1 gen 2 monoblocks in bi amp mode.
Both will cost me about the same.
XPA-1
Pro: 120 watts class A. Same power output of 1200 watts. Bi amp capabilities. Four separate 1200 KVA power supplies giving you 4800 kva of power supply in stereo! Tried and tested design that's been out now for a long time alongside its predecessor the gen 1.
Cons: These are FOUR large chassis. Lots of power consumption and heat dissipation here. Estimated near 1200 watts of idle power consumption. Huge weight: 292 lbs.
SDR:
Pro: Two chassis. Same power output in 8 ohms. Only 90 lbs for both. No worries about power consumption and heat. One 3.2 kva (or more) power supply x2 giving you a ridiculous 6.6 kva of power supply.
Cons: NO class A. $200 more pricey. No bi amp. Longevity? Service if they stop producing these or the PS company stops making 3.2 kva switching supplies?
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Post by brutiarti on Apr 6, 2018 10:14:02 GMT -5
No toroidal no sale
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Post by rbk123 on Apr 6, 2018 10:37:50 GMT -5
They don't have to have an overwhelming board majority for it to be successful for them. Plus this board is quite frugal and embraces the older less-expensive Emo approach, vs. their newer high-end flagship high dollar approach.
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Post by chicagorspec on Apr 6, 2018 11:01:10 GMT -5
+1 on level meters. My biggest disappointment in going from my XPA-2 to the DR-2 is when I lost my level meters. If it has meters, count me in. I didn’t see that coming. |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Apr 6, 2018 11:29:07 GMT -5
How about audible meters where the music gets louder if the amplifier is delivering more power?
Casey
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Post by novisnick on Apr 6, 2018 11:36:17 GMT -5
If it has meters, count me in. I didn’t see that coming. Another cost cutter! |
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Post by pedrocols on Apr 6, 2018 11:55:39 GMT -5
They don't have to have an overwhelming board majority for it to be successful for them. Plus this board is quite frugal and embraces the older less-expensive Emo approach, vs. their newer high-end flagship high dollar approach. But isn't Emotiva about spending little money and get a lot? Let's face it, Emotiva customers either can't afford any other gear or are too cheap to buy expensive amps. Me? Neither as I do not currently own any Emotiva product. |
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Post by chicagorspec on Apr 6, 2018 11:56:43 GMT -5
^^ No clue what that means, Nick, but whatever.
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Post by jcz06 on Apr 6, 2018 12:05:48 GMT -5
They don't have to have an overwhelming board majority for it to be successful for them. Plus this board is quite frugal and embraces the older less-expensive Emo approach, vs. their newer high-end flagship high dollar approach. But isn't Emotiva about spending little money and get a lot? Let's face it, Emotiva customers either can't afford any other gear or are too cheap to buy expensive amps. Me? Neither as I do not currently own any Emotiva product. I can afford more expensive amps and have owned more expensive amps.....but for the money, Emotiva delivers great SQ for a fair price.... I went from P-series Anthem Amps(P2 and P5) to XPR amps.....easy switch and they sounded much better.... |
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Post by pedrocols on Apr 6, 2018 12:52:32 GMT -5
But isn't Emotiva about spending little money and get a lot? Let's face it, Emotiva customers either can't afford any other gear or are too cheap to buy expensive amps. Me? Neither as I do not currently own any Emotiva product. I can afford more expensive amps and have owned more expensive amps.....but for the money, Emotiva delivers great SQ for a fair price.... I went from P-series Anthem Amps(P2 and P5) to XPR amps.....easy switch and they sounded much better.... Exactly. You can afford but you rather not. It sounds kind of what I just said. |
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Post by novisnick on Apr 6, 2018 12:59:49 GMT -5
I didn’t see that coming. Another cost cutter! Clarification, By not having meters in the new generation of amps Emotiva has further reduced the cost to manufacture them. |
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Post by ampzilla on Apr 6, 2018 13:13:51 GMT -5
Hi Lonnie, OH HELL YES!! Sign me up for (4) of these. I would consider giving a body part (no, not that one) for such an amplifier. This is what I would like to see in such a product; Forget about pricing it to compare it with McIntosh products. How about under $2k? You can do it! A UBER version of the new switching supply. Meters are a MUST for this product, what are your specific thoughts for "trick lighting"? I would like to see a "retro" design (green / yellow / red) and true peak precision , the option of (dot / bar) and peak hold display. Perhaps the display could be arranged in a arc like the old BGW amplifiers? A massive output stage with On semiconductor Thermal-Trak transistors. A dual differential input stage (JFETS anyone)? A reverse amplifier emitter follower voltage gain stage with plenty of current driving capacity for the output stage. Bring back the option of Class A for lower power. I am including a hyper to an amplifier article by Dr. David Rich that describes balanced topology for any readers interested. hometheaterhifi.com/technical/technical-reviews/the-fully-balanced-power-amplifier-advantages-and-design-challenges/Any idea of when such a product would be in production? It would probably be a real winner, possibly a "classic" design? Just my 2c worth. Ampzilla |
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Post by KeithL on Apr 6, 2018 13:15:11 GMT -5
I will pop in with my two cents on that statement.  Saying "too cheap" always seems to carry the connotation that "there's something better, and more expensive, that you have chosen not to spend the extra money on". (And, yes, SOMETIMES that turns out to be the case.) HOWEVER, sometimes it's more a matter of examining the options, and deciding that the more expensive option REALLY ISN'T BETTER. And, if that's the case, it's not so much a matter of "being too cheap" but simply of "choosing not to throw away extra money that isn't actually buying you anything in return". Sometimes the expensive option gives you other real benefits that just don't directly improve sound quality; but, sometimes, it doesn't actually buy you anything at all except a thinner wallet. (Sadly, this option is the case far more often than we'd like to think when we're talking about "high end audiophile equipment".) So, sometimes, the more expensive amplifier just plain isn't WORTH buying...... Personally, I've heard plenty of very expensive pieces of equipment that actually just plain don't sound good at all.... and many more that sound fine, but don't sound any better than our Emotiva gear. And, no I can't imagine why anybody would be dumb enough to buy that expensive equipment..... whether they can afford it or not. They don't have to have an overwhelming board majority for it to be successful for them. Plus this board is quite frugal and embraces the older less-expensive Emo approach, vs. their newer high-end flagship high dollar approach. But isn't Emotiva about spending little money and get a lot? Let's face it, Emotiva customers either can't afford any other gear or are too cheap to buy expensive amps. Me? Neither as I do not currently own any Emotiva product. |
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Post by leonski on Apr 6, 2018 13:27:28 GMT -5
For $4800 I would be able to get 4 XPA-1 gen 2 monoblocks in bi amp mode. Both will cost me about the same. XPA-1 Pro: 120 watts class A. Same power output of 1200 watts. Bi amp capabilities. Four separate 1200 KVA power supplies giving you 4800 kva of power supply in stereo! Tried and tested design that's been out now for a long time alongside its predecessor the gen 1. Cons: These are FOUR large chassis. Lots of power consumption and heat dissipation here. Estimated near 1200 watts of idle power consumption. Huge weight: 292 lbs. SDR: Pro: Two chassis. Same power output in 8 ohms. Only 90 lbs for both. No worries about power consumption and heat. One 3.2 kva (or more) power supply x2 giving you a ridiculous 6.6 kva of power supply. Cons: NO class A. $200 more pricey. No bi amp. Longevity? Service if they stop producing these or the PS company stops making 3.2 kva switching supplies? don't forget that for a QUAD of the XPA-1 to run anywhere NEAR the mythical capacity, you'll need a PAIR of dedicated circuits. 15amp MIGHT work but 20amp would be more like it. At 500$ PLUS to your proposed expenses. |
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Post by garbulky on Apr 6, 2018 14:04:29 GMT -5
For $4800 I would be able to get 4 XPA-1 gen 2 monoblocks in bi amp mode. Both will cost me about the same. XPA-1 Pro: 120 watts class A. Same power output of 1200 watts. Bi amp capabilities. Four separate 1200 KVA power supplies giving you 4800 kva of power supply in stereo! Tried and tested design that's been out now for a long time alongside its predecessor the gen 1. Cons: These are FOUR large chassis. Lots of power consumption and heat dissipation here. Estimated near 1200 watts of idle power consumption. Huge weight: 292 lbs. SDR: Pro: Two chassis. Same power output in 8 ohms. Only 90 lbs for both. No worries about power consumption and heat. One 3.2 kva (or more) power supply x2 giving you a ridiculous 6.6 kva of power supply. Cons: NO class A. $200 more pricey. No bi amp. Longevity? Service if they stop producing these or the PS company stops making 3.2 kva switching supplies? don't forget that for a QUAD of the XPA-1 to run anywhere NEAR the mythical capacity, you'll need a PAIR of dedicated circuits. 15amp MIGHT work but 20amp would be more like it. At 500$ PLUS to your proposed expenses. Correct - if you don't have them already. Same applies to the other amp too. For me, I've run out of circuits, so I would need to put one in, likely two so I can run dual subs! |
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Post by pedrocols on Apr 6, 2018 14:04:41 GMT -5
I will pop in with my two cents on that statement. Saying "too cheap" always seems to carry the connotation that "there's something better, and more expensive, that you have chosen not to spend the extra money on". (And, yes, SOMETIMES that turns out to be the case.) HOWEVER, sometimes it's more a matter of examining the options, and deciding that the more expensive option REALLY ISN'T BETTER. And, if that's the case, it's not so much a matter of "being too cheap" but simply of "choosing not to throw away extra money that isn't actually buying you anything in return". Sometimes the expensive option gives you other real benefits that just don't directly improve sound quality; but, sometimes, it doesn't actually buy you anything at all except a thinner wallet. (Sadly, this option is the case far more often than we'd like to think when we're talking about "high end audiophile equipment".) So, sometimes, the more expensive amplifier just plain isn't WORTH buying...... Personally, I've heard plenty of very expensive pieces of equipment that actually just plain don't sound good at all.... and many more that sound fine, but don't sound any better than our Emotiva gear. And, no I can't imagine why anybody would be dumb enough to buy that expensive equipment..... whether they can afford it or not. But isn't Emotiva about spending little money and get a lot? Let's face it, Emotiva customers either can't afford any other gear or are too cheap to buy expensive amps. Me? Neither as I do not currently own any Emotiva product. I do share your sentiement Keith. I personally preferred the UPA-500 over the previous Acurus, Rotel and Adcom amps I had. However, there are always going to be people that will argue more expensive amps are better and yes there are a lot of people that buy more expensive amps even if they "sound" worse. |
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Post by entilzha on Apr 6, 2018 14:24:26 GMT -5
If I'm being silly with my Legacy Focus towers, I can drive my XPA-1s into protect mode. So, I'm kinda interested in this.  |
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Post by Loop 7 on Apr 6, 2018 14:36:57 GMT -5
If Emotiva is going to make a new, extremely powerful amplifier, why not set a record? I found this image with some attached info stating these blocks weighed over 500 lbs each? Does that make sense? Are they Krell?  |
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